My Witness Parents are Trying to Indo...

“LADY WARRIOR”

Since: Apr 11

THUG HUNTER

#308 Nov 9, 2012
hMMMM wrote:
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I read the lies she posts
He was most likely already a drug addict, many JW kids are.
I think she just blames the accident, which may well have been triggered by substance abuse.
Many people survive car accidents without killing themselves.
I have no doubt the suicide rates of those raised in the Jehovah's witness cult is much higher than those who have been injured in a car accident.
Can you imagine the harm she caused just by breeding? Can you even imagine a moral evil mother???
IMHO
Here is the proof of what a miserable, abusive, mean and hateful person you really are.
Learn to Read

United States

#309 Nov 9, 2012
Crystal Chanda Cassadine wrote:
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Here is the proof of what a miserable, abusive, mean and hateful person you really are.
But EE is not miserable, mean and hateful when she makes up things about the OP of this thread and his wife to suit her agenda?
Learn to Read

United States

#310 Nov 9, 2012
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>It's intentional! It's her way of attacking!
She exhibits passive agressive behavior, it's typical of people who are not in control of their own lives.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#311 Nov 9, 2012
Geeze Louise wrote:
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OMG! You are lying. Her son was not a drug addict. May Jehovah rebuke you.
Not to worry. No one believes anything that woman says. I don't even read what she says. I just saw you respond to her, so I looked. She is just one example of the mind of Satan. Only he could cause people to speak to me as they do about my son's death. When she and her kind speak, they appear as demons with frogs and garbage pouring out of their mouths, completely possessed.

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#312 Nov 9, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
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She exhibits passive agressive behavior, it's typical of people who are not in control of their own lives.
Wow! there is so many psych doctors on here.

Since: Sep 09

Location hidden

#313 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Not to worry. No one believes anything that woman says. I don't even read what she says. I just saw you respond to her, so I looked. She is just one example of the mind of Satan. Only he could cause people to speak to me as they do about my son's death. When she and her kind speak, they appear as demons with frogs and garbage pouring out of their mouths, completely possessed.
That old woman is senile. I'm sorry she taunts you about your son's death. I can't imagine how one deals with the death of a child. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Yes, she is controled by satan.
Learn to Read

United States

#314 Nov 9, 2012
Simply Intrigued wrote:
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Wow! there is so many psych doctors on here.
Yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen you EE and many others giving out advice for people to take their meds and diagnosing mental illnesses. Even going so far as to diagnose people as being mentally diseased.

So, there ya go.
Hoodwinked

Winchester, CA

#315 Nov 9, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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HI HW. What she is not saying is, I said those things about the KH which I attended, not all of them. Some things she has said are true, some are lies. For instance, I never said all other sisters wore pants, I only said that some did. I always wore pants, only time I did not was if I had a part in the Thursday night meetings.
I also never said I never read the bible. I never said that I didn't know if Elders got paid, I knew they didn't. She took that comment completely out of context. I also never said I haven't been in a KH since 1998. I took my mother many times and the last time I was in a KH was in 2010 on the Memorial and I didn't just drop her off, I attended as well.I never heard an accounts read, I never seen an Elder clean a bathroom is what I said, and I have never seen a funeral in a KH. These are my experiences. Gotta run to get the kids, Hugs to you and your sweet family.:)
How typical of EE!!
Tell the kids hello for me and enjoy your afternoon:)

Since: Feb 07

RI

#316 Nov 9, 2012
much happier now wrote:
It seems you are the one stirred up, jumping to conclusion and making things up. There is absolutely no reason for the grandparents to inflict their negative, narrow viewpoint on the children, its just a toy, there was absolutely no reason for them to get involved and upset the children. If they have concerns, they should discuss it with the father.
How would you feel if you child came home upset because your mother in law told her the Bible stories book was evil, I can tell by your posts here, you would give her an earfull and then some. Your problem is you think there are different rules for Jehovah's Witness than for everyone else, but honey that is not the way it works. I have known a lot of JWs, who act that way, self righteous to the max, including my own mother. You think you are better because only you have the right religion. Even if it were true, it doesn't justify your behavior.
You made some very valid points, and I notice that EE couldn't refute them, so she dismisses them. ROFL

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#317 Nov 9, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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I must be retarded because in my opinion the grandparents are right for teaching their grandchildren about the things Jehovah God disapproves of.
Hi duh boy.. look at it from this perspective. How upset would you be if your parents were Catholic or Mormon and told your kids your beliefs were wrong... Is it there place to do so? This is whole point. How would you feel if it were your children and someone of a different faith believed whole heartedly that they have the real truth and pushed their 'truth' on your children without your knowledge or permission?

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#318 Nov 9, 2012
beckyss wrote:
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Hi duh boy.. look at it from this perspective. How upset would you be if your parents were Catholic or Mormon and told your kids your beliefs were wrong... Is it there place to do so? This is whole point. How would you feel if it were your children and someone of a different faith believed whole heartedly that they have the real truth and pushed their 'truth' on your children without your knowledge or permission?
"pushed their truth on" them? Amazing how people are judging and condemning these grandparents who are not here to tell us what they said or did or how it all happened. All we have is the inflammatory post from their son characterizing them as trying to indoctrinate his children, and all the anti-Witnesses band together to attack these grandparents without giving them any hearing.

Only a generation such as this last one here before the end would all gang up on older ones and advocate for silencing them and telling them what they can say and cannot say about their religious beliefs. But the Bible did foretell this.

(2 Timothy 3:1-17)

But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.

2 For men will be lovers of themselves,... self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,

3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,

4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,

5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.

*****

And, of course, the grandchildren will see how the parents treat the grandparents, and the parents will get the same treatment when their turn comes.
Learn to Read

United States

#319 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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"pushed their truth on" them? Amazing how people are judging and condemning these grandparents who are not here to tell us what they said or did or how it all happened. All we have is the inflammatory post from their son characterizing them as trying to indoctrinate his children, and all the anti-Witnesses band together to attack these grandparents without giving them any hearing.
Only a generation such as this last one here before the end would all gang up on older ones and advocate for silencing them and telling them what they can say and cannot say about their religious beliefs. But the Bible did foretell this.
(2 Timothy 3:1-17)
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.
2 For men will be lovers of themselves,... self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,
3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,
4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
*****
And, of course, the grandchildren will see how the parents treat the grandparents, and the parents will get the same treatment when their turn comes.
It has nothing to do with them being older and nobody is attacking them.

The discussion is about whether or not it's appropriate to undermine parents in their beliefs by telling the children something that breaks the trust given to them by the parents.

Would you like to answer the question of how you would handle it if your parents did the same to your children?

Would you be so nice about it if the roles were reversed and it was JW parents and some other religion that the grandparents were trying to force down the children's throats? Admit it, you would be outraged.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#320 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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"pushed their truth on" them? Amazing how people are judging and condemning these grandparents who are not here to tell us what they said or did or how it all happened. All we have is the inflammatory post from their son characterizing them as trying to indoctrinate his children, and all the anti-Witnesses band together to attack these grandparents without giving them any hearing.
Only a generation such as this last one here before the end would all gang up on older ones and advocate for silencing them and telling them what they can say and cannot say about their religious beliefs. But the Bible did foretell this.
(2 Timothy 3:1-17)
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.
2 For men will be lovers of themselves,... self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal,
3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness,
4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
*****
And, of course, the grandchildren will see how the parents treat the grandparents, and the parents will get the same treatment when their turn comes.
You are sugar coating what the grandparents did. It is perfectly fine for them to disagree with the customs which their parents are teaching them. But these parents are raising these kids under different religious beliefs and these grandparents under minded what these kids are taught by their parents.
I don't celebrate Halloween but I do celebrate birthdays and do believe it is okay to teach 'simple''fun' magic tricks,... not 'black magic' which is associated with Satan and witches the underworld etc.. and I am sure that if the parents are obedient to God, they teach about birthdays and other celebrations in the correct context and that they are not associated with God and Christ. They are fun ways to celebrate honoring a person's life (birthday), a fun way to bring in the fall season,(halloween) and magic as a form of fun entertainment.
If the grandparents are concerned about these celebrations, they should confront the parents and speak with them about it. They go behind the parents back to try and teach their religious beliefs about celebrations.
Again, how would you feel if it were your children... You just take the side of the grandparents because they are JW's... what if the grandparents nor the parents were JW... would you disagree then?

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#321 Nov 9, 2012
beckyss wrote:
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You are sugar coating what the grandparents did. It is perfectly fine for them to disagree with the customs which their parents are teaching them. But these parents are raising these kids under different religious beliefs and these grandparents under minded what these kids are taught by their parents.
I don't celebrate Halloween but I do celebrate birthdays and do believe it is okay to teach 'simple''fun' magic tricks,... not 'black magic' which is associated with Satan and witches the underworld etc.. and I am sure that if the parents are obedient to God, they teach about birthdays and other celebrations in the correct context and that they are not associated with God and Christ. They are fun ways to celebrate honoring a person's life (birthday), a fun way to bring in the fall season,(halloween) and magic as a form of fun entertainment.
If the grandparents are concerned about these celebrations, they should confront the parents and speak with them about it. They go behind the parents back to try and teach their religious beliefs about celebrations.
Again, how would you feel if it were your children... You just take the side of the grandparents because they are JW's... what if the grandparents nor the parents were JW... would you disagree then?
You do not know what the grandparents said or did. But one thing you should know is that people have a right to speak about their religious beliefs--especially in their own home.
Hoodwinked

Winchester, CA

#322 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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You do not know what the grandparents said or did. But one thing you should know is that people have a right to speak about their religious beliefs--especially in their own home.
True. But if they disrespect the parents wishes then they will be the ones to miss out on having their grandchildren around. It's a mutual respect thing EE and the parents of the children have the right to raise their children the way they wish...without interference from the grandparents.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#323 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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You do not know what the grandparents said or did. But one thing you should know is that people have a right to speak about their religious beliefs--especially in their own home.
Doesn't matter what the grandparents said or did. If the kids are coming home telling mom and dad that grandma and grandpa said that all these things are bad... then it is not their place to tell them it's 'bad'.
You are correct in one thing, people do have a right to speak their religious beliefs in their own home, but they do not have the right to tell children, without parental consent, that theirs (directly to the children) is bad/wrong.. too confusing for kids. Puts them in an emotional and spiritual tug-o-war with the people in their family they love the most. Parents and grandparents.
I turned against God for many years because my parents were in a religious war in my home. I was not raised a JW but my father got back in when I was a young teen and all he** broke lose. He did nothing but insult, antagonize and cause misery to my mom over her beliefs and church which he helped to raise me in... They ended up divorcing and I blamed God and cursed him and everything else.
Now if my father would have been smart, he would have found a different way to show us his beliefs through love instead of hate which is all I see coming out of JW's for all other people and beliefs. Instead he brought out an all out 'hate' war against the very beliefs he raised me in.
The grandparents should discuss this with the parents before they say anything. It's the right thing to do.
Luckily God got a hold of me and brought me back into his love and grace and I am one of his faithful children who serves him and my lord and Savior with all my heart and soul.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#324 Nov 9, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
<quoted text> True. But if they disrespect the parents wishes then they will be the ones to miss out on having their grandchildren around. It's a mutual respect thing EE and the parents of the children have the right to raise their children the way they wish...without interference from the grandparents.
It is not interference for the grandparents to comment in their own home when the child wants them to play with them in a way that is offensive to the grandparents' conscience. The grandparent has a right to explain to the child why the particular toy their parents sent with them is objectionable to them.

And if the child asks the grandparent questions about Halloween and trick or treat, the grandparents have a right to say how they feel about that subject.

You have told us how you control your mother and other relatives and allow them to speak only on subjects of your choice, but that is not how things should be and not in line with Bible principles or even civil law.

Using your children as ammunition in your war against your parents' religion is child abuse. Your children will be the biggest losers and will regret that their parents made a relationship with their grandparents difficult or impossible. You are the one who defected from your family's religion. It is not all up to them to adjust and never speak of their beliefs, who they are as people, what is nearest and dearest to their heart, what they are most interested in, what they cherish.

A child who truly loves their parents would never do that to them.

The parents have the child with them 24 hours a day every day except for the occasional times they are with the grandparents. How can a few sentences from the grandparents override what the parents live and teach their children. My parents had access to my children and told them Baptist stuff all the time. The children were unaffected, and we always discussed what the grandparents said and checked it out in the Bible. The children grew up with our values and beliefs, not their grandparents.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#325 Nov 9, 2012
beckyss wrote:
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Doesn't matter what the grandparents said or did. If the kids are coming home telling mom and dad that grandma and grandpa said that all these things are bad... then it is not their place to tell them it's 'bad'.
You are correct in one thing, people do have a right to speak their religious beliefs in their own home, but they do not have the right to tell children, without parental consent, that theirs (directly to the children) is bad/wrong.. too confusing for kids. Puts them in an emotional and spiritual tug-o-war with the people in their family they love the most. Parents and grandparents.
I turned against God for many years because my parents were in a religious war in my home. I was not raised a JW but my father got back in when I was a young teen and all he** broke lose. He did nothing but insult, antagonize and cause misery to my mom over her beliefs and church which he helped to raise me in... They ended up divorcing and I blamed God and cursed him and everything else.
Now if my father would have been smart, he would have found a different way to show us his beliefs through love instead of hate which is all I see coming out of JW's for all other people and beliefs. Instead he brought out an all out 'hate' war against the very beliefs he raised me in.
The grandparents should discuss this with the parents before they say anything. It's the right thing to do.
Luckily God got a hold of me and brought me back into his love and grace and I am one of his faithful children who serves him and my lord and Savior with all my heart and soul.
You don't know that the grandparents said anything was bad. All we know is that the children brought things to their grandparents house that the grandparents were not comfortable with. The children asked of their mother the question about if they were bad. That doesn't mean that is what the grandparents said.
Lol

Santa Rosa, CA

#326 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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You do not know what the grandparents said or did. But one thing you should know is that people have a right to speak about their religious beliefs--especially in their own home.
No one has the "right" to indoctrinate someone else's children behind their backs.

That's deception right up there with Satan's own.
Lol

Santa Rosa, CA

#327 Nov 9, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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The parents have the child with them 24 hours a day every day except for the occasional times they are with the grandparents. How can a few sentences from the grandparents override what the parents live and teach their children. My parents had access to my children and told them Baptist stuff all the time. The children were unaffected, and we always discussed what the grandparents said and checked it out in the Bible. The children grew up with our values and beliefs, not their grandparents.
You never know what seeds of doubt and fear can be sown in a child with just a few words, especially if it's from a grandparent that they love and trust.

My friend's daughter spent time with an aunt that she loved very much who in just a few days wrecked her sense of well-being by telling her that girls who are heavy are worth less than slim ones. She used bible scriptures in a twisted way to show her this.

It took that child many years and many tears to overcome that sense of lack that was instilled in her by a few careless words even though she had parents who loved her and spent much time refuting those nasty lies.

So, you never know what will come from someone pushing their own beliefs on someone else's child, do you? All you have is your own experience and you still can't really know how your children feel in their hearts. They may feel something and not tell you because it would hurt you.

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