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xjwforever

Lancaster, VA

#1 May 30, 2010
I just can't take it anymore. I have to put this scenario out there and see what people think of it.

I have a sister who is a JW. She is morbidly obese and has never held a job, never married, never moved out of my parents home and never become a productive member of society. She is 44 years old.

Just to clarify something, we were all born into the JW religion, 7 of us kids, she is the only one remaining a JW. My dad never did accept it, but my mom was baptised and we all were raised as JW's.

Anyway, my sister who has remained a JW has recently flipped out.

My step-father (who was an inactive JW) died 2 years ago, leaving my mom and sister in a bad place financially, so my mom has started to receive food from a local food bank. The last time the people came to drop it off (which is so nice in my opinion), the man said "God bless you". He was a pastor. He never tried to get them to go to his church or anything like that, he just said God bless you.

My sister totally flipped out, saying that she would no longer call to get the delivery scheduled or be available to accept the food when they come to drop it off. She said it bothers her conscience.

She will, however, EAT the food. What is up with that?????

I think it is deplorable that my mom is struggling to take care of my sis and she is so totally rude and disrespectful, but will still take the help. It makes me sick.

There is a whole lot more to the story, but this situation pretty much sums up her attitude. It makes me so mad at her.

Is this the current attitude of the JW's? Take all you can while putting on a "better than thou" attitude?
JJJ

Australia

#2 May 30, 2010
JWs are very hypocritcal but in most cases it is not itentional because as Don Cameron has coined it.... they are captives of a concept.

You see as long as they in their own minds remain loyal to the WTBTS....then all other short comings are excused.

You see they believe as god's chosen people the normal rules do not apply to them. When presented with evidence of the WTBTS's wrong doing they deflect it stating 'what abut other religions' as if this some how excuses them......

The WTBTS organisation itslef is hypocritical as evidenced by the UN dbacle, the generation teaching just to mention a couple......why would we expect its members to be any different?

Once again though..... for the most part they do not see the hypocrisy for they are under the infleunce a very high control religion.
xjwforever

Lancaster, VA

#3 May 30, 2010
JJJ wrote:
JWs are very hypocritcal but in most cases it is not itentional because as Don Cameron has coined it.... they are captives of a concept.
You see as long as they in their own minds remain loyal to the WTBTS....then all other short comings are excused.
You see they believe as god's chosen people the normal rules do not apply to them. When presented with evidence of the WTBTS's wrong doing they deflect it stating 'what abut other religions' as if this some how excuses them......
The WTBTS organisation itslef is hypocritical as evidenced by the UN dbacle, the generation teaching just to mention a couple......why would we expect its members to be any different?
Once again though..... for the most part they do not see the hypocrisy for they are under the infleunce a very high control religion.
I see your point. It's just difficult to excuse her behavior because we all grew up as JW's yet she is the only one who acts like that.

I just think that we all make choices, and her's are messed up. She's using her religion to not take responsibility for her life. Are the JW's teaching people to do that these days?
aadriver

Biggleswade, UK

#4 May 31, 2010
It's true that JWs do not mean to be hypocrites, it's just that the religion works that way starting with the governing body.
One obvious subject is the fact thay are quite happy to celebrate wedding anniversaries but not birthdays. There is no sensable reason for this. They use the excuse that someone died at a birthday celebration in the bible, therefor they say that it must be wrong to celebrate it. The bible also shows dogs in a very bad light in the bible, but does that stop witnesses from having dogs. Of course not. Total hypocrisy.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#5 May 31, 2010
aadriver wrote:
It's true that JWs do not mean to be hypocrites, it's just that the religion works that way starting with the governing body.
And the hypocrisy trickles on down with some of the worst offenders at the top of the Watchtower hierarchy.

Here is just one example of the hypocrisy and irreverence found at the top:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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James

Maidstone, UK

#6 May 31, 2010
Do you mean you're going to stereotype a whole religion because of what one person said or did?

You wouldn't do that about a race of people (e.g. black) so why should you do it about a religious community?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#7 May 31, 2010
James wrote:
Do you mean you're going to stereotype a whole religion because of what one person said or did?
You wouldn't do that about a race of people (e.g. black) so why should you do it about a religious community?
I agree. All religions have all sorts of people. Some have more sense than others. You can't judge the whole organization because of what one member does.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#8 May 31, 2010
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>

Here is just one example of the hypocrisy and irreverence found at the top:

..
I don't get it. Are you saying that Gareth is "at the top" of the 'Watchtower hierarchy'?
xjwforever

United States

#10 May 31, 2010
James wrote:
Do you mean you're going to stereotype a whole religion because of what one person said or did?
You wouldn't do that about a race of people (e.g. black) so why should you do it about a religious community?
How is it stereotyping to ask a question. The JW's have all sorts of wacky teachings that change periodically. I was wondering if this was something they teach now.

I know my sis went and had a talk with some elders in her hall and they told her it was a conscience matter. To me that is giving her the ability to be a hypocrite.

How can it bother her conscience to call to arrange the food to be delivered and wrong to be available to take delivery of the food once it arrives but not wrong to eat it? Either the whole situation bothers her conscience or it does not.

Again, is this something the JW's are teaching now? To just pick and choose what is right or wrong at any given time depending on how it bothers your conscience?
xjwforever

United States

#11 May 31, 2010
Harry D wrote:
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I agree. All religions have all sorts of people. Some have more sense than others. You can't judge the whole organization because of what one member does.
You can judge the whole organization on what it teaches it's members though, can't you?
WIZARD

Maryville, TN

#12 May 31, 2010
xjwforever wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it stereotyping to ask a question. The JW's have all sorts of wacky teachings that change periodically. I was wondering if this was something they teach now.
I know my sis went and had a talk with some elders in her hall and they told her it was a conscience matter. To me that is giving her the ability to be a hypocrite.
How can it bother her conscience to call to arrange the food to be delivered and wrong to be available to take delivery of the food once it arrives but not wrong to eat it? Either the whole situation bothers her conscience or it does not.
Again, is this something the JW's are teaching now? To just pick and choose what is right or wrong at any given time depending on how it bothers your conscience?
They can't help it.

They are all under the influence of the Watchtower's "we be the only true Christians" pill and it's hard to break that addiction.

Just think, everyime they show up at the kingdom hall all they hear is how Jehovah has approved the organization and Jesus appointed the Governing Body to represent Him as the faithful and discreet slave and they are all so special to be able to hang onto the skirts of the slave and be approved.

It's very addicting to the psyche for them to have that drivel pounded into their skulls for years and years.
jace

Clinton, MD

#13 May 31, 2010
James wrote:
Do you mean you're going to stereotype a whole religion because of what one person said or did?
You wouldn't do that about a race of people (e.g. black) so why should you do it about a religious community?
sad to say WT does it all the time--

This is an example of jw view of NONJW

“On Satan’s side [at Armageddon] will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent”…-- Wt 10/15/58.

and Why are they on Satan's side?????? simply because they do not accept the WT Editorial staff explanation of SCRIPTURE

and tell me that ain't cool when a group of dudes located in Patterson NY can write something up in a book they printed themselves offering their explanation of scripture and just because you say

NAw i don;t agreee with that uninspired human viewpoint you presented, YOU NOW MUST DIE!!!!!!!
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#14 May 31, 2010
Harry D wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't get it. Are you saying that Gareth is "at the top" of the 'Watchtower hierarchy'?
Gareth ha siad for years that he is a JW 'Bible Study' but this particular 'Bible Stduy' knows more aboutb organizational procedures than the JW's on here like Nomi who was 'raised in the truth' and has been a JW most of her 70 years.

Go figure.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#15 May 31, 2010
First off...Noone is "born" a JW. You become one. I grew up as a JW, and only my sister next to me, out of 5 siblings, became JW's. I would suggest that your sister is being a bit too sensitive. Its not uncommon for people to say "God Bless you"...for some, its just a polite statement...no more than saying "Hello". They are just trying to be nice...no harm in that. My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with accepting the Food, as a good gesture, and leave it at that. As for being hypocrites...I'd say you might find some who might be a bit "eccentric", or something like that...BUT I don't think they would qualify as hypocrites.
xjwforever wrote:
I just can't take it anymore. I have to put this scenario out there and see what people think of it.
I have a sister who is a JW. She is morbidly obese and has never held a job, never married, never moved out of my parents home and never become a productive member of society. She is 44 years old.
Just to clarify something, we were all born into the JW religion, 7 of us kids, she is the only one remaining a JW. My dad never did accept it, but my mom was baptised and we all were raised as JW's.
Anyway, my sister who has remained a JW has recently flipped out.
My step-father (who was an inactive JW) died 2 years ago, leaving my mom and sister in a bad place financially, so my mom has started to receive food from a local food bank. The last time the people came to drop it off (which is so nice in my opinion), the man said "God bless you". He was a pastor. He never tried to get them to go to his church or anything like that, he just said God bless you.
My sister totally flipped out, saying that she would no longer call to get the delivery scheduled or be available to accept the food when they come to drop it off. She said it bothers her conscience.
She will, however, EAT the food. What is up with that?????
I think it is deplorable that my mom is struggling to take care of my sis and she is so totally rude and disrespectful, but will still take the help. It makes me sick.
There is a whole lot more to the story, but this situation pretty much sums up her attitude. It makes me so mad at her.
Is this the current attitude of the JW's? Take all you can while putting on a "better than thou" attitude?
street tough

Bolingbrook, IL

#16 May 31, 2010
Hey , Does the pope shit in the woods?

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#17 May 31, 2010
Nomi wrote:
First off...Noone is "born" a JW. You become one. I grew up as a JW, and only my sister next to me, out of 5 siblings, became JW's. I would suggest that your sister is being a bit too sensitive. Its not uncommon for people to say "God Bless you"...for some, its just a polite statement...no more than saying "Hello". They are just trying to be nice...no harm in that. My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with accepting the Food, as a good gesture, and leave it at that. As for being hypocrites...I'd say you might find some who might be a bit "eccentric", or something like that...BUT I don't think they would qualify as hypocrites.
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If you are not born a JW why is it okay for your parents to refuse you a blood transfusion if you need it? Why is it that people BORN into this religion don't get to celebrate holidays or do anything if they are not BORN jws? You are too BORN a jw because you have to live the lifestyle of a jw with no question. Just like people are born catholics, protestants, and jewish

Since: Mar 09

United States

#18 May 31, 2010
That is only because until you are an adult...they are supposed to make decisions for you. People become a certain religion when they are able to make their own decisions, and are Baptized. People are not born any relgions...altho you may be raised around it, and since your parents practice it, you would likely live according to that religious style. Is a person born a Democrat, or Republican, in a political sense? I don't think so. You become one when you are old enough to understand what it is about.
justmesweetie wrote:
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If you are not born a JW why is it okay for your parents to refuse you a blood transfusion if you need it? Why is it that people BORN into this religion don't get to celebrate holidays or do anything if they are not BORN jws? You are too BORN a jw because you have to live the lifestyle of a jw with no question. Just like people are born catholics, protestants, and jewish
xjwforever

United States

#19 May 31, 2010
Nomi wrote:
First off...Noone is "born" a JW. You become one. I grew up as a JW, and only my sister next to me, out of 5 siblings, became JW's. I would suggest that your sister is being a bit too sensitive. Its not uncommon for people to say "God Bless you"...for some, its just a polite statement...no more than saying "Hello". They are just trying to be nice...no harm in that. My opinion is that there is nothing wrong with accepting the Food, as a good gesture, and leave it at that. As for being hypocrites...I'd say you might find some who might be a bit "eccentric", or something like that...BUT I don't think they would qualify as hypocrites.
<quoted text>
Hello Nomi,

I must disagree with you. We were most certianly born in to the JW religion. There was never even a chance that we could choose to be anything else as children. We were forced to live by JW beliefs, I'd ay that made us JW's.

I was pressured by my mom and several elders to get baptized at the age of 12, clearly not the age of reason, sorry.

My mom was pressured by the elders to talk me into it and she did it. She was terrified that something would happen to us before we got baptized. She eventually came to understand that you can't force someone to believe something against their will, and when that happened, she left the JW's herself. But by that time most of us were baptized, and it wasn't because we made the choice as an adult, it was because we were kids and easily misguided by (probably) well meaning adults.

I still feel guilt that I made such a commitment and then didn't follow through, but the fact is that I don't believe what JW's teach and I can't live a lie either. Tough choice, right?

As far as the issue with the food goes, my sis refused to call to get the food or be there to pick it up because someone from a church said God bless you, but she had no problem eating the food, how is that not being a hypocrite?
xjwforever

United States

#20 May 31, 2010
Nomi wrote:
That is only because until you are an adult...they are supposed to make decisions for you. People become a certain religion when they are able to make their own decisions, and are Baptized. People are not born any relgions...altho you may be raised around it, and since your parents practice it, you would likely live according to that religious style. Is a person born a Democrat, or Republican, in a political sense? I don't think so. You become one when you are old enough to understand what it is about.
<quoted text>
The JW religion is not one that allows for being raised "around" it. You have to tow the line or your parents are marked as bad association and so are you.

I went to middle school with an elders daughter and believe me, she made sure that her daddy knew it if any of us tried to have worldly friends or if we had any crushes on worldly boys, or tried to participate in any school sports or even the debate team. And, by the way, this was the same girl who was secretly having sex with a JW boy in her freshman year in high school. When the rumors started flying around about that, there were several talks given about gossiping and how terrible it was. Nothing was ever done to her.

Can anyone say hypocrite?

My mom and step-dad were in elders meetings all the time trying to explain why their children were a poor example as JW's, believe me it's like living in Nazi Germany to go to school with an elders kid.

Seems to me that if you have to live a certian way, it defines you. We would never have dreamed of saluting the flag or celebrating holidays or birthdays or any of that stuff. We had to walk the walk, that made us JW's, like it or not.
xjwforever

United States

#21 May 31, 2010
WIZARD wrote:
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They can't help it.
They are all under the influence of the Watchtower's "we be the only true Christians" pill and it's hard to break that addiction.
Just think, everyime they show up at the kingdom hall all they hear is how Jehovah has approved the organization and Jesus appointed the Governing Body to represent Him as the faithful and discreet slave and they are all so special to be able to hang onto the skirts of the slave and be approved.
It's very addicting to the psyche for them to have that drivel pounded into their skulls for years and years.
I had that same message pounded into my skull for years and years too, but it had the reverse effect on me. I can't tolerate being around people who think too much of themselves.

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