thirdwitness thoroughly debunked

thirdwitness thoroughly debunked

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Reader

Canada

#1 Nov 2, 2008
To quote thirdwitness;

"No longer can they say anything they want about 607 being an artfully contrived story. They cannot even answer the basic prophecies such as the 40 year desolation of Egypt, the 70 years on Tyre, the 70 year desolation of Jerusalem and so on. They have been thoroughly debunked."

Is this guy out of his f'ing mind? There is not one credible archeologist who will state that the ENTIRE nation of Egypt was desolate for 40 years. There is ample proof to the exact opposite, that the Nile valley has been occupied consistently for millenia.

And his claim on the prophecy of Tyre. The bible clearly states that it would be destroyed, never to be rebuilt.(Eze; "Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.") Yet that is not the case at all. Tyre was around in the first century, being mentioned in the bible. It also is still around today.

FAILED PROPHECY!!!!

Thoroughly debunked....?

Your arguments cannot stand up to the test of scholarly review one iota. It is ridiculousness, unsurpassed.

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/prophecie...

http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/

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diogenes

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#2 Nov 2, 2008
Reader wrote:
And his claim on the prophecy of Tyre. The bible clearly states that it would be destroyed, never to be rebuilt.(Eze; "Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.") Yet that is not the case at all. Tyre was around in the first century, being mentioned in the bible. It also is still around today.
FAILED PROPHECY!!!!
Thoroughly debunked....?
Your arguments cannot stand up to the test of scholarly review one iota. It is ridiculousness, unsurpassed.
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/prophecie...
http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/
Yes I see your point.
http://www.lgic.org/en/photos2_tyre.php

“thirdwitness.com”

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#4 Nov 2, 2008
Reader wrote:
To quote thirdwitness;
"No longer can they say anything they want about 607 being an artfully contrived story. They cannot even answer the basic prophecies such as the 40 year desolation of Egypt, the 70 years on Tyre, the 70 year desolation of Jerusalem and so on. They have been thoroughly debunked."
Is this guy out of his f'ing mind? There is not one credible archeologist who will state that the ENTIRE nation of Egypt was desolate for 40 years. There is ample proof to the exact opposite, that the Nile valley has been occupied consistently for millenia.
And his claim on the prophecy of Tyre. The bible clearly states that it would be destroyed, never to be rebuilt.(Eze; "Never will you be rebuilt; for I myself, Jehovah, have spoken,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.") Yet that is not the case at all. Tyre was around in the first century, being mentioned in the bible. It also is still around today.
FAILED PROPHECY!!!!
Thoroughly debunked....?
Your arguments cannot stand up to the test of scholarly review one iota. It is ridiculousness, unsurpassed.
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/prophecie...
http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/
So Reader's answer to the 607 vs 587 debate is that the Bible prophecies failed.
Reader

Canada

#5 Nov 2, 2008
It's pretty clear, thirdwitness, but I will spell it out for you, since anything contrary to your dogmatic beliefs won't register immediately.

Ezekiel's prophecy against Tyre was very clear, it said that the city would never be rebuilt. Have a look at the google map. It seems like there something there.

You also claim to have thoroughly proven that Egypt was desolated for 40 years. That is patently false. There is not one credible archeologist, historian, Egyptologist, that would agree with you. There have never been 40 years where the entire land of Egypt was not occupied within the last several millenia.

So if there are two failed prophecies, then what is the point of the rest?

“thirdwitness.com”

Since: Aug 08

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#6 Nov 2, 2008
Reader wrote:
It's pretty clear, thirdwitness, but I will spell it out for you, since anything contrary to your dogmatic beliefs won't register immediately.
Ezekiel's prophecy against Tyre was very clear, it said that the city would never be rebuilt. Have a look at the google map. It seems like there something there.
You also claim to have thoroughly proven that Egypt was desolated for 40 years. That is patently false. There is not one credible archeologist, historian, Egyptologist, that would agree with you. There have never been 40 years where the entire land of Egypt was not occupied within the last several millenia.
So if there are two failed prophecies, then what is the point of the rest?
It is interesting that the only way Reader is able to refute 607 is to follow the path of Alan Furbach and claim that Ezekiel was a false prophet. When a person leaves God's organization their only recourse to make themselves feel justified is to deny God's word. Otherwise it is all to clear that only Jehovah's Witnesses are God's true people. Reader has finally reached that plateau.

“thirdwitness.com”

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#7 Nov 2, 2008
To see what Reader is all bent out of shape about go here:

http://thirdwitness.com/607_BCE/www.jehovahsj...
Reader

Canada

#8 Nov 2, 2008
As usual, thirdwitness, you have completely missed the point.

I am not trying to debunk your little 607 theory.

I am showing you conclusive proof that the prophecies contained in the bible were flawed. Yet you do not acknowledge that.

Let's break it down simply.

Did Ezekiel prophecy that Tyre would never be rebuilt?
What archeological evidence do you have to show that all of Egypt was destroyed for 40 years?

Although I already know the answer to both questions (yes and none), I still expect you to answer them.
Reader

Canada

#9 Nov 2, 2008
Oh, and do not characterize me as all bent out of shape. I am standing tall on solid ground.

“thirdwitness.com”

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#10 Nov 2, 2008
It is nice to see Reader admit that based on the Bible alone JWs are right about 607.

His argument has been reduced to this:

The Bible is false.

At least he admits it unlike Eta's page after page of foolishness.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

“thirdwitness.com”

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#11 Nov 2, 2008
Reader wrote:
There have never been 40 years where the entire land of Egypt was not occupied within the last several millenia.
So if there are two failed prophecies, then what is the point of the rest?
Lets start with Egypt. Since Reader brings this up then please give us the evidence you have that Egypt was not desolated for 40 years between 590 and 537?
Reader

Canada

#12 Nov 3, 2008
thirdwitness, you are obfuscating again. My argument is not about 607. Do you understand that? And my argument has not been reduced in any way.

Firstly, you completely ignore my statements regarding Tyre, because satellite images are really tough for me to fake.

Secondly, you are the one making a claim that is extraordinary. You bring some source, a reputable archeologist or Egyptologist that states that Egypt was empty for 40 years.

Thirdly, check this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-sixth_dyn...
Reader

Canada

#13 Nov 3, 2008
Here's another one for you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apries

It seems that there are fairly good records of occupation by Egyptians. The Babylonians did not conquer Egypt.

I will not accuse you of lying, but like you have done to so many others.

But I will accuse you of being poorly informed and purposely obfuscating the truth.

“thirdwitness.com”

Since: Aug 08

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#14 Nov 3, 2008
Reader wrote:
Here's another one for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apries
It seems that there are fairly good records of occupation by Egyptians. The Babylonians did not conquer Egypt.
I will not accuse you of lying, but like you have done to so many others.
But I will accuse you of being poorly informed and purposely obfuscating the truth.
The question is not what does wikipedia say. The question is what ancient source do you have that shows that Egypt was not desolated sometime between 590 and 539.

The Old Lady

“Virtus in Arduo”

Since: Feb 08

Paradise

#15 Nov 3, 2008
Thirdwitness wrote:
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It is interesting that the only way Reader is able to refute 607 is to follow the path of Alan Furbach and claim that Ezekiel was a false prophet. When a person leaves God's organization their only recourse to make themselves feel justified is to deny God's word. Otherwise it is all to clear that only Jehovah's Witnesses are God's true people. Reader has finally reached that plateau.
Baloney. When a person leaves the WTS, which is not God's organization it is a publishing companies organization, a false prophet no less, proved over and over again, where do you get that they deny God's word?
Most rely on God's word over an organization...a foriegn concept to you.
Paradise Forever

Elko, NV

#16 Nov 3, 2008
diogenes wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I see your point.
http://www.lgic.org/en/photos2_tyre.php
Reader fell right into that one. Jehovah's word always comes back with results.
Reader

Canada

#17 Nov 3, 2008
The point is, Tyre still exists today. Just because there is pictures of ruins does not mean that the city is destroyed. There are plenty of ruins in Rome, yet Rome exists.

Thirdwitness, the ball is in your court. You cannot find one single archeological source to prove your point.

Stop your obfuscating.
Reader

Canada

#18 Nov 4, 2008
Still waiting for tw to reply with evidence of Egypt's decimation.

Maybe he is busy trying to find a way to destroy Tyre in support of bible 'prophecy.'

“thirdwitness.com”

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#19 Nov 4, 2008
Reader wrote:
Still waiting for tw to reply with evidence of Egypt's decimation.
Ezekiel 29:11 "There will not pass through it the foot of earthling man, nor will the foot of domestic animal pass through it, and for forty years it will not be inhabited. 12 And I will make the land of Egypt a desolate waste in the midst of desolated lands; and its own cities will become a desolate waste in the very midst of devastated cities for forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands.” "

I know of no greater source than Jehovah God.
Reader

Canada

#20 Nov 4, 2008
But your 'source' does not match history. Surely you must have at least one historian who would substantiate your claim if it actually happened.

Besides, you are sidestepping Tyre, yet again. It was never to be rebuilt. and yet it is here.
Reader

Canada

#21 Nov 4, 2008
Also, that is the entire point of this discussion, that your source is faulty. So you again return to the exact same source to prove that your source is accurate.

Enough with the circles. Find a scholar and quote him. Or her.

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