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UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#1 Sep 22, 2012
When a JW teenager commits suicide because their JW grandparents shunned them is there an age (such as them being 60, 70, 80 years old) in which the grandparents aren't held responsible by Jehovah for bloodguilt?
little lamb

Australia

#2 Sep 22, 2012
Stop being so evil unchained..nobody is responsible for what another does

You know God says the Father is not responsible for a sons sin

and a Son is not to be held responsible for his Fathers sin

You should know it, as you call yourself a Christian..yet you throw out this evil rant..

If someone commits suicide..its that persons decision to do so..its nobody else's fault

The problem with youth suicide today , is because children are not taught the gospels and are generally led by their feelings

Gods word warns " the heart is desperate and treacherous, and who can know it"

youth have not learned that from their parents..and so they tend to give in to the moment, of whats in their heart.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#3 Sep 22, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Stop being so evil unchained..nobody is responsible for what another does
You know God says the Father is not responsible for a sons sin
and a Son is not to be held responsible for his Fathers sin
You should know it, as you call yourself a Christian..yet you throw out this evil rant..
If someone commits suicide..its that persons decision to do so..its nobody else's fault
The problem with youth suicide today , is because children are not taught the gospels and are generally led by their feelings
Gods word warns " the heart is desperate and treacherous, and who can know it"
youth have not learned that from their parents..and so they tend to give in to the moment, of whats in their heart.
So, when an immature teenager commits suicide because his wiser and mature JW grandparents have shunned him it is all his fault?

Is that what you are implying?

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#4 Sep 22, 2012
little lamb wrote:
You know God says the Father is not responsible for a sons sin
and a Son is not to be held responsible for his Fathers sin
Explain adamic sin please.
And Another

Orlando, FL

#5 Sep 22, 2012
Didn't Jesus commit suicide?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#6 Sep 22, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Stop being so evil unchained..nobody is responsible for what another does
You know God says the Father is not responsible for a sons sin
and a Son is not to be held responsible for his Fathers sin
You should know it, as you call yourself a Christian..yet you throw out this evil rant..
If someone commits suicide..its that persons decision to do so..its nobody else's fault
The problem with youth suicide today , is because children are not taught the gospels and are generally led by their feelings
Gods word warns " the heart is desperate and treacherous, and who can know it"
youth have not learned that from their parents..and so they tend to give in to the moment, of whats in their heart.
Your leaders say otherwise:

June 8, 1977 AWAKE!
Page 4
The Bible stresses the importance of carefulness and of love for neighbor, and considers a person bloodguilty who causes a death, even if it be accidental.

October 8, 2000 AWAKE!
Page 19
The Mosaic Law required that an individual take steps to protect the lives of others. If this was not done and a life was lost, the one who could have prevented the tragedy would be considered bloodguilty.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#7 Sep 22, 2012
UNchained wrote:
When a JW teenager commits suicide because their JW grandparents shunned them is there an age (such as them being 60, 70, 80 years old) in which the grandparents aren't held responsible by Jehovah for bloodguilt?
My goodness when a person kills themselves do you blame the last person who happened to do something they didn't like?

Should we never do anything to ever upset anyone just in case they kill themselves?

What a silly, naive, ignorant and down right stupid world view!

Unchained is like the generations of witch-hunters that false-religion has been churning out for centuries.

The TRUTH is that no one kills themselves "just because" someone did something.

Since: Jun 11

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#8 Sep 22, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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So, when an immature teenager commits suicide because his wiser and mature JW grandparents have shunned him it is all his fault?
Is that what you are implying?
this world is at fault, or the individual, no matter how old, is at fault. you could stretch your illustration way out there, and it wouldn't change. Where do you cut it off. How about parents that don't let their parents see their grandchildren because they are drunkards? How about when the authorities take the children off of their parents because according to the authorities the parents aren't good ones? There are so many "what if's" out there, and each one is different. And the child committing suicide has different pressures that they are dealing with, and feeling a failure because of the conditions in this world that they have to deal with. I know someone, that at 11 years old tried to commit suicide, because they had a bad report card. why not deal with reality? There are enough bad things, dealing with the WTBTS, that you shouldn't have to dream them up.

sidgi

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#9 Sep 22, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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So, when an immature teenager commits suicide because his wiser and mature JW grandparents have shunned him it is all his fault?
How do you know that cause for the suicide isn't the break-down that caused the child to be shunned in the first place?

Did YOU have anything to do with his loss of faith?

Are you blame-shifting a guilty conscience here perhaps?

See?

We can all read into situations what we want!
non_JW

San Jose, CA

#10 Sep 22, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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How do you know that cause for the suicide isn't the break-down that caused the child to be shunned in the first place?
Did YOU have anything to do with his loss of faith?
Are you blame-shifting a guilty conscience here perhaps?
See?
We can all read into situations what we want!
Yep Gareth, stick to more "provable" bloodguilt, like denying a child or accident victim a blood transfusion that could have saved their life.
Besides, the JW programming only allows JWs to think anybody who leaves the WT organization is "mentally diseased".
See Gareth, then you can ALWAYS say (to us humans whether a JW elder or an apostate) that they committed suicide because they were "mentally diseased". Then you only have to give account of yourself to Jesus Christ for your actions.

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

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#11 Sep 22, 2012
UNchained wrote:
When a JW teenager commits suicide because their JW grandparents shunned them is there an age (such as them being 60, 70, 80 years old) in which the grandparents aren't held responsible by Jehovah for bloodguilt?
When a JW leaves the organization and criticizes his former brothers (with stupid situations that never happen), is there a time limit for God to destroy him? 5, 10, 20 years?

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#12 Sep 22, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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When a JW leaves the organization and criticizes his former brothers (with stupid situations that never happen), is there a time limit for God to destroy him? 5, 10, 20 years?
Only if the stupid JW circumstances haunt them because they were lied to. Personally, I understand why so many feel obligated to mention that the WTBTS harms family relationships. If they would have been satisfied with just being another club trying for membership among the many, it wouldn't have mattered. But they had to try and make themselves stand out as being special, and not only that, but the witnesses tied the families into the matter. They are the ones that made divisions the order of the day. The sooner the witness organization is done away with, the better for all of them.

sidgi
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#13 Sep 22, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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When a JW leaves the organization and criticizes his former brothers (with stupid situations that never happen), is there a time limit for God to destroy him? 5, 10, 20 years?
Why do Jehovah Witness members commit suicide at a rate far exceeding the general population?

Jehovah's Witnesses know former members are shunned by their family and closest of friends. Members know that blackmail material the cult has collected on them will be held forever.

Suicide avoids both the embarrassment and the pain associated with ritual shunning.

If a Witness leaves the organization then rumors will be spread about their sexuality or other personal issues.

Often blackmail material is combined with exaggeration and half truths to make the former Witness appear deviant and evil.

Suicide is an easy way to avoid this.

According to the Cult Awareness And Information Center and other reports, Jehovah's Witnesses commit suicide at a rate far exceeding (5-10 times greater) the general population.

http://gothamist.com/2011/12/29/jehovahs_witn...

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php...
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#14 Sep 22, 2012
It is not unheard of that suicide is combined with murder to increase the death rate and thus give a greater sacrament to the Watchtower Society. One of many Watchtower murder-suicides took place in McMinnville, Ore on February 23, 2002. A long time Jehovah Witness family of six was found dead, killed by shot gun blasts. Mr. Robert Bryant had murdered his wife and four children before turning the gun on himself.

It was learned that the family left California after being shunned by the Jehovah's Witnesses Shingle Springs congregation.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#15 Sep 22, 2012
On pages 703-704 in the November 15, 1952 Watchower disappointment is expressed that family members cannot be murdered for apostasy:

We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine.“Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God,. . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee.”—Deut. 13:6-11, AS.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#16 Sep 22, 2012
Perhaps if the Watchtower’s New World Order succeeds public executions will be commonplace.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#17 Sep 22, 2012
Jehovah's Witnesses, how do you deal with the suicide of disfellowshipped family members?

Do you feel that you share responsibility for cutting the social structure that your denomination created out from under them or do you place all the blame on their shoulders?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#18 Sep 22, 2012
To a dedicated Jehovah's Witness who is one of the 'great crowd' they sincerely believe that they will not go to heaven or to hell.

There is only an upside to suicide... life in a perfect cleansed world.

Witnesses see no downside to suicide.

Suicide makes perfect sense to a Withness having doubts about his faith.

He may reason that if the organisation is a scam he would rather be dead then live because he has already invested years of his life being faithful to an organisation.

He also may reason that if it is the true religion he will be raised from the dead and live in a perfect world.

Suicide for the long time Jehovah's Witness has a large upside but no down side.

Many worry they can’t make it to Armageddon in good standing with the organisation.

The JW knows that if he falls out of favor with the organisation then he will be killed during Armageddon with the nonJW's.

JW's commit suicide in the belief that they will only go to sleep for a short time and then wake up after Armageddon has passed.

The Watchtower organisation has taught them that if they die while in good standing they will wake up in paradise.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#20 Sep 22, 2012
The cold hearted bitch is back and she's just as cold hearted a bitch as she ever was.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Houston, TX

#21 Sep 22, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
The cold hearted bitch is back and she's just as cold hearted a bitch as she ever was.
Uh, this guy stated...

"JW's commit suicide in the belief that they will only go to sleep for a short time and then wake up after Armageddon has passed."

The Watchtower organisation has taught them that if they die while in good standing they will wake up in paradise."

Where in the Watchtower does it say anything like this?

This is the same GUY that claims to be a “Christian” that BELIEVES he's going to "heaven..."

He's obviously been reading some of Osama Bin Laden's jihadist passages.

He's sounds like a suicide bomber to me. You may want consider contacting the FBI.

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