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FutureMan

Brisbane, Australia

#182 Sep 17, 2013
This scripture here in reference to the Christian belief system is the only grounds for apostasy.

This is the context of the scripture that you have quoted from previously.

2 John 1
5 ¶ And I now request you, lady, not writing as a new commandment, but one which we had from the beginning, that we should love one another.
6 And this is love, that we should walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, even as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
7 ¶ Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch yourselves, that we may not lose the things we worked out, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ, this one has the Father and the Son.
10 ¶ If anyone comes to you and does not bear this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, and do not speak a greeting to him.
11 For the one speaking a greeting shares in his evil works.

To operative sentences are here in these verses and that is "that we should love one another" and "The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ, this one has the Father and the Son."

So to love one another is actually a "commandment" and to "abide in the doctrine of Christ" a requirement for all who would call themselves Christian.

So just what is the doctrine of Christ, is it the doctrine of the apostles or is it the doctrine of Christ that determines whether one is an apostate or not?

Remember the Apostles were imperfect men just like you and me and not everything they have written was 100 percent correct, even written under the influence of the Holy Spirit.

In this matter perhaps we should all refer to this statement of the apostle Paul.

1 Corinthians 3
1 ¶ And, brothers, I was not able to speak to you as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly ones, as to babes in Christ.
2 I gave you milk to drink, and not food, for you were not then able, for neither are you yet able now.
3 For you are yet fleshly. For where among you is jealousy, and strife, and divisions, are you not fleshly and walk according to man?
4 For when one may say, Truly I am of Paul, and another, I of Apollos; are you not fleshly?
5 ¶ What then is Paul? And what Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, and to each as the Lord gave?
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God made to grow.[LITV]

So who are we now following, are we following the commandments of imperfect men or are we "abiding by the teachings of Christ"?
FutureMan

Brisbane, Australia

#183 Sep 17, 2013
FutureMan wrote:
This scripture here in reference to the Christian belief system is the only grounds for apostasy.
This is the context of the scripture that you have quoted from previously.
2 John 1
5 ¶ And I now request you, lady, not writing as a new commandment, but one which we had from the beginning, that we should love one another.
6 And this is love, that we should walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, even as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
7 ¶ Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.
8 Watch yourselves, that we may not lose the things we worked out, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Everyone transgressing and not abiding in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ, this one has the Father and the Son.
10 ¶ If anyone comes to you and does not bear this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, and do not speak a greeting to him.
11 For the one speaking a greeting shares in his evil works.
To operative sentences are here in these verses and that is "that we should love one another" and "The one abiding in the doctrine of Christ, this one has the Father and the Son."
So to love one another is actually a "commandment" and to "abide in the doctrine of Christ" a requirement for all who would call themselves Christian.
So just what is the doctrine of Christ, is it the doctrine of the apostles or is it the doctrine of Christ that determines whether one is an apostate or not?
Remember the Apostles were imperfect men just like you and me and not everything they have written was 100 percent correct, even written under the influence of the Holy Spirit.
In this matter perhaps we should all refer to this statement of the apostle Paul.
1 Corinthians 3
1 ¶ And, brothers, I was not able to speak to you as to spiritual ones, but as to fleshly ones, as to babes in Christ.
2 I gave you milk to drink, and not food, for you were not then able, for neither are you yet able now.
3 For you are yet fleshly. For where among you is jealousy, and strife, and divisions, are you not fleshly and walk according to man?
4 For when one may say, Truly I am of Paul, and another, I of Apollos; are you not fleshly?
5 ¶ What then is Paul? And what Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, and to each as the Lord gave?
6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God made to grow.[LITV]
So who are we now following, are we following the commandments of imperfect men or are we "abiding by the teachings of Christ"?
Sorry, the previous post was in reference to Aneirin's post.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#184 Sep 17, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Someday Jehovah's people will make THE WHOLE WORLD a beautiful place!
And there will be no jealous complainers and whiners.
What happens to you if you reject getting baptised? Times a wast'n better hurry!
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#185 Sep 17, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses make those things free of charge as volunteers.
You can live beautifully and modestly at the same time.
That's what Tammy Fay and Jim Baker said while running their 501c3 church.

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#186 Sep 17, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Liar. Not even the Governing Body have any of the money belonging to the NON PROFIT organization called the Watchtower Society.
NO ONE has that money. It is managed IN TRUST on behalf of Jehovah's Witnesses who donated it to be spent in furthering the preaching and teaching work ordered by Jesus Christ.
Naturally Tinky Winky keep on dreaming in you imaginary teletubbie land.....

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#187 Sep 17, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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*** 2 John 1:10,11 If anyone comes to you, and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not welcome him, for he who welcomes him participates in his evil works.
And it's for God to decide how He would judge him, not the self appointed claiming anointed, aka the Governing Body of JW's

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#188 Sep 17, 2013
sonny wrote:
Trying to make my dog understand about certain rules of the house is much much easier than debating the bible with my jw relatives.
They know everything despite the little education they have, they always have an answer for everything but seem to know very little about the watchtower org own history.
Whatever happens in the congregation if its not good they will turn their backs and pretend nothing happened.
That's why they are such good sheeps... As stupid as you can find them...

“Life is short, enjoy life.:-).”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#189 Sep 18, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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I think it is obvious
LOL... I am sure it's obvious you don't think...
Erik

Falkirk, UK

#190 Sep 18, 2013
UNchained wrote:
We asked Sister Phillips what it was like growing up with her mother.
"She was a wonderful mother and faithful sister. My father died young, and she was left with four children to care for. Things were rough. My mother worked two jobs and still found time to study with us for every meeting."
So what went wrong?
"Well, some years ago my mother read an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization. An NGO. She believed it. I was appalled. How could she believe such slander? The Watchtower always taught us that the United Nations was the scarlet colored wild beast and in direct opposition to Jehovah’s kingdom. They would never do such a thing.
Instead of just dismissing these false accusations, she kept reading. Sadly, she concluded that the Watchtower did not have the Truth, and she left the organization. My siblings and my children all shun her. She has never met my grandchildren. It’s hard, you know? She’s my mother, but she’s a corrupting influence. Her heart is just bankrupt, and that’s very difficult to accept."
That’s such a betrayal! It kind of makes everything she ever did for you not really mean anything.
"Exactly. It’s all washed away like dust in the wind."
So how are you dealing with the day-to-day responsibility to shun?
"I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. It’s not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I don’t visit her. The children don’t visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home."
In what way?
"Well, last week they called me to ask if I would come in to visit my mother. I told them absolutely not. They then said she had been crying for her children and grandchildren, and she wasn’t doing so well. They had a difficult time understanding, worldly people often do, but I remained adamant. I said I was sorry that my mother was lonely and crying and that I didn’t wish her any extra pain, but I had to remain loyal to Jehovah. She would just have to work it through herself."
Do you ever feel tempted to give in?
"I do at times. I think about the sacrifices she made for us kids. I think about the kidney she gave me. She never said a mean word to any of us. I did feel like my resolve was going to crumble for a while, but then I went to the district convention this summer and I was up-built. The brother reminded us that Jehovah wants our loyalty, and that may mean shunning those who have done the most for us. It wasn’t my choice to shun my mother but her choice to leave Jehovah. I’m committed to remaining steadfast to Jehovah."
...
If you had the love of Christ in you, you won't shun your mom; she brought in this world and brought you up, you sucked her breast and she did everything she could, yet are so evil that you shun her, you don't even visit her; shame on!

If you knew what 'MERCI' and 'REAL LOVE' is, then your heart would melt in kindness and good deed. But this shows how heartless and unloving you JWs are...

I would be so ashamed that I won't even put this story on the forum... Again, shame on you...

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
jace

Arlington, VA

#191 Sep 18, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>That's what Tammy Fay and Jim Baker said while running their 501c3 church.
Stop!!!!!

You being mean to our boy
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#192 Sep 18, 2013
jace wrote:
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Stop!!!!!
You being mean to our boy
Why doen't he just get a job, get baptised, find a nice jw girlfriend and get a life?
jace

Chesapeake, OH

#193 Sep 18, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>Why doen't he just get a job, get baptised, find a nice jw girlfriend and get a life?
See you just cold bloodied

Lol

I loved the post
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#194 Sep 18, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>Why doen't he just get a job, get baptised, find a nice jw girlfriend and get a life?
He likes hanging out with opposers of the denomination he defends because it is easier than getting baptised, finding a nice JW girlfriend and getting a life.
Blessed

Wausau, WI

#195 Sep 18, 2013
UNchained wrote:
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He likes hanging out with opposers of the denomination he defends because it is easier than getting baptised, finding a nice JW girlfriend and getting a life.
I wanted to say prayers are with you with your new finding ..
Keep up your good posts !
FATHERSRIGHTS

Spring, TX

#196 Sep 18, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
That's obviously a contrived "story". It doesn't even read naturally.
*** w74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones ***
21 As to disfellowshiped family members (not minor sons or daughters) living outside the home, each family must decide to what extent they will have association with such ones. This is not something that the congregational elders can decide for them. What the elders are concerned with is that “leaven” is not reintroduced into the congregation through spiritual fellowshiping with those who had to be removed as such “leaven.” Thus, if a disfellowshiped parent goes to visit a son or daughter or to see grandchildren and is allowed to enter the Christian home, this is not the concern of the elders. Such a one has a natural right to visit his blood relatives and his offspring. Similarly, when sons or daughters render honor to a parent, though disfellowshiped, by calling to see how such a one’s physical health is or what needs he or she may have, this act in itself is not a spiritual fellowshiping.
===
In 10 years online I haven't found too many that aren't contrived....

You got to have hyperbole and emotion to manipulate people Anerin....

Come on you know this....
TdcTd

Georgetown, Guyana

#197 Sep 18, 2013
The website jehvoahs trumpet.com aims to make satire out of JW situations. Read the one about the girl who shunned her kitten.....

Since: Aug 12

Northampton, UK

#198 Sep 19, 2013
FATHERSRIGHTS wrote:
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In 10 years online I haven't found too many that aren't contrived....
You got to have hyperbole and emotion to manipulate people Anerin....
Come on you know this....
You are so narrow minded and biased that's your problem.

My wife and I looked after a homeless JW family for 3 years (they lived with us in our cramped house because the congregation didn't want that responsibility), but now, after we hinted at our lack of faith in the GB (men) they don't even speak to us (as if we've got leprosy).

Where exactly am I using hyperbole here?

It may be emotional but it's 100% factual.

You'd accuse Jesus of doing the exact same thing (emotional manipulation) when he tried to get the Jews to have a soft heart!

(Mark 3:4-5) "Next he said to them: "Is it lawful on the sabbath to do a good deed or to do a bad deed, to save or to kill a soul?" But they kept silent. And after looking around upon them with indignation, being thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts, he said to the man: "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored."

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Yes, if Jesus came to the JW congregation he certainly would be "thoroughly grieved at the insensibility of their hearts".
SusieB

Richland, WA

#200 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Yes. Because so many disfellowshipped people try to destroy the Christian faith of the other members of their family. So you can blame them for these strong warnings.
<quoted text>
That is NOT TRUE.
You can not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped family member. You will be counseled but NOT disfellowshipped.
You will be counseled?
What for?
That evil and vile slave will counsel you for speaking to your own flesh and blood?
I'm sure thats what Jesus said to do isn't it? NOT!!!
Well lets see what your moronic evil slave says to do:

SHUN BACKSLIDERS AND LIVE!
"Ancient Israel was warned not to companion with the demonistic nations round about them. But Israel did, and Israel was contaminated. Israel fed on false doctrines and slid into a morass of sin. Only a faithful remnant resisted and stood fast. It is the same today, for what happened then is prophetic of today. The majority are feeding on spiritual food that failed to nourish in Bible times and is failing to nourish now. So there is a spiritual weakening and backsliding afflicting the majority. But there is a small minority holding fast. Those wishing to avoid backsliding MUST SHUN the backsliders, for such bad associations would spoil useful habits of true worship. Do not be misled."
[WT 6/01/57]

"Furthermore, some of the religious literature that people may urge Jehovah’s Witnesses to read is written by, or contains the thoughts of, individuals who have apostatized. True Christians are commanded to shun such apostates."

"Hence, it is out of wisdom and respect for God’s counsel that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not make a practice of exchanging valuable Bible study aids containing Scriptural truth for religious literature that disseminates error or apostate views."
[WT 5/01/84]

Those JW teachings are fruitless and spiritually corrupt!
And they contain thoughts of individuals who have self anointed and self appointed themselves into Christs throne! Disgusting!
You condemn all Christian writings and beliefs that aren't accepted or spoofed by your evil and vile slave.
But YOU heartily and happily gulp down their camels with glee. Now that takes some great brainwashing from those fruitless and corrupt teachings that are UNIQUE to your false "religion" and found only in the WTBTS's uninspired "bible aids".

Christians do NOT tear down other Christians...they do however try to love and build up everyone no matter what they believe and they pray that Jesus will become everyone's Lord and Savior.
Thats why JW's cannot associate with CHRISTIANS or read the bible without the vile writings of the evil hateful hypocrites in NY. They might just see the truth of Gods Word and leave your false "religion" with its phony old leaders gnawing on their own wormwood

Wake up Gareth...JW's are NOT Christians!
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#201 Sep 20, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Of course Jehovah's Witnesses are EVIL because they did not build their headquarters out of wattle and daub. They should be operating from mud huts.
Every Christian who does not live or work in a mud hut is evil.
You convinced me.
No I take my leave of this pathetic argument.
I live out here in the Southwest where many people live in mud huts /adobe. Some of our pueblos ,made of mud, have been inhabited for over 500 years. We have thousands of mud huts,including catholic churches,made from mud, but not one kingdom hall is made from mud. How about in Mexico or other third world countries do their kingdom halls have to be brick and mortor in order for you to attend? In some places even tents are used,but it seems like you have lost the whole concept of being a baptised jw! ps. I have never seen a kingdom hall in an Indian pueblo,how come?
Greenish Pink

Stillwater, OK

#202 Sep 20, 2013
I scanned what Sister Phillips said. This part made me laugh: "I think about the kidney she gave me." Oh, Oh, Ohhhh...my side hurts...sorry...sad, sad story...funny in parts, tho!

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