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#62 Dec 12, 2009
hollieberry wrote:
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Do you not feel Jesus knows your heart?
Yes, I do. That is why I would never try to put one over on him by having a big, nasty celebration that is really for the sun god and telling him it is for him.

“Bustin' Myths”

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#63 Dec 12, 2009
I was told by a JW that one reason they don't celebrate birthdays is because it centers the mind on one person and exalts the creature. She quoted Romans 1:25 as to why this is wrong.

My question to her was and is, "Then why is it OK to celebrate anniversaries, bridal showers, graduations, and baby showers? Are not one or two or more people put into this exalted status?"

She simply said "It's not unscriptural."

I find that explanation and practice to be most hypocritical.

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#64 Dec 12, 2009
Mythbusters wrote:
I was told by a JW that one reason they don't celebrate birthdays is because it centers the mind on one person and exalts the creature. She quoted Romans 1:25 as to why this is wrong.
My question to her was and is, "Then why is it OK to celebrate anniversaries, bridal showers, graduations, and baby showers? Are not one or two or more people put into this exalted status?"
She simply said "It's not unscriptural."
I find that explanation and practice to be most hypocritical.
At a baby shower we just give things to the family to help them get started with their new baby. We don't put anyone on a pedestal and gather around them and admire them and light candles to them and sing to them, and they don't get to make a wish and get it granted.

A baby shower is not to call attention to anyone. It is to help someone. A birthday celebration is a ritual with spiritistic overtones--candles, singing, granting wishes.

We had a "shower" once for a sister who had moved here to help us out in field service. She had left most of her belongings behind. We wanted to help get her set up in her new home.

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#65 Dec 12, 2009
Real Yuni wrote:
You have no idea or proof when Jesus bday is.so what are you celebrating?
Do you have any idea what following Jesus means?
And I am not talking about clicking your heals and yelling Jesus is in my heart 5 times in a row either.
You don't have to answer right away,but at least sit down and think about what your doing.
Love without works is dead.
Feeding people soup once a year during xmas is not going to cut it.
Yuni,

HONORING the birth of Jesus Christ, on the day that has been chosen. Ya know, the JW's use to, right?

;)

Yes, I know exactly what "following Jesus" means. Do you? If you are a JW, you DON'T.

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#66 Dec 12, 2009
Gareth wrote:
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Holy, the WTS is VERY consistent. You just refuse to acknowledge what it is you are doing.
When you celebrate Jesus tat is part of your worship. It dishonours Jesus to celebrate his birth using the traditions of pagan gods.
Wearing a wedding ring does not in any way dishonour Jesus or God. Wearing a wedding ring says nothing at all about the way you feel about Jesus. But using pagan rituals to celebrate Jesus says a lot about how little you respect him.
Now you want to believe that the WTS is not consistent in this because that is what you have been told.
But it is simply not true. Mixing pagan religion with WORSHIP is bad bad bad.
But simply doing things that pagans also happen to have done means nothing to anyone (except apostates and people with an anti-JW agenda).
How do you know celebrating our Lord and Saviors birth dishonors Jesus? Did God tell you that? NO!
So, you do NOT know!
It does NOT say in the Bible either way, so you CANNOT say this. My conscience is VERY clear, is yours?

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#67 Dec 12, 2009
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yes, I do. That is why I would never try to put one over on him by having a big, nasty celebration that is really for the sun god and telling him it is for him.
I am not trying to "put on over on Him", lol!

Where does it say in the Bible that Christmas is a "big nasty celebration"?
Haven't found that one.

Until you can show me scripture where it says "do not celebrate holidays", I will continue to honor Jesus Christ in my way.

And not let any man on earth control my thoughts and actions.

Oh........except for "JESUS CHRIST".

;)

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#68 Dec 12, 2009
eagleeye2 wrote:
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At a baby shower we just give things to the family to help them get started with their new baby. We don't put anyone on a pedestal and gather around them and admire them and light candles to them and sing to them, and they don't get to make a wish and get it granted.
A baby shower is not to call attention to anyone. It is to help someone. A birthday celebration is a ritual with spiritistic overtones--candles, singing, granting wishes.
We had a "shower" once for a sister who had moved here to help us out in field service. She had left most of her belongings behind. We wanted to help get her set up in her new home.
Typical JW reply. Ignore the parts of the argument that they don't have an answer for that doesn't make them look like a hypocrite. How about replying to why it's ok to celebrate anniversaries and graduation parties, with gifts, if a JW is not to supposed to exalt the creature.

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#69 Dec 12, 2009
eagleeye2 wrote:
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At a baby shower we just give things to the family to help them get started with their new baby. We don't put anyone on a pedestal and gather around them and admire them and light candles to them and sing to them, and they don't get to make a wish and get it granted.
A baby shower is not to call attention to anyone. It is to help someone. A birthday celebration is a ritual with spiritistic overtones--candles, singing, granting wishes.
We had a "shower" once for a sister who had moved here to help us out in field service. She had left most of her belongings behind. We wanted to help get her set up in her new home.
How horrible, candles, wishes and singing,

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

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#70 Dec 12, 2009
Mythbusters wrote:
I was told by a JW that one reason they don't celebrate birthdays is because it centers the mind on one person and exalts the creature. She quoted Romans 1:25 as to why this is wrong.
My question to her was and is, "Then why is it OK to celebrate anniversaries, bridal showers, graduations, and baby showers? Are not one or two or more people put into this exalted status?"
She simply said "It's not unscriptural."

I find that explanation and practice to be most hypocritical.
As far as I know, every human being on this earth has a birth "day". If the reason that you were told (as I was too :o) why the WTS expects their followers not to celebrate this day because it "exalts their status"....

then this "exaltation" only lasts for one day (I would call it being reminded of the joy being directed at a person that they are with us)....everyone knows this "exaltation" is short-lived...and nobody is left out anyway, because EVERY PERSON HAS A BIRTH DAY! So just what is the big deal that makes it a WTS "no-no"?

It really makes no sense.

Also.....I attended many birthday celebrations before I was baptized at the age of 30....and I can truthfully state that NOT ONE PERSON was ever beheaded at any of these.
Enlightened

Sullivan, MO

#71 Dec 12, 2009
I do agree with you about some of the wedding customs and have brought up some of those things myself. It's not weddings that have Pagan origins, but some of the customs used in some weddings. Jesus was at a wedding party. I'm sure that someone here knows what the ancient Hebrew customs were regarding weddings. I've never really been interested enough to delve into it. I do understand the feelings and reasons of many JW customs or lack of, but I don't always understand the splitting of hairs that allows some things that started out Pagan, and doesn't allow others.
As for baby showers, who knows how they would react. It's ok now, but I don't know if it will be ok later. Things change all the time.
Enlightened

Sullivan, MO

#72 Dec 12, 2009
The Birthday thing and the Mother and Father's day things do not make sense. Sure, some bad things happened on a couple of birthdays mentioned in the Bible, but I think that they were mentioned not to make birthdays look bad, but to show what some bad people did and the fact that it was a birthday really had nothing to do with it. They'd have done bad and found a different day to do it, if there had been no birthday to make use of. It's their wickedness that is highlighted, not the birthday. The fact that birthdays were mentioned at all leads me to believe that the celebration of birthdays was probably a common thing. But each to their own conscience. What I really have a problem understanding is how Romans 1:25 has anything at all to do with Mother and Father's days. If you read the whole chapter and not just the one verse out of context as so many are apt to do, then you see that it's talking about having no righteousness at all, and only bad. There is nothing unrighteous about honoring your parents with something a little special one day beyond the usual honor you must accord them. There is no disgraceful sexual appetite in giving mom or dad a nice dinner on a specific day, etc. It also doesn't say that you can't do it any other day as well. I have heard some say that you are supposed to honor your parents every day, not just once a year. True, but there is nothing saying that you can't do that and give them an extra special day too. I certainly do not equate that with doing an act of worship. If you think that taking mom out for dinner and maybe buying her flowers is an act of worship or veneration, then you have a pretty twisted sense of what worship is.
I guess if the heart is bad, and you are looking for bad in everything, you will probably find it, if you have to invent it yourself.

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#73 Dec 14, 2009
Enlightened wrote:
The Birthday thing and the Mother and Father's day things do not make sense. Sure, some bad things happened on a couple of birthdays mentioned in the Bible, but I think that they were mentioned not to make birthdays look bad, but to show what some bad people did and the fact that it was a birthday really had nothing to do with it. They'd have done bad and found a different day to do it, if there had been no birthday to make use of. It's their wickedness that is highlighted, not the birthday. The fact that birthdays were mentioned at all leads me to believe that the celebration of birthdays was probably a common thing. But each to their own conscience. What I really have a problem understanding is how Romans 1:25 has anything at all to do with Mother and Father's days. If you read the whole chapter and not just the one verse out of context as so many are apt to do, then you see that it's talking about having no righteousness at all, and only bad. There is nothing unrighteous about honoring your parents with something a little special one day beyond the usual honor you must accord them. There is no disgraceful sexual appetite in giving mom or dad a nice dinner on a specific day, etc. It also doesn't say that you can't do it any other day as well. I have heard some say that you are supposed to honor your parents every day, not just once a year. True, but there is nothing saying that you can't do that and give them an extra special day too. I certainly do not equate that with doing an act of worship. If you think that taking mom out for dinner and maybe buying her flowers is an act of worship or veneration, then you have a pretty twisted sense of what worship is.
I guess if the heart is bad, and you are looking for bad in everything, you will probably find it, if you have to invent it yourself.
Just to be clear, it was a JW that quoted Romans 1:25 to me, in or out of context. Still doesn't explain why anniversaries and graduations are ok to celebrate and b-day parties aren't.

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#74 Dec 15, 2009
Mythbusters wrote:
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Just to be clear, it was a JW that quoted Romans 1:25 to me, in or out of context. Still doesn't explain why anniversaries and graduations are ok to celebrate and b-day parties aren't.
Myth, my cousin Beth is a JW. she told me that the anniversaries are ok to celebrate because you are celebrating a union of marriage that is an arraingement by God. I forgot to ask her about graduations. I will.

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#75 Dec 15, 2009
i can't believe that some of you are still having a problem with something as simple and nice as a baby shower.there is no hocus pocus or chanting or anything ritual or spiriyual about it. it is simply something that women do for other women that are expecting a child.it is more a fun gesture of kindness than anything else.

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#76 Dec 15, 2009
As birthdays, Christmas, anniversaries, etc...are.

;)

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#77 Dec 15, 2009
hollieberry wrote:
As birthdays, Christmas, anniversaries, etc...are.
;)
Which brings us full circle back to the idea of sending Mothers Day and Fathers Day cards or gifts....that the WTS persuades their followers is somehow offensive to God. I don't know of ANY Mom or Dad that would receive a card on those days and look at them with disdain and disgust. I would think they would be met with a smile.

These "cannots and do nots" required by MEN....are not so subtle tools used to create a gap in family relationships and to drive a wedge between the nonJW parents and their JW children.

These have nothing to DO with "offending God" as the WTS likes to throw out there to cleverly manipulate their follower's minds and hearts into doing whatever they dictate. And it works.

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#78 Dec 15, 2009
hollieberry wrote:
As birthdays, Christmas, anniversaries, etc...are.
;)
although at my age i really don't care about celebrating my own birthday i do enjoy celebrating other people's birthday. i also celebrate both yule and christmas,anniversaries,hallow een [samhaim],etc. i find all of them alot of fun.
dalencia

Midland, TX

#79 Oct 8, 2012
if you are celebreting christmas then you have to think about the pagans that did the same thing,because why are doing it if your not thinking about why you are


i dont mean to be ofensive but you know what say "the truth hurts"

oh yeah i just want to tell my age and my name

9yrs
my name is Dalencia Brown

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#80 Dec 5, 2012
Maybe, times are different. Or perhaps certain cultures do it differently, But, when i was coming up, baby showers were just for the ladies. That's it.

Now, everyone goes. Men and women. Then they break out the music afterwards. It just seems odd.

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Has anyone of you seen that trend your way?

Or is it just here on some parts of the East coast?.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#81 Dec 5, 2012
El cacique wrote:
Maybe, times are different. Or perhaps certain cultures do it differently, But, when i was coming up, baby showers were just for the ladies. That's it.
Now, everyone goes. Men and women. Then they break out the music afterwards. It just seems odd.
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Has anyone of you seen that trend your way?
Or is it just here on some parts of the East coast?.
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