Flip-Flop Jehovah's Witnesses is Proper

Flip-Flop Jehovah's Witnesses is Proper

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#1 Feb 25, 2013
Jehovah made the biggest Flip-Flop in history, when He invited Gentiles into His fold..........As time progressed, flip-flops also changed the truth to be more truth. Jehovah's Witnesses changed directions many times as the light became more bright. It is only the meek, teachable one's who will follow Jehovah's skillful direction.....and we do. It's surprising that this term...flip-flop has gained prominence....That's how Jehovah directs us..........How else can Jehovah keep us weak minded humans on the right course?????....Every culture, skill, education, goes through many loops and changes as we develop what we can absorb....Thank Jehovah for the flip-flops that have educated us to learn how to worship HIM.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#2 Feb 25, 2013
Messanger wrote:
Jehovah made the biggest Flip-Flop in history, when He invited Gentiles into His fold..........As time progressed, flip-flops also changed the truth to be more truth. Jehovah's Witnesses changed directions many times as the light became more bright. It is only the meek, teachable one's who will follow Jehovah's skillful direction.....and we do. It's surprising that this term...flip-flop has gained prominence....That's how Jehovah directs us..........How else can Jehovah keep us weak minded humans on the right course?????....Every culture, skill, education, goes through many loops and changes as we develop what we can absorb....Thank Jehovah for the flip-flops that have educated us to learn how to worship HIM.
Are you serious?

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#3 Feb 25, 2013
flip flop is when they teach one thing.. change it.. And later go back to what they taught earlier.. I don't recall God doing that..

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#4 Feb 25, 2013
"Flip-flop" is not a term that should ever be applied to Jehovah.

But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time:

(Matthew 5:31-37)

31 “Moreover it was said,‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’

32 However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33 “Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times,‘You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.’

34 However, I say to YOU: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God’s throne;

35 nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.

36 Nor by your head must you swear, because you cannot turn one hair white or black.

37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.

***

(Acts 17:30-31)

. . .True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent.

31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”

***

(Acts 10:13-16)

13 And a voice came to him:“Rise, Peter, slaughter and eat!”

14 But Peter said:“Not at all, Lord, because never have I eaten anything defiled and unclean.”

15 And the voice [spoke] again to him, the second time:“You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”

16 This occurred a third time, and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven.

***
Acts 15

14 Sym′e‧o n has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree.

19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

***
Daniel 12

3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.

4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.

Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”

Since: Feb 13

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#5 Feb 25, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
"Flip-flop" is not a term that should ever be applied to Jehovah.
But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time:
(Matthew 5:31-37)
31 “Moreover it was said,‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
33 “Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times,‘You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.’
34 However, I say to YOU: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God’s throne;
35 nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.
36 Nor by your head must you swear, because you cannot turn one hair white or black.
37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.
***
(Acts 17:30-31)
. . .True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent.
31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”
***
(Acts 10:13-16)
13 And a voice came to him:“Rise, Peter, slaughter and eat!”
14 But Peter said:“Not at all, Lord, because never have I eaten anything defiled and unclean.”
15 And the voice [spoke] again to him, the second time:“You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”
16 This occurred a third time, and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven.
***
Acts 15
14 Sym′e‧o n has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree.
19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
***
Daniel 12
3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.
Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”
Thank you.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#6 Feb 26, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
"Flip-flop" is not a term that should ever be applied to Jehovah.
But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time:
(Matthew 5:31-37)
31 “Moreover it was said,‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
33 “Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times,‘You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.’
Acts 15
14 Sym′e‧on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree.
19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
***
Daniel 12
3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.
Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”
once again we see a sincere person confuse What God does or says with what the WT EDitorial staff says or does

unfortnately the poster is confusing the two

note what the poster said:

"But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time"

After making the above statement the poster cited some bible text that he believes supports his position that GOD UPDATED HIS INSTRUCTIONS

the problem is the instructions from the WT Editorial staff were NEVER GOD'S INSTRUCTION

no transplants, never gods instruction therefore no need for god to update anything in regards to it

They were the instructions of the WT Editorial staff which were wrong and therefore needed to be updated

No divorce on the grounds of Beastility, were never God's instructions thereby requiring them to be UPDATED

BUT THEY WERE the instructions of the WT Editorial staff and it was DOA and therefore would indeeed need to be updated

instructing folks that the world would end before the Gen of 1914 dies off was NEVER FROM GOD, and therefore once again was no need for God to update anything

but it was from the WT EDitorial staff of writers and when Father Time used all the Sand up in the Hour Glass and these folks were pretty much dead now , the wt editorial staff had no choice but as the poster said TO UPDATE THINGS

what you have seen with your own eyes is a sincere poster literally confusing what the bible or God says with what the WT Editorial staff says

it is due to this in ability to distinguish the 2 that results in a jw thinking that XYZ is what God says

note what a long time jw said:

Nomi wrote:

"There is no difference between Jehovah, and the WT. The magazine is based entirely on his Word, nothing else. Anyone who says differently is wrong."

THIS ABOVE IS THE CORE MINDSET OF JW

but consider the basic core jw teaching on the matter of what the WT Editorial staff has as their Official position for decades:

“Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God.“( Watchtower 6/15/1957, p. 370)

1928 "The writer does not give his opinion. No human interpretation of scripture is advanced." (Reconciliation, 1928, p. 6)

1931 The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of any of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower.(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)

##########

now you can see why the poster actually believes that when the WT EDitorial staff updates something, THAT MEANS GOD IS UPDATING
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#7 Feb 26, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
"Flip-flop" is not a term that should ever be applied to Jehovah.
But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time
once again we see a sincere person confuse What God does or says with what the WT EDitorial staff says or does

unfortnately the poster is confusing the two

note what the poster said:

"But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time"

After making the above statement the poster cited some bible text that he believes supports his position that GOD UPDATED HIS INSTRUCTIONS

the problem is the instructions from the WT Editorial staff were NEVER GOD'S INSTRUCTION

no transplants, never gods instruction therefore no need for god to update anything in regards to it

They were the instructions of the WT Editorial staff which were wrong and therefore needed to be updated

No divorce on the grounds of Beastility, were never God's instructions thereby requiring them to be UPDATED

BUT THEY WERE the instructions of the WT Editorial staff and it was DOA and therefore would indeeed need to be updated

instructing folks that the world would end before the Gen of 1914 dies off was NEVER FROM GOD, and therefore once again was no need for God to update anything

but it was from the WT EDitorial staff of writers and when Father Time used all the Sand up in the Hour Glass and these folks were pretty much dead now , the wt editorial staff had no choice but as the poster said TO UPDATE THINGS

what you have seen with your own eyes is a sincere poster literally confusing what the bible or God says with what the WT Editorial staff says

it is due to this in ability to distinguish the 2 that results in a jw thinking that XYZ is what God says

note what a long time jw said:

Nomi wrote:

"There is no difference between Jehovah, and the WT. The magazine is based entirely on his Word, nothing else. Anyone who says differently is wrong."

THIS ABOVE IS THE CORE MINDSET OF JW

but consider the basic core jw teaching on the matter of what the WT Editorial staff has as their Official position for decades:

“Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the voice of God.“( Watchtower 6/15/1957, p. 370)

1928 "The writer does not give his opinion. No human interpretation of scripture is advanced." (Reconciliation, 1928, p. 6)

1931 The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of any of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower.(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)

##########

now you can see why the poster actually believes that when the WT EDitorial staff updates something, THAT MEANS GOD IS UPDATING
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#8 Feb 26, 2013
(Matthew 5:31-37)

"I say to YOU"

KEEP IN MIND FOLKS this is jesus was speaking

"I say to YOU"

once again we see NOT A MAN SPEAK BUT the Son of God

(Acts 10:13-16)

13 And a voice came to him:“Rise, Peter, slaughter and eat!”

And the voice [spoke] again to him

A VOICE CAME TO HIM??? a voice came and spoke to him a second time

, now who was this voice?? Once again we see a divine being speaking

Now the poster wants you to equate when DIVINE SPEAKERS - speak --and its recorded in the Infallible Inspired Word of God------

to when the WT Editorial staff speaks via its Uninspired Fallible books

come on who is this posting kidding

confusing the bible and the wt is always a problem for jw
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#9 Feb 26, 2013
Messanger wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you.
Why are you telling him Thank you?

How can you compare what God says to what the WT says

in the case of the WT we are seeing DOA dogmas that were wrong the day they came off the presses

we are talking about teachings that WERE NEVER RIGHT, NEVER FROM GOD but merely the wt editorial staff view on the matter

certain items were considered unclean by the jews as instructed by God, now he says you no longer have to live by that law, but the law was NEVER WRONG, it is just no longer being enforced

wt teaching that transplants were against God was a wrong the day the wt came off the press
Vaffancullo

Middletown, NY

#10 Feb 26, 2013
Governing Body say change is good:

The changeable Moon enters caring Virgo and your fourth house of home and family today, so take this opportunity to appreciate the comforts of home as the pressures of your career may make it difficult for you to relax tomorrow. Curling up with a good book in your favourite chair or cuddling with your favourite family members will do wonders for your soul.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#11 Feb 26, 2013
when god invited first the sons of abraham into the covenant, and later the gentiles, he did not flip flop and then later change his mind and claim the gentiles were an error.

when the law covenant was fulfilled with jesus' blood, he did not later change it back, claiming it was a slight error.

god's truth moves forward getting clearer and clearer, not like some wicked men stabbing in the dark, with a fake coming of jesus.

if a murderer is dreaming up more excuses, as his lies are uncovered, its NOT new light, its just a new lie because the old lie got exposed.

satans charade will go on, until hell is emptied into the lake of fire..... then the party is over.

the jw gov body have been lying their arses off ever since russel claimed jesus returned in 1874.
TellTheTruth

Homewood, IL

#12 Feb 26, 2013
red blood relative wrote:
when god invited first the sons of abraham into the covenant, and later the gentiles, he did not flip flop and then later change his mind and claim the gentiles were an error.
when the law covenant was fulfilled with jesus' blood, he did not later change it back, claiming it was a slight error.
god's truth moves forward getting clearer and clearer, not like some wicked men stabbing in the dark, with a fake coming of jesus.
if a murderer is dreaming up more excuses, as his lies are uncovered, its NOT new light, its just a new lie because the old lie got exposed.
satans charade will go on, until hell is emptied into the lake of fire..... then the party is over.
the jw gov body have been lying their arses off ever since russel claimed jesus returned in 1874.
They are always claiming "new light" "new light"
When in reality it is nothing but new lies
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#13 Feb 26, 2013
Messanger

i feel sorry for you man. I really do. See you don't even realize that YOU YOURSELF have demostrated for all readers just how confusing jw are.

you have literally demostrated the very point we have been making in regards to the wt flip flopping

before you post again - stop and look at the TWO THREADS YOU STARTED

1.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not Filp-Flop on Doctrines
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

2.

Flip-Flop Jehovah's Witnesses is Proper
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

in one thread you started you argue that jw DO NOT FLIP FLOP

then you turn around and you yourself FLIP FLOP by now arguing that

Flip flopping is "Proper" to do

so which is it? Does the wt Flip flop or not

you poor man here you are flip flopping on your very own ARGUEMENT

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#14 Feb 26, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
"Flip-flop" is not a term that should ever be applied to Jehovah.
But he has updated his instructions to mankind from time to time:
(Matthew 5:31-37)
31 “Moreover it was said,‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 However, I say to YOU that everyone divorcing his wife, except on account of fornication, makes her a subject for adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
33 “Again YOU heard that it was said to those of ancient times,‘You must not swear without performing, but you must pay your vows to Jehovah.’
34 However, I say to YOU: Do not swear at all, neither by heaven, because it is God’s throne;
35 nor by earth, because it is the footstool of his feet; nor by Jerusalem, because it is the city of the great King.
36 Nor by your head must you swear, because you cannot turn one hair white or black.
37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.
***
(Acts 17:30-31)
. . .True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance, yet now he is telling mankind that they should all everywhere repent.
31 Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”
***
(Acts 10:13-16)
13 And a voice came to him:“Rise, Peter, slaughter and eat!”
14 But Peter said:“Not at all, Lord, because never have I eaten anything defiled and unclean.”
15 And the voice [spoke] again to him, the second time:“You stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”
16 This occurred a third time, and immediately the vessel was taken up into heaven.
***
Acts 15
14 Sym&#8242;e&#8231;o n has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And with this the words of the Prophets agree.
19 Hence my decision is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God, 20 but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.
***
Daniel 12
3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end.
Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”
.
. Over the time Man has been on earth.. God has tried many different ways to get them ..to worship only him.. Maybe ..in this day and age with instant world wide news.. The impact of the destruction of ...say ..Sodom and Gamorrah.. might have made an impression.. But the fact is most people did not witness it.. PERSONALLY..
Through out the bible ..there were many prophseys.. And yes.. things written that showed that the light would get brighter.. Hello! Jesus..was that light..he fullfilled the light by making a new covanant...and including all humans into it.. Why?? Compassion.. He ..is our Mediator.. And he judges and speaks ..for.. us.. in separating out a people ..to the exclusion of others.. You set them up to fail.. And as you can see.. they became much like.. you.. Taking God for granted..thinking that you and only you are some how the cream de La cream ... You sit on your suto throne and look down on all others.. In judgement.. Not ..your job.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#15 Feb 26, 2013
red blood relative wrote:
when god invited first the sons of abraham into the covenant, and later the gentiles, he did not flip flop and then later change his mind and claim the gentiles were an error..
bingo

jw like to create their own meanings to words

flip flop context is in regards to someone saying something and now trying to CLEAN IT UP

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#16 Feb 26, 2013
jace wrote:
Messanger
i feel sorry for you man. I really do. See you don't even realize that YOU YOURSELF have demostrated for all readers just how confusing jw are.
you have literally demostrated the very point we have been making in regards to the wt flip flopping
before you post again - stop and look at the TWO THREADS YOU STARTED
1.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not Filp-Flop on Doctrines
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
2.
Flip-Flop Jehovah's Witnesses is Proper
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
in one thread you started you argue that jw DO NOT FLIP FLOP
then you turn around and you yourself FLIP FLOP by now arguing that
Flip flopping is "Proper" to do
so which is it? Does the wt Flip flop or not
you poor man here you are flip flopping on your very own ARGUEMENT
.
. like a fish..out of water.. not knowing which way go.. eventually all that flopping ..drys them out and they begin to decompose.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#17 Feb 26, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
<quoted text>
.
. like a fish..out of water.. not knowing which way go.. eventually all that flopping ..drys them out and they begin to decompose.
see you cold bloodied

lol

great post

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#18 Feb 26, 2013
In each instance of updating by Jehovah that I quoted, he sent word through whatever messengers he was using on earth at the time. No words were spoken directly by Him out of heaven.

It is the same now. Christ has appointed a faithful and discreet slave to give us our food at the proper time.
Adjustments have been made in our understanding as knowledge became more and more abundant.

Jehovah has used the same method of communicating that he always has.

Daniel 12

3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.

4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”

***
Jesus foretold this for the time of the end.

(Matthew 24:45-47)

45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?

46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.

47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
Lol

United States

#19 Feb 26, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
In each instance of updating by Jehovah that I quoted, he sent word through whatever messengers he was using on earth at the time. No words were spoken directly by Him out of heaven.
It is the same now. Christ has appointed a faithful and discreet slave to give us our food at the proper time.
Adjustments have been made in our understanding as knowledge became more and more abundant.
Jehovah has used the same method of communicating that he always has.
Daniel 12
3 “And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
4 “And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant.”
***
Jesus foretold this for the time of the end.
(Matthew 24:45-47)
45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.
So, he uses the same messangers to change the direction of the flock?

He tells the same messanger many different things, some of them reverting back to old beliefs? Where in the bible did he ever do that?
Lol

United States

#20 Feb 26, 2013
Should be "He uses the same messanger to change the direction of the flock over and over?"

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