Urantia books perspective on Jesus at...

Urantia books perspective on Jesus atonement and sacrifice.

Created by MakesTheTruthHisOwn on Sep 11, 2012

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Since: Aug 12

Montréal, Canada

#1 Sep 11, 2012
(2016.6) 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”

(2016.7) 188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.

(2016.8) 188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him.*

(2016.9) 188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.

(2016.10) 188:4.5 The animal nature — the tendency toward evil-doing — may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature.*

(2017.1) 188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.

(2017.2) 188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.

(2017.3) 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

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#2 Sep 11, 2012
Matthew 26:28
King James Version (KJV)

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Ziggy Stardust

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Sep 11, 2012
Urantia was made up by me and some other starman while teasing JWs one night over cards. Sorry!

Since: Aug 12

Montréal, Canada

#4 Sep 11, 2012
Kevin 321 wrote:
Matthew 26:28
King James Version (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
This was Matthew's perspective not Jesus. It was written over 30 years after Jesus death with but a few notes they took along the way. Not definitive in my book nor a source that I can put my faith in.

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#5 Sep 11, 2012
Ziggy Stardust wrote:
Urantia was made up by me and some other starman while teasing JWs one night over cards. Sorry!
you're probably not even old enough to remember when bowie came out with the album.
Ziggy Stardust

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Sep 11, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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you're probably not even old enough to remember when bowie came out with the album.
I was around, they wanted to crush my sweet hands!

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#7 Sep 11, 2012
Ziggy Stardust wrote:
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I was around, they wanted to crush my sweet hands!
that would make you at least 57 yrs old

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#8 Sep 11, 2012
MakesTheTruthHisOwn wrote:
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This was Matthew's perspective not Jesus. It was written over 30 years after Jesus death with but a few notes they took along the way. Not definitive in my book nor a source that I can put my faith in.
What do you consider a "source"?

I would say Matthew was an excellent source.

Matthew was 30 years later, Urantia's messengers were 2000 yrs later.
Ziggy Stardust

Albuquerque, NM

#9 Sep 11, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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that would make you at least 57 yrs old
yep, at least, In fact i was "Face to face with the man who sold the world" (Bowie reference to those who dont know)

but really we were only kidding about Urantia! Its not real. I think? at least its not on our starmap!
Georgia Hull

Burkesville, KY

#10 Sep 13, 2012
The Newly Reformed Christain Church of the Urantia Book is the futre of mankind and it's relation to the spirit world. This book is revelation.
MAMMON

United States

#11 Sep 13, 2012
I can actually see this catching on in a far off distance future. I already see people more and more willing to dismiss religion and all its outdated crap and rules that make no sense. I think the bible and religion causes more problems than it solves. I hope my future research doesn't show up this to be some quack science fiction writer BS. It does have my attention tho and the fact its been around for a while and I've never heard of it I find interesting.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#13 Jan 12, 2013
The author of the Urantia book failed to grasp the true nature of reality and created a fictional universe ruled by an elite who only value a nebulous concept called a "superior race"

The foundation of all that exists is GOD.


Consciousness evolves based on the individual choices made by each entity in relationship to each other and to the whole. EVERY ENTITY EVOLVES TO THE RECOGNITION OF THE WHOLE. NONE ARE LEFT OUT!

Each of us is an essential part of this whole.

Eugenics is a foolish attempt of man to improve on this process that has no beginning and has no end.

The Urantia book tries to explain the nature of the Cosmos in over 2000 pages.

The truth of our existence that can actually be put into words can be summed up in one sentence:

GOD is LOVE, we are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

And even this has to be personally confirmed on an experiential basis to have any meaning!
Stan

Colorado Springs, CO

#14 Sep 13, 2013
The Book: http://urantia-book.org/newbook/

These people sound just like the Scientologists.

I invite everyone to at least read the foreword. Try to keep a straight face when doing so.

Excerpt:

..."I have been directed to formulate this introductory statement in explanation of the meanings which should be attached to certain word symbols as they may be hereinafter used in those papers which the Orvonton corps of truth revealers have been authorized to translate into the English language of Urantia."

I'll bet they issue one roll of aluminum foil and a colander with each book!

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