where does the governing body get its power/authority

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billy

Katy, TX

#1 Mar 20, 2014
Where does the governing body get its power/authority?
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#2 Mar 20, 2014
They give themselves the power and then brain wash their followers who are taught the GB sits in the seat of God and Jesus.
It has happened before with Jim Jones and David Koresh to mention two and we all know what happened to them. The same will happen to anyone who takes the power of God and Jesus for themselves.

Since: Jan 12

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#3 Mar 20, 2014
It comes from the mental manipulation of its members. Thats how all religion works.
jace

United States

#4 Mar 20, 2014
Arkham Bravo wrote:
It comes from the mental manipulation of its members. Thats how all religion works.
Especially when you have those on leadership roles who operate off the premise of "OBEY WHAT WE SAY AS IF GOS HIMSELF SAID IT TO YOU OR DIE"
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#5 Mar 20, 2014
Jesus said " All authority has been given me , therefore go to the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, teaching them to do all the things i have commanded'

So the 'authority' to go to the nations and do this work , comes from JESUS himself , who has the authority

When people come to us, with the gospel message , we are to be obedient to Jesus.

And they show us in scripture that the 'gospel' tells us to be ' obedient to those taking the lead'

So their authority is relative to God and he has said the ' head of every man is the Christ'

But as we learn about Christ , we may come into conflict with what Jesus is saying and what man has done, which is either added to the word, or taken from the word....

And its then that we must be awake to the fact that all authority has been given to Jesus, and no man at all, has 'all authority'

Mans authority is only based on his union with Christ...so we know as soon as he calls himself 'governing'[ to rule]

t means he now sees himself as an authority over Jesus.,,as well as Jesus sheep.
UNchained

Knoxville, TN

#6 Mar 20, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Jesus said " All authority has been given me , therefore go to the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, teaching them to do all the things i have commanded'
So the 'authority' to go to the nations and do this work , comes from JESUS himself , who has the authority
When people come to us, with the gospel message , we are to be obedient to Jesus.
And they show us in scripture that the 'gospel' tells us to be ' obedient to those taking the lead'
So their authority is relative to God and he has said the ' head of every man is the Christ'
But as we learn about Christ , we may come into conflict with what Jesus is saying and what man has done, which is either added to the word, or taken from the word....
And its then that we must be awake to the fact that all authority has been given to Jesus, and no man at all, has 'all authority'
Mans authority is only based on his union with Christ...so we know as soon as he calls himself 'governing'[ to rule]
t means he now sees himself as an authority over Jesus.,,as well as Jesus sheep.
Why do you preach the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses doctrines, carry their name and attend their kingdom halls, HYPOCRITE, SELF RIGHTEOUS PHARISEE?
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#7 Mar 20, 2014
A person who breaks a Christian necessary commandment.....thinking it comes from men , when it in fact is written and so comes from God.

has no light in them and really nothing of importance to consider.

And is no longer worth a response ...
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#8 Mar 20, 2014
All authority has been given Jesus in heaven and on earth

And because of his authority , he sends us out

To baptize people in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all his COMMANDMENTS.

So the all 'authority' belongs to Jesus.

Now the reason Jesus sends us out, is to make DISCIPLES for HIM.

Jesus tells us , that a disciple who is trained properly , will be just like his teacher

And the whole reason Jesus is teaching and disciplining us, is to be like him

And he says ' you will do the works I do even greater works'

So those Christians who preach a Jesus that is dormant and doesn't have any faith with works are liars and as we know , break his commandments willy nilly because they don't teach others to observe Jesus commandments , which are part of the great commission.

and although they practice vile wicked works they still classify themselves as a Christian..its amazing how deluded they are.
UNchained

Knoxville, TN

#9 Mar 20, 2014
little lamb wrote:
A person who breaks a Christian necessary commandment.....thinking it comes from men , when it in fact is written and so comes from God.
has no light in them and really nothing of importance to consider.
And is no longer worth a response ...
There are only 2 necessary commandments for Christians:

He said to him,“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the greatest and most important commandment.
The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:37-40

Now, are you referring to my blood transfusion?

If I was a vile person I would quote a scripture that a judgemental individual has quoted to others in the past (Matthew 7:3-5).

Instead I am going to ask you to explain Matthew 9:13 and Matthew 12:3 to the board.

Can you do it?
UNchained

Knoxville, TN

#10 Mar 20, 2014
little lamb wrote:
All authority has been given Jesus in heaven and on earth
And because of his authority , he sends us out
To baptize people in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all his COMMANDMENTS.
So the all 'authority' belongs to Jesus.
Now the reason Jesus sends us out, is to make DISCIPLES for HIM.
Jesus tells us , that a disciple who is trained properly , will be just like his teacher
And the whole reason Jesus is teaching and disciplining us, is to be like him
And he says ' you will do the works I do even greater works'
So those Christians who preach a Jesus that is dormant and doesn't have any faith with works are liars and as we know , break his commandments willy nilly because they don't teach others to observe Jesus commandments , which are part of the great commission.
and although they practice vile wicked works they still classify themselves as a Christian..its amazing how deluded they are.
There are only 2 necessary commandments for Christians:

He said to him,“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the greatest and most important commandment.
The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:37-40
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#11 Mar 20, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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There are only 2 necessary commandments for Christians:
He said to him,“Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the greatest and most important commandment.
The second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:37-40
yes but loving god with our whole heart and soul and mind , means a lot more then just saying it with your mouth

1 John 5 [2] By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God , when we are loving God and doing his commandments."

that is why we know you don't love God at all and just mouth words..because you came on this forum boasting about breaking his necessary commandment...on blood.
UNchained

Knoxville, TN

#12 Mar 20, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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yes but loving god with our whole heart and soul and mind , means a lot more then just saying it with your mouth
1 John 5 [2] By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God , when we are loving God and doing his commandments."
that is why we know you don't love God at all and just mouth words..because you came on this forum boasting about breaking his necessary commandment...on blood.
I haven't broken any commandment regarding blood...

However, you must not eat meat with its lifeblood in it.
Genesis 9:4

When did I eat meat with its lifeblood in it?

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20 “When the Lord your God enlarges your territory as He has promised you, and you say,‘I want to eat meat’ because you have a strong desire to eat meat, you may eat it whenever you want. 21 If the place where the Lord your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, you may slaughter any of your herd or flock He has given you, as I have commanded you, and you may eat it within your gates whenever you want. 22 Indeed, you may eat it as the gazelle and deer are eaten; both the clean and the unclean may eat it. 23 But don’t eat the blood, since the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat. 24 Do not eat blood; pour it on the ground like water. 25 Do not eat it, so that you and your children after you will prosper, because you will be doing what is right in the Lord’s sight.
Deuteronomy 12:20-25

Therefore, in my judgment, we should not cause difficulties for those who turn to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but instead we should write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from blood. 21 For since ancient times, Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, and he is read aloud in the synagogues every Sabbath day.”
Acts 15:19-21

When did I eat the blood of an animal?

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You have stated that you are a Jehovah's Witness many times on this board.

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that blood is an organ among many body parts that caused King David to exclaim:“O Jehovah, you have searched through me, and you know me. I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made”!

I received 2 components of an human organ, specifically human plasma and human red blood cells.

I wasn't boasting, I was relating a personal experience.
Snorkler

Johannesburg, South Africa

#13 Mar 21, 2014
dee lightful wrote:
They give themselves the power and then brain wash their followers who are taught the GB sits in the seat of God and Jesus.
It has happened before with Jim Jones and David Koresh to mention two and we all know what happened to them. The same will happen to anyone who takes the power of God and Jesus for themselves.
Would that be your Spiritual Father the Pope ? or is it your father xams ?
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#14 Mar 21, 2014
Snorkler wrote:
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Would that be your Spiritual Father the Pope ? or is it your father xams ?
My spiritual Father is the one true God of scriptures. Your god is the WTS/GB for it the org that teaches you hate of all others and are liars and false prophets.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#15 Mar 21, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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yes but loving god with our whole heart and soul and mind , means a lot more then just saying it with your mouth
1 John 5 [2] By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God , when we are loving God and doing his commandments."
that is why we know you don't love God at all and just mouth words..because you came on this forum boasting about breaking his necessary commandment...on blood.
And who are you to judge him on it?

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#16 Mar 21, 2014
billy wrote:
Where does the governing body get its power/authority?
Jehovah God through Jesus Christ with holy spirit by means of the God's infallible written word the bible.
billy

Katy, TX

#17 Mar 21, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Jesus said " All authority has been given me , therefore go to the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and the son and the holy spirit, teaching them to do all the things i have commanded'
So the 'authority' to go to the nations and do this work , comes from JESUS himself , who has the authority
When people come to us, with the gospel message , we are to be obedient to Jesus.
And they show us in scripture that the 'gospel' tells us to be ' obedient to those taking the lead'
So their authority is relative to God and he has said the ' head of every man is the Christ'
But as we learn about Christ , we may come into conflict with what Jesus is saying and what man has done, which is either added to the word, or taken from the word....
And its then that we must be awake to the fact that all authority has been given to Jesus, and no man at all, has 'all authority'
Mans authority is only based on his union with Christ...so we know as soon as he calls himself 'governing'[ to rule]
t means he now sees himself as an authority over Jesus.,,as well as Jesus sheep.
So you have to listen to anybody who claims to be speaking for God and can point out a few scriptures? Does context mean anything or is it to be ignored and just take a verbatim blind obedience? Let see now, the punishment for adultery is stoning...I recommend you don't do that.

What is the gospel message? Refuse blood transfusions?
billy

Katy, TX

#18 Mar 21, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
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Jehovah God through Jesus Christ with holy spirit by means of the God's infallible written word the bible.
OK- can you be more specific?

Because... Jehovah God through Jesus Christ with holy spirit by means of the God's infallible written word the bible also tells us to beware of false prophets.
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#19 Mar 21, 2014
billy wrote:
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So you have to listen to anybody who claims to be speaking for God and can point out a few scriptures? Does context mean anything or is it to be ignored and just take a verbatim blind obedience? Let see now, the punishment for adultery is stoning...I recommend you don't do that.
What is the gospel message? Refuse blood transfusions?
No ..scripture tells us " Test the inspired utterance and see if it comes from Hod.'

We are never to assume something comes from God without checking.

For we are under commandment ' not to trust in man,'
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#20 Mar 21, 2014
correction ....'test the inspired expression and see if it comes from GOD
[ Typing error]

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