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Jun 16, 2010
 
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<quoted text> In 1975, Cause "STAY ALIVE FOR 75"
Ha! 1975 was a reflection of the concept that the millennium would occur during the 7th Creative Day and as a sabbath, supposedly the last 1000 years or close to that. Per the WTS calculations who dated the Exodus in 1513 BC, quite a bit earlier than even secular history (1446 BCE), and compacting the time Adam was to name the animals to just a year, claiming he would name major animal groups, when in fact he was set to live forever, means they wanted to date the creation of Eve the following year and thus end the 6000 years in 1975.

But the concept was good. The millennium must occur during the final part of the 7th Creative Day. The specifics are not given in the scriptures but the CONCEPT is.

If we make some reasonable adjustments we get another date, an improved and corrected dated from 1975 which turns out to be 2011 AD!!

That is, using 1947 as the beginning of the 70th jubilee, we can date the true Exodus date to 1386 BCE. That represents a 127-year error for 1513 bCE.

1513-1386 = 127.

We also think Adam was likely an adult around 30 years old before Eve was created. Why not? Jesus became the messiah and sacrifice for Adam at age 30 so there is some parallel to that concept. He did say when he saw Eve, "AT LAST, bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh." That seems more logical after no human contact for 30 years vs just 1 year. Even today, development to adulthood is 18-21 years.

Having noted that, though, that pushes 1975 back another 29 years. We combine the 29 and the 127 years to get a better idea of when 6000 years would end.

29 + 127 = 156

156 + 1975 = 2131 AD.

OOPS! No millennium until 2131 AD? That's another 121 years from now! Why on earth did Christ arrive in 1992 then? Wasn't Satan only supposed to be let loose for a "short while"?

Well...you're right. But turns out when God declares he is going to make "all things new" (Rev 21:3,4) signaling the beginning of the 8th Creative Day, it is after Satan's rebellion and his death in the lake of fire and also after Judgment Day, both of which occur AFTER the millennium.

Thus the millennium is a symbolic "rest day" from Satan's influence but is not the absolute last 1000 years of the 7th Creative Day. It is moved up a bit to allow for Satan's last rebellion and Judgment Day. Satan's rebellion is a "short while" as well, so lets say 20 years. Judgment Day could be up to 100 years. If so, we have to move the millennium up about 120 years from 2131 AD which gives us....

2131 - 120 = 2011 AD

So technically, for our concerns of what we generally expect from 1975, we can now have a better handle on the chronology and are now focussing on 2011 AD. That means a "short while" is less than 20 years if Christ arrived in 1992, which I did. 20 years is a half of a generation of 40 years. That works! The Bible says that it would seem delayed but it would not be LATE thus it would be extended to the very last minute to save that last repentant one.

So 99% of the work needed up to this point has been done. The sealing of the elect ended in May 2008, so we are in a holding pattern until Jehovah brings about the destruction of Babylon the Great, which is imminent. That is, when the UN takes over world government and destroys the Federal Reserve.
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Jun 16, 2010
 
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Yes, it has all happened. The "great tribulation" of Matthew was the HOLOCAUST.
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Sidestepping the subject .... Mat 24:5 is about YOU, mate. The people Jesus warned about .....people saying "I'm the Christ" and deceiving others. Have you got a mental problem or are you mucking about for a laugh?
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Jun 17, 2010
 
Perry Platypus wrote:
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Sidestepping the subject .... Mat 24:5 is about YOU, mate. The people Jesus warned about .....people saying "I'm the Christ" and deceiving others. Have you got a mental problem or are you mucking about for a laugh?
I'm a pure psycho and stand-up comic! Haaaa haaa!

Nah. You know, the thing is that 99.9999% of all Christ claimees and wanabees will be false Christs. I do think that some of that applies to some basic religions as well not just individuals, in particular the WTS who is now a false "anointed one" which is what "christ" means (i.e. christened?)

But having noted that. It is easy just to reject 100% of all those claiming to be Christ. But, true Christians are supposed to keep on the watch for the true Christ when he comes. If you don't know what to expect, when the real thing comes, you'll end up rejecting him too and then be rejected.

So from a very fundamental position, particularly reflect early JW doctrine about the second coming, you need to ask some basic questions about the second coming. Such as.

1. WHEN does he arrive. 3 prophecies are year-specific.

A. The "7 times" prophecy dating that event 2520 years from the true date for the fall of Jerusalem which is now confirmed to be 529 BCE by the VAT4956 (or the Bible).

B. The "1335 days" prophecy, dating that event 45 years after the end of the gentile times, which ends the symbolic 1290 days. That occurred in 1947.

C. The "end of gift and sacrifice" which means the end of the Lord's Supper celebration when Christ arrives. That celebration was in his absence to commorate his sacrifice. But when he returns he eats it one last time and then that ends that event. That event is dated to the mid 70th week passover. Calculated to our time based on the end of the 70th week of the 1st coming from 29-36 BCE, the mid 70th week passover occurs on April 6, 1993.

490 x 4 = 1960
1960 + 36 = 1996
70th week of second coming = 1989-1996
Mid 70th week passover is April 6, 1993

So WHEN the messiah appears has to be understood by the elect for when to expect him. They are not told the DAY or HOUR but the year has to fulfill those three prophecies.

So if this is the first time you've heard these TIME prophecies, then you're not really qualified to dismiss me out of hand as being the true messiah.

See? I'm truly the true messiah but you don't recognize me because you don't know exactly what to expect.

2. Will he arrive in the FLESH or SPIRIT? Answer is in the flesh. He must, in fact, come through the line of Joseph, and the tribe of Ephraim, who was half Egyptian, thus a double fulfillment of "Out of Egypt, I called my son." I'm a descendant of Joseph. I'm also in the flesh. In the IMPERFECT FLESH.

That's what the two WAVE OFFERINGS are about. The first is without leaven, meaning a sinless body of unleavened bread. The second wave offering for the second coming is WITH LEAVEN, meaning Christ appears in an imperfect body. He's downloaded basically into one of his imperfect followers at the second coming. Didn't know that did you? Of course not. You're not paying attention or you've been blinded.

So you wouldn't know the true messiah if I came up and bit you in the ass, frankly, which I have been known to do at times, depending on the ass.(grin)

tee hee

"There is where the weeping and the gnashing of the teeth will be."

Meaning I didn't come here to have you judge ME, I came here to judge YOU. To separate the sheep from the goats. I'm here to decide whether you are a true Christian or not, not here for you to decide whether I'm the true Christ.

So far, I'm not impressed. Maybe you need to find out what truly to expect. You can't do it without chronology though, trust me.
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Jun 18, 2010
 
Mate you're loop the flipping loop! Whatever pops your cork sunshine.
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Jun 18, 2010
 
Perry Platypus wrote:
Mate you're loop the flipping loop! Whatever pops your cork sunshine.
Interesting. Now that we are so close to Armageddon. It seems that the light is increasing for the chosen but it is getting darker and darker for those rejected. There is nobody in the middle ground any more.

With so much reasonable information now and details one would think some of this would be more of an obvious choice, but it isn't. People love the lies and love the darkness. Even if you explain it in detail they cannot see it.

But that's the way Jehovah planned it. There is a focal concern for those to be saved and just zero time or bother for those who aren't going to make it. Like the 5 wise virgins who desperately focus on their own oil needs and tell the 5 foolish virgins to basically take a hike and make their own way.

Oh well. In the end it boils down to personal understanding, happiness and reality I guess. It is as if God hides from the wicked but talks to a few of his favorite people but in a way that can't be shared.

I'm just waiting for the UN to take over world government. Then just 15 months (or less!) to Armageddon.

Any day now.

Everybody knows big banking has to protect and launder billions in drug trafficking, so no way are they going to let their books be audited. It's like the immigration issue--it looks one way on the law books but in reality it is a vital part of the economy. Something has got to give soon.

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Jun 21, 2010
 
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An improved and corrected dated from 1975 which turns out to be 2011 AD!!...

So technically, for our concerns of what we generally expect from 1975, we can now have a better handle on the chronology and are now focussing on 2011 AD.
That means a "short while" is less than 20 years if Christ arrived in 1992, which I did. 20 years is a half of a generation of 40 years.

... That is, when the UN takes over world government and destroys the Federal Reserve.
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Larry (Anon2100),

I am, as I have said on several occasions, deeply concerned for your well-being, especially when the realisation comes to you.

I genuinely and sincerely hope you will be able to cope when you are faced with the reality.

I assume that will happen when you recognise that your time-limited expectations have been built on false ideas. When that does happen, and it will, I hope you will use your experience to help others who rely on times and dates that they can calculate from the writings of ancient peoples, including the Hebrews.

Doug
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Jun 26, 2010
 
Doug Mason wrote:
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Larry (Anon2100),
I am, as I have said on several occasions, deeply concerned for your well-being, especially when the realisation comes to you.
I genuinely and sincerely hope you will be able to cope when you are faced with the reality.
I assume that will happen when you recognise that your time-limited expectations have been built on false ideas. When that does happen, and it will, I hope you will use your experience to help others who rely on times and dates that they can calculate from the writings of ancient peoples, including the Hebrews.
Doug
Hi Doug,

I understand your position, but for me it is too late. That's because the fulfillment of too many events leading up to our time have already been fulfilled.

For instance, an astronomical text called the KTU 1.78 confirms the 1st of Akhenaten to have occurred in 1386 BC, the year of the Exodus. The Exodus is part of a series of 70 jubilees. The jubilees occur in the first year of every 49 after the first 49 years begins the series of 70 jubilees which is 3430 years.

70 x 49 = 3430

The Exodus is the first jubilee. The Jews are to return to celebrate the final 70th jubilee week, the last 49 years.

So if you add 49 years to 1386 you get 1435 BCE which begins the 70 jubilees of 3430 years. That means this period ends in 1996.

3430 - 1435 BC = 1996

That means the final jubilee and restoration of the Jews to their homeland as promised in scripture, per prophetic pattern, should have occurred 49 years prior to 1996. This is entirely based on 1386 BCE as the true date for the Exodus.

1996 - 49 = 1947

What happened in 1947? On November 30, 1947 the Partition Agreement reestablished the official homeland of the Jews in Israel. The State of Israel was set up in the Spring of 1948.

So that was fulfilled. That is in the PAST!

So when you talk about disappointments ahead, it's difficult to apply that since so many of the PAST chronology has now been fulfilled.

Same with the second coming based on the true date of the fall of Jerusalem in 529 BCE. Instead of 607 BC or 587 BCE which gives you 1914 or 1934, 529 BC dates the second coming in 1992-1993. That is when the messiah takes up a fleshly body again. That actually happened on December 25, 1992.

So really, at this point, what is there not to believe? Three major chronology events that are timed in the Bible have occurred.

1. The "great tribulation" begins with the "cut off" at the end of 62 weeks. 62 weeks is 434 years into the final 70 weeks of 1506-1996. That means the cutoff of 7-years of tribulation would be from 1940-1947. That is when the HOLOCAUST OCCURED.

2. After that the State of Israel was to be set up. It was.

3. Shortly after that the second messiah was to be born, the person into whom Christ would dwell during the 1000-year rule. They were to appear shortly after the State of Israel was set up. At that time the "sign of the son of man" would begin to appear. A physical sign in the clouds. It did after January of 1950.

So sorry, way too many miracles and events fulfilling specific chronology have occurred for me to be "disappointed."

Everything has been fulfilled just as planned.

Anon

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Jun 28, 2010
 
Larry,

You assume there was an exodus.

The state of Israel is purely a political entity.
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I do not appreciate your misuse of the sufferings of my forebears with your false arguments based on their suffering during the WW2 Holocaust.

My father was tortured in 1938 at Dachau by the Nazis. A 17 year old cousin was murdered in Buchenwald in 1939.

My grandparents were murdered by the Nazis in 1942. But theirs was not a unique experience, for their parents suffered untold persecution under the Russian pogroms of the 19th century, while earlier ancestors were murdered at the hands of religious authorities in Spain.

Doug
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Jun 29, 2010
 
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Larry,
You assume there was an exodus.

Doug
Hi Doug,

I think we just misunderstand each other. You are confusing academics with interpretation.

In other words, there is a book called the Bible that claims there was an Exodus and that after that the Egyptians repented and then built an altar to Yahweh in the middle of Egypt, per Isaiah 19.

Now did that really happen or not? I was brought up as a JW and told everything in the Bible is true. So the question is, IS IT REALLY TRUE?

Well, what we do now is investigate it. Only you will investigate it differently than I will. You presume it is false until proven true. I presume it is true until proven false. So you are looking for confirmations and I'm looking for contradictions. Maybe neither of us will confirm our conviction. But let's just look at how quickly I get boxed in here once we investigate.

1. 1947 dates the Exodus to 1386 BCE per my belief. It it doesn't happen that year then I consider the Bible to be false. So I proceed to see just how archaeology or astronomy or radiocarbon 14 dating now in place reflect against an Exodus in 1386 BCE. Here's what I find.

A. Kathleen Kenyon dates the fall of Jericho by Joshua between 1350-1325 BCE. That means the Exodus must occur 40 years earlier between 1390-1365 BCE. 1386 BCE falls within that range, so I see NO CONTRADICTION. You, of course, will challenge Kenyon and see NO CONFIRMATION. That's fine.

B. RC14 from Rehov, City IV, dates Shishak's invasion to the mid-point high probability date of c. 871 BCE, give or take 5 years. It's just that accurate when you deal with short-live grains stored at the time of a destructive level. 871 BC applied to year 39 of Solomon dates his year 4 to 906 BCE and the Exodus to 1386 BCE, give or take five years. So RC14 presents NO CONTRADICTION for the Exodus in 1386 BCE.

C. The VAT4956 confirms a conspiracy to change the chronology of Nebuchadnezzar by 57 years, thus his 37th year was moved from 511 BC to 568 BCE. In turn, the Assyrian eponym solar eclipse was shifted from 709 BCE to 763 BC, distorting Shishak's invasion by 54 years from 871 BCE to 925 BCE. When that is restored, of course, it forces you to date the Exodus in 1386 BCE by both the VAT4956 and the 709 BCE Assyrian eclipse. This matches the RC14 dating to the same date, 871 BCE for Shishak's invasion (see #B). So, again, I see NO CONTRADICTION.

D. Manetho and the Book of Sothis are extra-Biblical secular sources that date when Joseph came into Egypt in the 4th of Apophis. He was appointed vizier 13 years later in the 17th of Apophis. That means Jacob came into Egypt around his 25th year. The Exodus is 215 years after that. If you count 215 years from the 25th of Apophis you get the Exodus at the end of the reign of Amenhotep III. The KTU 1.78 dating the 12th of Akhenaten to 1376 BCE dates his first year to 1386 BCE, which is the end of Amenhotep III. Isa 19 claims this would be the time when Egypt built an a new altar to Yahweh, a monotheistic god. Well Akhenaten did that. Again NO CONTRADICTION.

So at this point, it's over. There is no way you can recover from all these sources pointing to the same event in Egypt. The 10 plagues are confirmed by the radical new religious focus by Akhenaten.

So for those who claim there was no Exodus because they don't have a video tape of the event is their problem. There is nothing in place academically to preempt the Biblical account, IMO.

Anybody can say, "I don't believe in God because I can't see him." But that doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
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Doug
Hi Doug,

Of course, I acknowledge the trajedy of any death and I'm particularly sorry for your personal loss.

But from a Biblical point of view, the Jews were under a special covenant with Yahweh. Part of that covenant entailed that if they were disobedient and began to worship other gods, he would send them into exile and send a sword after them. They would be hated and be alien residents away from their land. This would culminate in a "great tribulation" over a 7-year period wherein two thirds of the exiled population in their resettled primary resident would be exterminated. Here are the scriptures:

ZECH 13:8 “And it must occur in all the land,” is the utterance of Jehovah,“[that] two parts in it are what will be cut off [and] expire; and as for the third [part], it will be left remaining in it. 9 And I shall certainly bring the third [part] through the fire;"

Thus, while God would punish the children of the unfaithful Israelites, he would preserve a third of them, a remnant, whom he would restore to their homeland. This was fulfilled between 1940-1947 during the "HOLOCAUST" when, indeed, six million Jews out of nine million perished, just as the Bible said. Tragic? Yes.

But, at the same time, the restoration in 1947 and the set up of the State of Israel the following Spring in 1948, fulfills that prophecy and fulfills the final JUBILEE of 49 years, the 70th jubilee. Thus 1947 forces us to date the Exodus to 1386 BCE as well.

How so? Because if the 70th jubilee began in 1947, it ends 49 years later in 1996. 70 jubilees is a period of 3430 years. That is:

70 x 49 = 3430

3430 - 1996 = 1434 + 1 = 1435 BCE

Thus the 70 jubilees began in 1435 BCE. The Exodus celebrates the 50th year of this jubilee week, thus:

1435 - 49 = 1386 BCE.

So you see, from my point of view and per MY INTERPRETATION, everything is fulfilled right on time.

The 3430 years of 70 jubilees of 49 years each is a WEEK of 70 weeks. That is seven days of 490 years each. The final 490 years ending in 1996 begins in 1506. The "cut off" of 7 years begins precisely at 69 weeks, followed by the final jubilee of 49 years. That is, 62 weeks of 434 years, followed by 1 week of 7 years of great tribulation, followed by the final jubilee if 49 years.

So...

1506 + 434 years = 1940

1940 + 7 = 1947

1947 + 49 = 1996

Thus the "great tribulation" would occur between 1940-1947 where two-thirds of the Jews would be exterminated and a third would come out of exile in 1947. That is exactly what happend.

So your idea that the Bible is a book of myths or unfulfilled prophecies is only per your own denial of the facts. Everything works out perfectly for me since I have the correct interpretation.
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Ha! 1975 was a reflection of the concept that the millennium would occur during the 7th Creative Day and as a sabbath, supposedly the last 1000 years or close to that. Per the WTS calculations who dated the Exodus in 1513 BC, quite a bit earlier than even secular history (1446 BCE), and compacting the time Adam was to name the animals to just a year, claiming he would name major animal groups, when in fact he was set to live forever, means they wanted to date the creation of Eve the following year and thus end the 6000 years in 1975.
But the concept was good. The millennium must occur during the final part of the 7th Creative Day. The specifics are not given in the scriptures but the CONCEPT is.
If we make some reasonable adjustments we get another date, an improved and corrected dated from 1975 which turns out to be 2011 AD!!
That is, using 1947 as the beginning of the 70th jubilee, we can date the true Exodus date to 1386 BCE. That represents a 127-year error for 1513 bCE.
1513-1386 = 127.
We also think Adam was likely an adult around 30 years old before Eve was created. Why not? Jesus became the messiah and sacrifice for Adam at age 30 so there is some parallel to that concept. He did say when he saw Eve, "AT LAST, bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh." That seems more logical after no human contact for 30 years vs just 1 year. Even today, development to adulthood is 18-21 years.
Having noted that, though, that pushes 1975 back another 29 years. We combine the 29 and the 127 years to get a better idea of when 6000 years would end.
29 + 127 = 156
156 + 1975 = 2131 AD.
OOPS! No millennium until 2131 AD? That's another 121 years from now! Why on earth did Christ arrive in 1992 then? Wasn't Satan only supposed to be let loose for a "short while"?
Well...you're right. But turns out when God declares he is going to make "all things new" (Rev 21:3,4) signaling the beginning of the 8th Creative Day, it is after Satan's rebellion and his death in the lake of fire and also after Judgment Day, both of which occur AFTER the millennium.
Thus the millennium is a symbolic "rest day" from Satan's influence but is not the absolute last 1000 years of the 7th Creative Day. It is moved up a bit to allow for Satan's last rebellion and Judgment Day. Satan's rebellion is a "short while" as well, so lets say 20 years. Judgment Day could be up to 100 years. If so, we have to move the millennium up about 120 years from 2131 AD which gives us....
2131 - 120 = 2011 AD
So technically, for our concerns of what we generally expect from 1975, we can now have a better handle on the chronology and are now focussing on 2011 AD. That means a "short while" is less than 20 years if Christ arrived in 1992, which I did. 20 years is a half of a generation of 40 years. That works! The Bible says that it would seem delayed but it would not be LATE thus it would be extended to the very last minute to save that last repentant one.
So 99% of the work needed up to this point has been done. The sealing of the elect ended in May 2008, so we are in a holding pattern until Jehovah brings about the destruction of Babylon the Great, which is imminent. That is, when the UN takes over world government and destroys the Federal Reserve.
Hey man,

What happened with 2011???

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