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Why did the Jehovah's Witnesses support Hitler?

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Newberry

“Quiet Professional”

Since: Nov 10

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#1 Jun 7, 2011
Jehovah's Witnesses fully supported Hitler.

The present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position.

Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles and will give to the people peace and prosperity and the greatest desire of every honest heart.

A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness.…

Let us remind the government and the people of Germany, that it was the League of Nations compact that laid upon the shoulders of the German people the great unjust and unbearable burdens. That the League of Nations compact was not brought forth by the friends of Germany."
Yknot

United States

#2 Jun 7, 2011
I think this is one of those threads where a distinction between JWs (R&F)differs greatly from the WTS, and in this occassion that of Rutherford.

Rutherford by his own admission was 'an ass'.

K... going to hush-up now cuz it will just spiral into how utterly reprehensible created persecution and R&F sacrifice for WTS politics is to me.
e-watchman

UK

#4 Jun 8, 2011
You got your facts reversed. Thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses went to the concentration camps because they refused to heil Hitler. Even the Jewish-centric Holocaust Museum commemorates the stand of Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany. Ain't it just like the Devil and his dupes to turn the truth on its head.

shel54401

“Why do Jw's LIE?”

Since: Oct 09

Me And The Love of My Life,Jay

#6 Jun 8, 2011
We can sit here all day and go back and forth to what and whom ever had their Hands "dirty' and in my opinion and what I have learned was ALL of us played a great part when it came to Hiler, includeing even Jw's .

i dont care for the "mayrter"way jws' always try and appear so innocent a far as in hitlers war. they as anyone else were tryin just to survive and would do just as NON christain things to survive also.

So they were not the pope nor bishop, who really cares, all that really is needed to know is that NO ONE was w/ out blemish when it came to that war.
People did the unspeakable just to live or their children live? Will jehovah God forgive them,?
Well according to MY BIBLE the answer is YES.

Hitler was an insane person w/ I beleive demons in him, but we have to remember, ys their were religious leaders who may have helped him, but there were many OTHERS behind closed doors who also had a hand in aiding Mr. hitler.
We all were Not there, but if u ever speak w/ ones who were ( as I have) they will talk about a greta many of different people of all races, religions, and color who did what it took to survive.
we cant say what we would have done, we were not there and one realy cany hold judgement until You have walked "a mile in their shoes"or bare feet in winter time.
Yknot

Bluffton, TX

#7 Jun 8, 2011
Many different avenues could have occurred when Hitler was elected but certain political opinions at the time proved to be deadly wrong even though they were doing what I myself often do in seeking to find reasonablee middle ground.

Makes me realize how we need different personalities to create balance....
Bookman

Newark, DE

#9 Jun 8, 2011
e-watchman wrote:
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Sure, I know. The question should be rephrased then to ask, Why did Rutherford try to placate Hitler? Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany were uncompromising and suffered horribly. Anyone who says differently is either woefully ignorant or a liar.
yeah, the JW's themselves were simply pawns of Rutherford, the JW's themselves did not support or try to placate Hitler, that was the scumbag Rutherford.

I feel pity for the JW's that had to endure those horrible things, just like the Jews.

That letter is more of a total damnation of Rutherford then anything with JW's individual.

In fact, individual JW's for the most part are good people, the only criticism I have of individual JW's are the clowns on this forum that act like devils and tear apart and insult abuse victims.

Since: Jul 10

Germantown, WI

#11 Jun 8, 2011
Yknot wrote:
K... going to hush-up now cuz it will just spiral into how utterly reprehensible created persecution and R&F sacrifice for WTS politics is to me.
Please define how the persecution was 'created'.
Yknot

Bluffton, TX

#13 Jun 8, 2011
Better yet yall....

I happen to grow up within a JW German community many of whom moved here after WW2.

I heard a different version and long before the 1998 article. In fact most of what I heard was in response the in 1974 yearbook.

The immediate post-1975 world had a great deal more plain talk.

Living history vs our religions tendancy toward revision.

Beyond that segment of my comments, I take it no one is going to dispute the letter.
abrother

United States

#14 Jun 8, 2011
Yknot wrote:
Better yet yall....
I happen to grow up within a JW German community many of whom moved here after WW2.
I heard a different version and long before the 1998 article. In fact most of what I heard was in response the in 1974 yearbook.
The immediate post-1975 world had a great deal more plain talk.
Living history vs our religions tendancy toward revision.
Beyond that segment of my comments, I take it no one is going to dispute the letter.
July 8, 1998, Awake is more accurate than the 1974 Yearbook.
Yknot

Bluffton, TX

#15 Jun 8, 2011
abrother wrote:
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July 8, 1998, Awake is more accurate than the 1974 Yearbook.
Dear Abrother,

Lets get back to the point of this thread which was that letter.

Lets also be united in the fact that such a thread is nothing more than an attempt create scandal rather than honest-hearted exchange or sharing of WTS history in full context.

I for one will do my best not to post here again and allow this rubbish baiting to fade from the front page of this forum.

I ask you and others to consider no further comment as well as a united boycott of this nonsense.
__________

(standfirm if you really feel the need to talk further to me about this,lets do it in PMs on JWN because this thread really is filth and serves no useful purpose)

Huggles yall
abrother

United States

#16 Jun 8, 2011
Yknot wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Abrother,
Lets get back to the point of this thread which was that letter.
Lets also be united in the fact that such a thread is nothing more than an attempt create scandal rather than honest-hearted exchange or sharing of WTS history in full context.
I for one will do my best not to post here again and allow this rubbish baiting to fade from the front page of this forum.
I ask you and others to consider no further comment as well as a united boycott of this nonsense.
__________
(standfirm if you really feel the need to talk further to me about this,lets do it in PMs on JWN because this thread really is filth and serves no useful purpose)
Huggles yall
You are the one speaking nonsense because you don't know what is on a person mind when he or she writes their letter.
Yknot

Bluffton, TX

#17 Jun 8, 2011
abrother wrote:
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You are the one speaking nonsense because you don't know what is on a person mind when he or she writes their letter.
what are you talking about?

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#18 Jun 8, 2011
Yknot wrote:
I think this is one of those threads where a distinction between JWs (R&F)differs greatly from the WTS, and in this occassion that of Rutherford.
Rutherford by his own admission was 'an ass'.
K... going to hush-up now cuz it will just spiral into how utterly reprehensible created persecution and R&F sacrifice for WTS politics is to me.
No, you are assuming hindsight which you have the luxury of. No one new what Hitler was to become.

As in the American 4th Reich today, like the people of Germany the only ones saying a thing are the uncommon few, and JW's.

We are enabling the end of the world, and America snoozes on, zzz,zzz, well wake ye up.

If you know so much about Hitler, why don't you search the American 4Th Reich born of Yale Skull&Bones or is that just coincidence?

You just lost all you freedoms or is that just coincidence?

You are in a land with more concentration camps in America, or is that just coincidence?

===
Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura: Police State "Full Episode"


Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Length
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

So Hitler watchdog, you have another one now, WITHOUT the hindsight, but the foresight to see it coming.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#19 Jun 8, 2011
Newbury brings out these same old lies every so often.

There is nothing racist in the letter.

In fact the letter states that it is NOT talking about regular Jews but only their religious leaders. It also condemns the Catholic religious leaders alongside the Jewish ones.

Hitler was a Catholic.

So it is obviously NOT any attempt to make friends with Hitler.

Here is what an independent researcher said about the letter:

== Quote: Journal of Church & State 1999 Baylor University ==

When the entire text of the Declaration of 25 June 1933 and the letter to Hitler are seen today in the context of the history of Jehovah's Witnesses during the period of National Socialism in Germany and the history of their religious resistance and their stand during the Holocaust, then the text does not present itself as an "antisemitic statement" or an attempt at "currying the favor" of Hitler. These accusations, stemming from present-day church circles, are deliberate manipulations and falsifications of history, seemingly motivated by guilt over the churches' own involvement or lack or involvement in the persecutions.
== By Yonan, Gabriele ==

Gabriele Yonan (B.A., Humboldt University, Berlin; M.A., University of Osnabruck; Ph.D., University of Haifa) is currently reader and counselor at the Institute of the Max Planck Society for Promoting Science and Education, Berlin, Germany.

==

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#20 Jun 8, 2011
The fact is that Jehovah's Witnesses were the only denomination who actively opposed Hitler and refused to bow to his evil requests.

The Catholic Church waved him into power in return for the deal they signed with him in 1933.

The Protestant Coalition of Churches collectively conducted an ethnic cleansing of their ranks to rid themselves of anyone whom the Nazi's regarded as having "tainted" blood.

The religious leaders were seen publicly shaking Hitler's hand and pledging support for his government.

And what have they got to show for their embarrassment?

All they can to is twist and distort this letter to make it appear to say that which it does not. When read in full, and in context of WHY it was written is clearly NOT in any way trying to curry Hitler's favour in any respect.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#21 Jun 8, 2011
== Here is an excerpt from Gabriele Yonan's paper :==

This resolution was addressed to Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler in the form of a petition, an appeal. The churches in Germany today claim that this Declaration represented an attempt on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses to curry the favor of Hitler and his Nazi state, and that it included anti-Jewish statements. They claim that it was only after the failure of this attempt that Jehovah's Witnesses resisted the Nazi regime. The charges climaxed in the accusation that the American Watch Tower Office and its president, J. F. Rutherford, had knowingly sacrificed the German Jehovah's Witnesses and pushed them onto a road that would inevitably lead to martyrdom. A textual analysis of the actual document indicates that these accusations are erroneous.

The passages quoted from the Declaration create the impression that it was primarily a justification, an overture toward the Nazi system, and that it was influenced by anti-Jewish attitudes. This, however, is a falsification of the facts. From a secular point of view, the document was a "sermon" directed to the addressee, Reichskanzler Hitler himself. It was a clear dissociation from the powers of this world but it took for granted that surely even Hitler had good intentions, that even he must have wanted to do good. But it also proclaimed that if this should prove not to be so, then the Reichskanzler and Fuhrer of the German people belonged to the kingdom of Satan. Hitler would then become an enemy of Jehovah and his Witnesses. These straightforward statements left the Reichskanzler with only two possible conclusions: either the Declaration was the product of the collective imaginations of some crazed religious group or, it was, in its mad boldness, a declaration of war from a David against a Goliath.

While the powerful Roman Catholic Church had entered into a gentleman's agreement with the dictator in the form of the concordat, here a small Christian faction was blowing the trumpet of Jericho and demanding, in sermon-style and in all earnestness, that Hitler should subject himself completely to the will of Jehovah. In turn the church promised that it would then maintain its neutrality, as it did in all other states. And although Hitler was still addressed in politely neutral terms, this small group did not hesitate to call its business partner, the Roman Catholic Church, a tool of "the great enemy Satan."

Since: Jul 10

Germantown, WI

#22 Jun 8, 2011
Gareth wrote:
== Here is an excerpt from Gabriele Yonan's paper :==
This resolution was addressed to Reichskanzler Adolf Hitler in the form of a petition, an appeal. The churches in Germany today claim that this Declaration represented an attempt on the part of Jehovah's Witnesses to curry the favor of Hitler and his Nazi state, and that it included anti-Jewish statements. They claim that it was only after the failure of this attempt that Jehovah's Witnesses resisted the Nazi regime. The charges climaxed in the accusation that the American Watch Tower Office and its president, J. F. Rutherford, had knowingly sacrificed the German Jehovah's Witnesses and pushed them onto a road that would inevitably lead to martyrdom. A textual analysis of the actual document indicates that these accusations are erroneous.
The passages quoted from the Declaration create the impression that it was primarily a justification, an overture toward the Nazi system, and that it was influenced by anti-Jewish attitudes. This, however, is a falsification of the facts. From a secular point of view, the document was a "sermon" directed to the addressee, Reichskanzler Hitler himself. It was a clear dissociation from the powers of this world but it took for granted that surely even Hitler had good intentions, that even he must have wanted to do good. But it also proclaimed that if this should prove not to be so, then the Reichskanzler and Fuhrer of the German people belonged to the kingdom of Satan. Hitler would then become an enemy of Jehovah and his Witnesses. These straightforward statements left the Reichskanzler with only two possible conclusions: either the Declaration was the product of the collective imaginations of some crazed religious group or, it was, in its mad boldness, a declaration of war from a David against a Goliath.
While the powerful Roman Catholic Church had entered into a gentleman's agreement with the dictator in the form of the concordat, here a small Christian faction was blowing the trumpet of Jericho and demanding, in sermon-style and in all earnestness, that Hitler should subject himself completely to the will of Jehovah. In turn the church promised that it would then maintain its neutrality, as it did in all other states. And although Hitler was still addressed in politely neutral terms, this small group did not hesitate to call its business partner, the Roman Catholic Church, a tool of "the great enemy Satan."
Do you have a link for Yonan's article?

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#24 Jun 9, 2011
Yes a strange irony in the international banking cartel of the Rothschilds who founded the Federal reserve here in 1914, is that elite Jews were profiting off that engineered mayhem in Germany to profit through American and German corporations, as this outline has the timeline of the Rothschilds and the section of 1930-1950 is very interesting, and I'll quite a couple places:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmi...

=====
1929: The Rothschilds crash the United States economy by contracting the money supply.

1930: The first Rothschild world bank, the, "Bank for International Settlements (BIS)," is established in Basle, Switzerland. The same place as where 33 years earlier the first ever World Zionist Congress was held.

1933: On January 30, Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany.

Rothschild financed IBM, supply machines to the Nazis which produce punch cards to help organize and manage the initial identification and social expulsion of Jews, the confiscation of their property and their extermination.

On November 16, President Roosevelt recognizes the Zionist regime of Stalin in Russia without consultation with Congress even as 8,000 Ukrainians march in protest in New York.

Also this year, President Roosevelt, born of a Jewish mother, therefore satisfying Ashkenazi rules of being Jewish, orders the all-seeing eye to be placed upon all new dollar bills along with the motto, "Novus Ordo Seclorum." This is latin for, "A New Order of the Ages."

1934: Swiss banking secrecy laws are reformed and it becomes an offence resulting in imprisonment for any bank employee to violate bank secrecy. This is all in preparation for the Rothschild engineered Second World War in which as usual they will fund both sides.

1939: I.G. Farben the leading producer of chemicals in the world and largest German producer of steel dramatically increases its production. This increased production is almost exclusively used to arm Germany for the Second World War. This company was controlled by the Rothschilds and would go on to use Jews and other disaffected peoples as slave labour in the concentration camps. I.G. Farben also created the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used to exterminate the Jews.

1942: Prescott Bush, father of future American Presidents’ George Herbert Walker and George W, has his company seized under the,“Trading With The Enemy,” Act. He was funding Hitler from America, whilst American soldiers were being killed by German soldiers.

In Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, two further Rothschild world banks are created. The International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the World Bank.

1945: The end of the Second World War. It is reported that I.G. Farben plants were specifically not targeted in the bombing raids on Germany. Interestingly at the end of the war, they were found to have only sustained 15% damage.

====

So once again elites from many nations preyed on the masses, and innocent Jews, Germans, Americans and others were pulled blindly into the profit orgy of the bankers, corporations and talking heads promoting known lies.

No Jehovah's witness ever supported such a folly and it gives further reason to know why God must exterminate human government and the banking, weapons and war rackets they live on, invariably.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#25 Feb 23, 2012
Perhaps the most disturbing bit of evidence that shows the ruthlessness and hatefullness of replacement theology that I found today in my research is this:

Rudolf Hess, commandant of Auschwitz, in his book of memoirs,

'The Commandant of Auschwitz Testifies',

describes the faith and behavior of several female members of 'Jehovah’s Witnesses', who worked as faithful servants of SS officers in Auschwitz:

“The strange thing was that all of them were convinced that causing suffering to the Jews and killing them was justified, because their ancestors betrayed God.”

Sadly, this horrible and twisted belief in replacement theology of any church has harmed so many over the centuries. Examples of what it does to the minds of people that accept it has been observed in some of the comments made here today in defense of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
Chris Anthony

United States

#26 Apr 19, 2012
Dear Sir,
Your entire interpretation of Mr. Rutherford is not in line with the letter you cited.#1 Jehovah's Witnesses remain politically neutral.#2 They are though good citizens of their country and obey the laws as long as they don't conflict with any of God's commands. In the letter you cited, it did not show anything contrary to these points. The letter stated the US president required Rutherford to us 2 primary journals to incite hatred for Germany and he refused to get involved politically. Hitler required Jehovah's Witnesses to support his political agenda and they did not. The letter acknowledged that Witnesses are unpolitical and purely religious. However, this did not mean that the Witnesses would attempt to overthrow or oppose Hitler. Rather, they obeyed the laws of the land, paid taxes, and the like except where they were told to do something that conflicted with God's law which was to hale Hitler. This did not mean that they supported Hitler either. In fact, the witnesses clearly condemned Hitler in the years to come for his unthinkable acts of oppression in the years to follow. Jehovah's Witnesses place their hope in the Kingdom or government mentioned in the Bible that will eventually dismiss all human goverment, end wickedness, take control of human affairs, and restore the earth to the original earthly paradise state described in Genesis before Adam's sine by means of Christ. In conclusion, though, I have never seen this letter, the contents of it, show no support for Hitler.

Chris A.

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