“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#21 Sep 16, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>so if someone has a meal with a DF person for apostacy even a realive they will not be called into the back room.
Some parents have asked their kids to leave the family home because of they are DF, the point is they choose between the WT and their family and under constant pressure by the GB in Wt articles not to associate with DF ones including family, did you go to the DC this year, there as a part on being faithful to Jehovah by chosing between the DF family member and your loyalty to Jehovah, they may not come right out and say YOUR a gonna if you dare break this rule but the psyological pressure is there constantly in WT articles and at DC, and in talks.
If people make a choice it is to follow the clear instructions in the Bible, something you don't respect:

*** 1 Cor 5:11-13 But as it is, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone who is called a brother who is a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. Do not even eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges. "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves."

The fact that you people COMPLETELY IGNORE the scriptures is the biggest clue to your apostasy. You pretend to be all "Bible this and Bible that" but when it comes down to it you don't care what the Bible says. You only care about hating on Jehovah's Witnesses.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#22 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
If people make a choice it is to follow the clear instructions in the Bible, something you don't respect:
*** 1 Cor 5:11-13 But as it is, I wrote to you not to associate with anyone who is called a brother who is a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner. Do not even eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges. "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves."
The fact that you people COMPLETELY IGNORE the scriptures is the biggest clue to your apostasy. You pretend to be all "Bible this and Bible that" but when it comes down to it you don't care what the Bible says. You only care about hating on Jehovah's Witnesses.
Momma is not a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner.

Momma just happened to find out about THIS:

In 1992, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York applied to be a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) Associate Member of the United Nations Department of Public Information (UN DPI) and remained so until 2001. This is the closest relationship an NGO can form with the UN. The application was renewed annually and is a matter of public record.

As a result, she severed ties with the Watchtower for what she considers a hypocritical and dishonest chapter of the religion's history.

Because of that, she receives THIS...

So how are you dealing with the day-to-day responsibility to shun?

"I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. Itís not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I donít visit her. The children donít visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home."

In what way?

"Well, last week they called me to ask if I would come in to visit my mother. I told them absolutely not. They then said she had been crying for her children and grandchildren, and she wasnít doing so well. They had a difficult time understanding, worldly people often do, but I remained adamant. I said I was sorry that my mother was lonely and crying and that I didnít wish her any extra pain, but I had to remain loyal to Jehovah. She would just have to work it through herself."

Do you ever feel tempted to give in?

"I do at times. I think about the sacrifices she made for us kids. I think about the kidney she gave me. She never said a mean word to any of us. I did feel like my resolve was going to crumble for a while, but then I went to the district convention this summer and I was up-built. The brother reminded us that Jehovah wants our loyalty, and that may mean shunning those who have done the most for us. It wasnít my choice to shun my mother but her choice to leave Jehovah. Iím committed to remaining steadfast to Jehovah."

That is truly an encouraging story! Your example is proof that we can remain loyal even if it means letting our mothers die alone in a nursing home. May Jehovah continue to bless your efforts.

Friends, when your loyalty is put to the test, will you be like Sister Phillipsís mother, or will you be like Sister Phillips?

May we all remain strong in these last days and continue to show our loyalty by shunning those we love.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#23 Sep 16, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Momma is not a sexual sinner, or covetous, or an idolater, or a slanderer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner.
Momma just happened to find out about THIS:
In 1992, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York applied to be a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) Associate Member of the United Nations Department of Public Information (UN DPI) and remained so until 2001. This is the closest relationship an NGO can form with the UN. The application was renewed annually and is a matter of public record.
As a result, she severed ties with the Watchtower for what she considers a hypocritical and dishonest chapter of the religion's history.
Because of that, she receives THIS...
So how are you dealing with the day-to-day responsibility to shun?
"I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. Itís not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I donít visit her. The children donít visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home."
In what way?
"Well, last week they called me to ask if I would come in to visit my mother. I told them absolutely not. They then said she had been crying for her children and grandchildren, and she wasnít doing so well. They had a difficult time understanding, worldly people often do, but I remained adamant. I said I was sorry that my mother was lonely and crying and that I didnít wish her any extra pain, but I had to remain loyal to Jehovah. She would just have to work it through herself."
Do you ever feel tempted to give in?
"I do at times. I think about the sacrifices she made for us kids. I think about the kidney she gave me. She never said a mean word to any of us. I did feel like my resolve was going to crumble for a while, but then I went to the district convention this summer and I was up-built. The brother reminded us that Jehovah wants our loyalty, and that may mean shunning those who have done the most for us. It wasnít my choice to shun my mother but her choice to leave Jehovah. Iím committed to remaining steadfast to Jehovah."
That is truly an encouraging story! Your example is proof that we can remain loyal even if it means letting our mothers die alone in a nursing home. May Jehovah continue to bless your efforts.
Friends, when your loyalty is put to the test, will you be like Sister Phillipsís mother, or will you be like Sister Phillips?
May we all remain strong in these last days and continue to show our loyalty by shunning those we love.
This "story" is entirely FICTION. Its obviously made up.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#24 Sep 16, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>sorry it is out of date, the WT has stepped up there stance on associating with DF or DA relatives, espcially those accused of aposatcy, the latest DEC WT study article is so highly critical of the media and social networking that say anything derogatory about JW and has virtually said not to watch these probrams, not to read anything negative, of course they never what they are saying, how much more so DF or DA persons.
The WT last year on even discouraging emailing a DF relative.
And one can be DF for eating a meal with a DF person can't they.
It's hard to keep up with what the current thinking of the GB is concerning disfellowshipped relatives. Quoting an article from almost 40 years ago would most likely not reflect the current "counsel" about this.

For awhile, the rules about associating with disfellowshipped ones was changing constantly and it was really difficult to keep up with what a "good JW" was allowed to do.

Seems that Gareth just tries to find a WT quote that will make the JWs look good, even if it doesn't reflect their current thinking.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#25 Sep 16, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
<quoted text>
It's hard to keep up with what the current thinking of the GB is concerning disfellowshipped relatives. Quoting an article from almost 40 years ago would most likely not reflect the current "counsel" about this.
For awhile, the rules about associating with disfellowshipped ones was changing constantly and it was really difficult to keep up with what a "good JW" was allowed to do.
Seems that Gareth just tries to find a WT quote that will make the JWs look good, even if it doesn't reflect their current thinking.
The "rules" have not changed.

The advice given is stronger.

ANY Jehovah's Witnesses faced with a disfellowshipped relative will quickly find the article I posted and know that it is their personal decision.

If they are in doubt they will talk to the elders and the elders will tell them it is a personal decision.

I know of THREE elders who have stated basically what is in the article I posted when questioned about disfellowshipped relatives. That is three entirely independent situations in different geographic locations.

All in recent years.
Eunich Phil

Goshen, NY

#26 Sep 16, 2013
It's an ideal day for dreaming up ways to invest money in your home and family. If you can't spare much cash you might buy a bunch of flowers for one of the rooms or hunt out some bargains in your local market. If you can afford more than that you might want to consider buying some new soft furnishings or some beautiful artifacts.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#27 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
This "story" is entirely FICTION. Its obviously made up.
Are you saying that no one is shunned by their JW family when they find out about the Watchtower Society's involvement with the United Nations and has severed ties with the Watchtower for what they consider a hypocritical and dishonest chapter of the religion's history?

They aren't shunned because they are no longer a Jehovah's Witness because they severed ties with the Watchtower Society?

Is that what you are claiming?
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#28 Sep 16, 2013
Momma left Jehovah because she believed an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society had joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization...

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/united-nati...

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#29 Sep 16, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that no one is shunned by their JW family when they find out about the Watchtower Society's involvement with the United Nations and has severed ties with the Watchtower for what they consider a hypocritical and dishonest chapter of the religion's history?
They aren't shunned because they are no longer a Jehovah's Witness because they severed ties with the Watchtower Society?
Is that what you are claiming?
Its got nothing to do with the Watchtower Society. Its about Jehovah's Witnesses.

People are only disfellowshipped according to the instructions given in the Bible.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#30 Sep 16, 2013
UNchained wrote:
Momma left Jehovah because she believed an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society had joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization...
The story is totally bogus.

No one is disfellowshipped for believing that the WTS was registered with the DPI for ten years. They openly admitted that they were registered with the DPI for 10 years.

No one is disfellowshipped just because they happen to know that fact.
Stingo

Brantford, Canada

#31 Sep 16, 2013
The site is pure satire, and brilliant, and funny as anything. I will say that for all the bogus stories, some hit pretty close to home. I could write a smurf one, but it would be true.

Read the one about the child putting the kitty on reproof. You'll die laughing

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#32 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
It still remains a personal decision now just as much as it has always been.
Yeah, as much as it has always been, which is not at all. You either shun or you are labeled as weak by Watchtower henchmen and treated badly by others in the congregation.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#33 Sep 16, 2013
Stingo wrote:
The site is pure satire, and brilliant, and funny as anything. I will say that for all the bogus stories, some hit pretty close to home. I could write a smurf one, but it would be true.
Read the one about the child putting the kitty on reproof. You'll die laughing
That one is good, but you really need to read the one about the brother who survived Nazi persecution only to be disfellowshipped for smoking.

Satirical, yes, but true.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#34 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The story is totally bogus.
No one is disfellowshipped for believing that the WTS was registered with the DPI for ten years. They openly admitted that they were registered with the DPI for 10 years.
No one is disfellowshipped just because they happen to know that fact.
I know 3 JW's who were disfellowshiped because they told other JW's that the Watchtower Society was registered with the UN/DPI.

5 families became 'inactive' when they learned about the WTBTS and the UN.

They are currently being shunned by other JW's.
very smart scientist

Hoffman Estates, IL

#35 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The story is totally bogus.
No one is disfellowshipped for believing that the WTS was registered with the DPI for ten years. They openly admitted that they were registered with the DPI for 10 years.
No one is disfellowshipped just because they happen to know that fact.
They were forced to admit it after being exposed.They quickly withdrew didn't they?If it weren't wrong why did they withdraw their membership?Why didn't they openly inform the jw's at all the kh's that they were involved with the U.N. while they were bashing them as a harlot? Wake up kid and smell the roses.
ChristOnly

Sacramento, CA

#36 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
That's obviously a contrived "story". It doesn't even read naturally.
*** w74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones ***
21 As to disfellowshiped family members (not minor sons or daughters) living outside the home, each family must decide to what extent they will have association with such ones. This is not something that the congregational elders can decide for them. What the elders are concerned with is that ďleavenĒ is not reintroduced into the congregation through spiritual fellowshiping with those who had to be removed as such ďleaven.Ē Thus, if a disfellowshiped parent goes to visit a son or daughter or to see grandchildren and is allowed to enter the Christian home, this is not the concern of the elders. Such a one has a natural right to visit his blood relatives and his offspring. Similarly, when sons or daughters render honor to a parent, though disfellowshiped, by calling to see how such a oneís physical health is or what needs he or she may have, this act in itself is not a spiritual fellowshiping.
===
Maybe you didn't read these:

ďReally, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else Ė including the family bond.Ö Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail. Watchtower 2013 Jan 15 p.16

ďAnd all members of the congregation need to be determined to avoid the company of disfellowshipped individuals.Ē Watchtower 2011 Nov 15 p.5

Any organization dictating to grown people not to speak to individuals who decide to leave their religion is a cult and has no alliance with Christ.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#37 Sep 16, 2013
UNchained wrote:
We asked Sister Phillips what it was like growing up with her mother.
"She was a wonderful mother and faithful sister. My father died young, and she was left with four children to care for. Things were rough. My mother worked two jobs and still found time to study with us for every meeting."
So what went wrong?
"Well, some years ago my mother read an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization. An NGO. She believed it. I was appalled. How could she believe such slander? The Watchtower always taught us that the United Nations was the scarlet colored wild beast and in direct opposition to Jehovahís kingdom. They would never do such a thing.
Instead of just dismissing these false accusations, she kept reading. Sadly, she concluded that the Watchtower did not have the Truth, and she left the organization. My siblings and my children all shun her. She has never met my grandchildren. Itís hard, you know? Sheís my mother, but sheís a corrupting influence. Her heart is just bankrupt, and thatís very difficult to accept."
Thatís such a betrayal! It kind of makes everything she ever did for you not really mean anything.
"Exactly. Itís all washed away like dust in the wind."
So how are you dealing with the day-to-day responsibility to shun?
"I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. Itís not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I donít visit her. The children donít visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home."
In what way?
"Well, last week they called me to ask if I would come in to visit my mother. I told them absolutely not. They then said she had been crying for her children and grandchildren, and she wasnít doing so well. They had a difficult time understanding, worldly people often do, but I remained adamant. I said I was sorry that my mother was lonely and crying and that I didnít wish her any extra pain, but I had to remain loyal to Jehovah. She would just have to work it through herself."
Do you ever feel tempted to give in?
"I do at times. I think about the sacrifices she made for us kids. I think about the kidney she gave me. She never said a mean word to any of us. I did feel like my resolve was going to crumble for a while, but then I went to the district convention this summer and I was up-built. The brother reminded us that Jehovah wants our loyalty, and that may mean shunning those who have done the most for us. It wasnít my choice to shun my mother but her choice to leave Jehovah. Iím committed to remaining steadfast to Jehovah."
That is truly an encouraging story! Your example is proof that we can remain loyal even if it means letting our mothers die alone in a nursing home. May Jehovah continue to bless your efforts.
Friends, when your loyalty is put to the test, will you be like Sister Phillipsís mother, or will you be like Sister Phillips?
May we all remain strong in these last days and continue to show our loyalty by shunning those we love.
http://jehovahstrumpet.com/faithful-daughter-...
.
. The question is..loyalty to whom?? had she never discerned that the mother had never left GOD.. she left an organization of MEN... OF whom..we have been told by GOD..not to put our faith in.. the fact of the matter is.. the church..is NOT GOD..

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#38 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The story is totally bogus.
No one is disfellowshipped for believing that the WTS was registered with the DPI for ten years. They openly admitted that they were registered with the DPI for 10 years.
No one is disfellowshipped just because they happen to know that fact.
.
. Disfellowshipped?? there is a vast difference in being kicked to the curb...and walking away from a man made Org...

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#39 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Its got nothing to do with the Watchtower Society. Its about Jehovah's Witnesses.
People are only disfellowshipped according to the instructions given in the Bible.
.
Bull pucky.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#40 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
That's obviously a contrived "story". It doesn't even read naturally.
Then there's the case of the kitten that got disfellowshipped for bad behaviour...

Heh. Obviously JW's are so gullible they don't recognise satire when they see it. http://jehovahstrumpet.com/

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