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UNchained

Loudon, TN

#1 Sep 15, 2013
We asked Sister Phillips what it was like growing up with her mother.

"She was a wonderful mother and faithful sister. My father died young, and she was left with four children to care for. Things were rough. My mother worked two jobs and still found time to study with us for every meeting."

So what went wrong?

"Well, some years ago my mother read an apostate lie that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and joined the United Nations as a non-governmental organization. An NGO. She believed it. I was appalled. How could she believe such slander? The Watchtower always taught us that the United Nations was the scarlet colored wild beast and in direct opposition to Jehovahís kingdom. They would never do such a thing.
Instead of just dismissing these false accusations, she kept reading. Sadly, she concluded that the Watchtower did not have the Truth, and she left the organization. My siblings and my children all shun her. She has never met my grandchildren. Itís hard, you know? Sheís my mother, but sheís a corrupting influence. Her heart is just bankrupt, and thatís very difficult to accept."

Thatís such a betrayal! It kind of makes everything she ever did for you not really mean anything.

"Exactly. Itís all washed away like dust in the wind."

So how are you dealing with the day-to-day responsibility to shun?

"I rely on Jehovah. I pray to stay firm and loyal. Itís not always easy. My mother is in a nursing home now. I fulfill my Christian obligation to make sure her physical needs are met, but I donít visit her. The children donít visit her. Sometimes that causes a problem with the staff at the nursing home."

In what way?

"Well, last week they called me to ask if I would come in to visit my mother. I told them absolutely not. They then said she had been crying for her children and grandchildren, and she wasnít doing so well. They had a difficult time understanding, worldly people often do, but I remained adamant. I said I was sorry that my mother was lonely and crying and that I didnít wish her any extra pain, but I had to remain loyal to Jehovah. She would just have to work it through herself."

Do you ever feel tempted to give in?

"I do at times. I think about the sacrifices she made for us kids. I think about the kidney she gave me. She never said a mean word to any of us. I did feel like my resolve was going to crumble for a while, but then I went to the district convention this summer and I was up-built. The brother reminded us that Jehovah wants our loyalty, and that may mean shunning those who have done the most for us. It wasnít my choice to shun my mother but her choice to leave Jehovah. Iím committed to remaining steadfast to Jehovah."

That is truly an encouraging story! Your example is proof that we can remain loyal even if it means letting our mothers die alone in a nursing home. May Jehovah continue to bless your efforts.

Friends, when your loyalty is put to the test, will you be like Sister Phillipsís mother, or will you be like Sister Phillips?

May we all remain strong in these last days and continue to show our loyalty by shunning those we love.

http://jehovahstrumpet.com/faithful-daughter-...

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#2 Sep 15, 2013
That's obviously a contrived "story". It doesn't even read naturally.

*** w74 8/1 p. 471 par. 21 Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones ***

21 As to disfellowshiped family members (not minor sons or daughters) living outside the home, each family must decide to what extent they will have association with such ones. This is not something that the congregational elders can decide for them. What the elders are concerned with is that ďleavenĒ is not reintroduced into the congregation through spiritual fellowshiping with those who had to be removed as such ďleaven.Ē Thus, if a disfellowshiped parent goes to visit a son or daughter or to see grandchildren and is allowed to enter the Christian home, this is not the concern of the elders. Such a one has a natural right to visit his blood relatives and his offspring. Similarly, when sons or daughters render honor to a parent, though disfellowshiped, by calling to see how such a oneís physical health is or what needs he or she may have, this act in itself is not a spiritual fellowshiping.

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Tao itness

United States

#3 Sep 15, 2013
whether it is a contrived story or not, they over shoes the whole reason for shining making it an institutional lot instead of a way to help correct your brother, just as Jesus said to the Pharisees and that made the lot on Corbin causing the Jews to dishonor their mother and father. by teaching commands of men as doctrine you invalidate the Word of God and worship Him in vain . many children show disrespect and dishonor for their mothers and fathers who have chose to left the Watchtower Society, due to their institutionalizing of this law.
Tao itness

United States

#4 Sep 15, 2013
the watchtower has contradicting itself trying to say that they do this to show love for the rebellious. at the same time it has been like in the in the watchtower to the stoning to death of a sinner. this was originally written to individual Christians to show that they do not agree with the path that a Christian had taken. also the watchtowers Star Chamber tactics are nothing like the way judicial trials were held in Jerusalem and in the Christian congregation. everything was always out in the open and the person could make a defense before the whole congregation, they keep the deck is stacked in their favor and use social control by taking two men that are definitely on the side of the watchtower, and the accused has to make their case before these men who already have their mind made up. these trials were to be held out in the open and so everyone could hear and a community consensus could be drawn, with the older men, all of them confirming and making a decision.. that is why Jesus trial was not correct because they did it in secret and not good for all on lockerz. the apostasy trial on YouTube is an eye opener, never once was Jehovah or Jesus mentioned by the elders, but dozens of times was loyal T to the organization!
do you watch Tower defenders it is your God, and you're golden calf.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#5 Sep 15, 2013
Tao itness wrote:
whether it is a contrived story or not, they over shoes the whole reason for shining making it an institutional lot instead of a way to help correct your brother...
But what if your brother refuses to be corrected?
Tao itness

United States

#6 Sep 15, 2013
by the way Gareth the watchtower you quote is totally out of date, you can now I only have contact with your family basically if they are dying
! I can tell what the law is of the watchtower by how much contact my mom has with me. she is very faithful to the organization, if they said tomorrow she could have full contact with me she would do it despite what the scriptures say. she follows those men like a dog's master with a treat. she has no thinking ability or Konshens unless it is dictated by the watchtower, it is about the saddest thing I have ever seen!

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#7 Sep 15, 2013
Tao itness wrote:
by the way Gareth the watchtower you quote is totally out of date, you can now I only have contact with your family basically if they are dying!
Its not out of date.

It still remains a personal decision now just as much as it has always been.

But the WT publications do tend to advise sticking to the Bible and having as little contact as possible. Mainly because so many difellowshipped people try to destroy the Christian faith of the other family members. So it is those who should be blamed for making Jehovah's Witnesses cautious, even with family.

Since: Oct 10

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#8 Sep 15, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Its not out of date.
It still remains a personal decision now just as much as it has always been.
But the WT publications do tend to advise sticking to the Bible and having as little contact as possible. Mainly because so many difellowshipped people try to destroy the Christian faith of the other family members. So it is those who should be blamed for making Jehovah's Witnesses cautious, even with family.
sorry it is out of date, the WT has stepped up there stance on associating with DF or DA relatives, espcially those accused of aposatcy, the latest DEC WT study article is so highly critical of the media and social networking that say anything derogatory about JW and has virtually said not to watch these probrams, not to read anything negative, of course they never what they are saying, how much more so DF or DA persons.

The WT last year on even discouraging emailing a DF relative.

And one can be DF for eating a meal with a DF person can't they.
Lol

San Ramon, CA

#9 Sep 15, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
That's obviously a contrived "story". It doesn't even read naturally....

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I certainly pray that the story isn't true. It's absolutely disgusting.

The sad part is that JW's ARE encouraged to treat their "loved" ones in just that way if they come to know the "truth about the truth".

It's heart-wrenching, and I know people who have been treated that way. You can say that they take it farther than they are taught to all you want, but the fact is that they ARE taught to shun family members who come to a realization that the JW's are not what they claim to be.
Tao itness

United States

#10 Sep 15, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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But what if your brother refuses to be corrected?
well he already knows where you stand, you don't agree with the path he is taking, but you can always let him know you will be there if he ever decides to repent and turn around. if you love someone you never give up on them.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#11 Sep 16, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>sorry it is out of date, the WT has stepped up there stance on associating with DF or DA relatives, espcially those accused of aposatcy, the latest DEC WT study article is so highly critical of the media and social networking that say anything derogatory about JW and has virtually said not to watch these probrams, not to read anything negative, of course they never what they are saying, how much more so DF or DA persons.
The WT last year on even discouraging emailing a DF relative.
And one can be DF for eating a meal with a DF person can't they.
The elder's manual explicitly states that a person will not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped FAMILY member.

So the stance has not changed. Only the warning advice has gotten stronger.

It is still a personal choice.
elwood

Houston, TX

#12 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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The elder's manual explicitly states that a person will not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped FAMILY member.
So the stance has not changed. Only the warning advice has gotten stronger.
It is still a personal choice.
That's right, its always a "personal choice".

The only people who don't have a choice are young kids. It appears 66% of them leave the org when they come of age and can decide for themselves.

As for the rest, some are held in place illusion that being a JW is somehow a requirement for salvation, some for fear of losing family and friends.

The organizations' is beginning to lose their grip so be ready for
harder crackdowns and harsher rhetoric.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#13 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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The elder's manual explicitly states that a person will not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped FAMILY member.
So the stance has not changed. Only the warning advice has gotten stronger.
It is still a personal choice.
so if someone has a meal with a DF person for apostacy even a realive they will not be called into the back room.

Some parents have asked their kids to leave the family home because of they are DF, the point is they choose between the WT and their family and under constant pressure by the GB in Wt articles not to associate with DF ones including family, did you go to the DC this year, there as a part on being faithful to Jehovah by chosing between the DF family member and your loyalty to Jehovah, they may not come right out and say YOUR a gonna if you dare break this rule but the psyological pressure is there constantly in WT articles and at DC, and in talks.

Since: Oct 10

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#14 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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The elder's manual explicitly states that a person will not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped FAMILY member.
So the stance has not changed. Only the warning advice has gotten stronger.
It is still a personal choice.
and even emailing a DF relative is not encouraged, can't you see that the pressure is constant for families of DF ones, you carry on like these things don't happen they do, and some JW are so fanatical and WT idols they will follow every little thing to a tee, their personal choice is taken away by constant WT articles, talks about being loyal to Jehovah and chosing the wise cause of not associating with DF relatives, if a relative is an apostate and the family associates with this one no doubt they will be DF, they will be asked what they talked about and so on,....

Why even among the congregation of none DF b/s we are to be aware of any that speculate, yes speculate, these no doubt would be marked and shunned by ones in the KH, this is the type of control the GB is now dishing out to the b/s to be aware even of approved b/s that speculate, ask questions.....

the GB are the ones causing divisions among the flock by their paranoia and fear of any b/s that may not agree with what they teach, while they run ahead of Gods word and speculate constantly.
elwood

Houston, TX

#15 Sep 16, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The elder's manual explicitly states that a person will not be disfellowshipped for associating with a disfellowshipped FAMILY member.
So the stance has not changed. Only the warning advice has gotten stronger.
It is still a personal choice.
But Gareth, JWs only follow the bible. So what is this elder's manual all about?
OR can't you tell the difference anymore between the organization's publications and the bible anymore?
Are WT publications "canon" for your religion?
What were the biblical reasons for shunning? Was one of them "leaving the JW organization"?

“Yeah, you too.....”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#16 Sep 16, 2013
Everything you do is a personal choice... But they don't tell you what the consequences are when you make that decision... And like Array says there is high physiological pressure from the organization which the most of the bros & sis can't deal with.

Like with the voluntary donations. If you tell people all the time how good it is to give and that you will be in good standing with God, and that it is "especially accepted" by Jehovah. You may ask yourself,how volontarie this giving is?

Physiological pressure, controlling, diminish all contacts outside the organization, don't tell the ordinary bros & sis everything....... Hence, A Cult...

“Yeah, you too.....”

Since: Aug 13

Baghdad, Iraq

#17 Sep 16, 2013
You can see in all his comments Aneirin is a theoretical guy, he gets his knowledge from books, and then on many occasions he makes the wrong interpretation. Obviously he has no idea or experience how things work in the everyday world of a JW while most of the people here have many years of experience about how things are dealt with in the "organization"...... .

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#18 Sep 16, 2013
MarcelB wrote:
You can see in all his comments Aneirin is a theoretical guy, he gets his knowledge from books, and then on many occasions he makes the wrong interpretation. Obviously he has no idea or experience how things work in the everyday world of a JW while most of the people here have many years of experience about how things are dealt with in the "organization"...... .
you nailed it!!:)

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#19 Sep 16, 2013
This story probably is true, I've talked with dozens of xjw's who family treats them exactly the same way, even jw's who are on their death beds will not allow their disfellowshipped children visit them.

This is also a glaring example of how jw's are not as united as they boast they are.

And this is another example of how jw's will go beyond what their own publications and the bible say's.
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#20 Sep 16, 2013
The commandment is " honor your mother and Father.

With holding love is not from God ..who is love.

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