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Only Idiots call others Idiots for believing differently than they.

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#1 Dec 21, 2012
Madjw, your threads got me thinking on this but it is not aimed at you in particular.

Not a single person on earth can prove without a doubt that what they believe is true. No you can't.
A belief is just that, and it's a choice.

You can argue that you are right because it says this or that in the bible.

But you can't even prove the bible is the word of God, it's a belief.

You can't prove there is a God, it's a belief.

So where it comes to doctrine, how can anyone judge another?

How can anyone say 'I am right you are wrong'?

How can anyone call another an idiot, stupid, or any other collection of names, based on the fact that they believe differently?

How does one justify damning another to whatever eternal punishment he subscribes to, when he can't even prove what he believes is fact?

Most believers here call themselves Christian. Whether JW or not. Does your religion call for the damnation (in whatever form) of groups of people who do not share your belief?

And please, if you think your religion is proven true because you live this way or that and that your religion would never do this or that, better take a step back, because believe it or not there isn't one free of guilt and sin that is talked about in the bible.

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#3 Dec 21, 2012
Excellent post. This is probably as close as topix will get to what I've been saying all along.

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#5 Dec 21, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
Madjw, your threads got me thinking on this but it is not aimed at you in particular.
Not a single person on earth can prove without a doubt that what they believe is true. No you can't.
A belief is just that, and it's a choice.
You can argue that you are right because it says this or that in the bible.
But you can't even prove the bible is the word of God, it's a belief.
You can't prove there is a God, it's a belief.
So where it comes to doctrine, how can anyone judge another?
How can anyone say 'I am right you are wrong'?
How can anyone call another an idiot, stupid, or any other collection of names, based on the fact that they believe differently?
How does one justify damning another to whatever eternal punishment he subscribes to, when he can't even prove what he believes is fact?
Most believers here call themselves Christian. Whether JW or not. Does your religion call for the damnation (in whatever form) of groups of people who do not share your belief?
And please, if you think your religion is proven true because you live this way or that and that your religion would never do this or that, better take a step back, because believe it or not there isn't one free of guilt and sin that is talked about in the bible.
Actually therer is ample proof. The proof simply has to suffice for someone. Someone can say prove bears exist, you show them a bear, they can outright say that's not a bear if they are not satisfied.

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#7 Dec 21, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Actually therer is ample proof. The proof simply has to suffice for someone. Someone can say prove bears exist, you show them a bear, they can outright say that's not a bear if they are not satisfied.
That is ridiculous. You can see the bear.
But you are as usual missing the whole point.
There may very well be a God, but you can't prove it. You don't have to, that's your belief. However, to call someone stupid or an idiot because the see it differently than you is most likely a 'sin'.

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#8 Dec 21, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
<quoted text>
That is ridiculous. You can see the bear.
But you are as usual missing the whole point.
There may very well be a God, but you can't prove it. You don't have to, that's your belief. However, to call someone stupid or an idiot because the see it differently than you is most likely a 'sin'.
Ha, yup! Sure is, you can see all the evidence that the bible is from God, you can see all the evidence that indeed there is a God who exists, but if it doesn't suffice, what can you do?
Someone would say you idiot don't you see the bear in front of you!?
Well, I say you idiot don't you see all the evidence that God exist and the bible exclusively is from Him?

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#9 Dec 21, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
<quoted text>
That is ridiculous. You can see the bear.
But you are as usual missing the whole point.
There may very well be a God, but you can't prove it. You don't have to, that's your belief. However, to call someone stupid or an idiot because the see it differently than you is most likely a 'sin'.
Does your opinion also apply to those who call Witnesses "stupid" based on our beliefs?

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#10 Dec 21, 2012
"Not a single person on earth can prove without a doubt that what they believe is true. No you can't.
A belief is just that, and it's a choice."

MM has Jesus LYING by saying that...

yawn

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#11 Dec 21, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
"Not a single person on earth can prove without a doubt that what they believe is true. No you can't.
A belief is just that, and it's a choice."
MM has Jesus LYING by saying that...
yawn
So you use a person from the book you can't prove is real to try to make a point.

Why not admit that people believe differently and just because someone does not believe the same as you does not make them an idiot.

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#12 Dec 21, 2012
florida native wrote:
<quoted text>
Does your opinion also apply to those who call Witnesses "stupid" based on our beliefs?
Absolutely, this was not directed at the witnesses at all. Im talking all religions, all beliefs.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#13 Dec 22, 2012
only those who have seen God or have his Holy Spirit can prove God exists.

there are two different kinds of spirit, one is unclean spirit.
Kenia

Warwick, RI

#14 Dec 22, 2012
I agree ppl need to b tolerant to others beliefs and not bash anyone for believing differently ..
Respect one another .. And behave like so called christians that you claim you are
Reality

Tucker, GA

#15 Dec 22, 2012
But, when a JW says, I believe X and the Bible does not teach X, and they claim their religion is based on the Bible, that's the source of the problem.

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#17 Dec 22, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
But you can't even prove the bible is the word of God, it's a belief.
The Bible was written over a 1600 year period by approximately 40 men. The time of the writing was from 1500 BC to AD 100.

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Various people claim to find contradictions but they have to take verses out of context to do so. When looking at the Bible as a whole and understanding its teachings there are no contradictions. This is amazing when one considers that the Bible was written over such a long period of time.

Without God this would not be possible.

Also,Prophecy alone proves the bible to be true.

I didn't know you felt that way MM. Alittle research will help you out.If you need some help I'll try to hook you up some links.

CT

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#18 Dec 22, 2012
Christian Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible was written over a 1600 year period by approximately 40 men. The time of the writing was from 1500 BC to AD 100.

There are no contradictions in the Bible. Various people claim to find contradictions but they have to take verses out of context to do so. When looking at the Bible as a whole and understanding its teachings there are no contradictions. This is amazing when one considers that the Bible was written over such a long period of time.

Without God this would not be possible.

Also,Prophecy alone proves the bible to be true.

I didn't know you felt that way MM. Alittle research will help you out.If you need some help I'll try to hook you up some links.

CT
No Trucker, I agree with you about the contradictions. It's the religions that say it says different things.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#20 Dec 22, 2012
The word "idiot" is a legitamate word, with different shades of meaning.

Ironically idiots usually deny the EXISTANCE of idiots...

making sweeping claims with no facts certainly isn't a sign of intelligence, MM!

Since: Aug 12

Canada

#21 Dec 22, 2012
Sorry trucker. Make a thread and I'll fill it with contradictions and innaccuracies. I'll prove it's not gods word but mans.

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#23 Dec 22, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
Madjw, your threads got me thinking on this but it is not aimed at you in particular.
Not a single person on earth can prove without a doubt that what they believe is true. No you can't.
A belief is just that, and it's a choice.
You can argue that you are right because it says this or that in the bible.
But you can't even prove the bible is the word of God, it's a belief.
You can't prove there is a God, it's a belief.
So where it comes to doctrine, how can anyone judge another?
How can anyone say 'I am right you are wrong'?
How can anyone call another an idiot, stupid, or any other collection of names, based on the fact that they believe differently?
How does one justify damning another to whatever eternal punishment he subscribes to, when he can't even prove what he believes is fact?
Most believers here call themselves Christian. Whether JW or not. Does your religion call for the damnation (in whatever form) of groups of people who do not share your belief?
And please, if you think your religion is proven true because you live this way or that and that your religion would never do this or that, better take a step back, because believe it or not there isn't one free of guilt and sin that is talked about in the bible.
Well, this is what Faith is. Heb 11:1 says, "Now faith is being sure of what we HOPE for and certain of what we do not see."
Faith in a religious body or ideas can make people do the unthinkable. But they do it because of faith.

But you're right, no one can dogmatically say they are right and everyone else is wrong because then you'd be dealing with absolute truths, which for us humans we are not privy to.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

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#24 Dec 22, 2012
What a Fallacy, AQrky

ONE Absolute Truth is that God exists.
Another is that he is Love and Justice...

That scripture refers to one who is "CERTAIN".

Being Certain requires solid evidence and facts- otherwise you're talking gullibility and/or Fantasy.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

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#25 Dec 22, 2012
Rom 1:19- For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20- For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

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#27 Dec 22, 2012
Arkham Bravo wrote:
<quoted text>Well, this is what Faith is. Heb 11:1 says, "Now faith is being sure of what we HOPE for and certain of what we do not see."
Faith in a religious body or ideas can make people do the unthinkable. But they do it because of faith.

But you're right, no one can dogmatically say they are right and everyone else is wrong because then you'd be dealing with absolute truths, which for us humans we are not privy to.
Yes and I don't think people are stupid to have faith, it's great and each can believe what their heart tells them. I just think all the judging is ridiculous.

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