Do Jehovah's Witnesses Impose Bans?

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#369 Jan 10, 2013
miseracord wrote:
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I am happy that the publications are going forth, that they are put in many differant languages, that Kingdom Halls are being built in other parts of the world, that the brothers have a truly loving brotherhood. That is the key to life -- knowing Jehovah and knowing his Son.
Miss a record...

With a new mediator between God and humans... 1 Timothy 2:5.

The Governing Bodys are deluted self elected mere men, by their own majority votings... which have built a religious huse without a railing... Deuteronomy 22:8...

With their ever changing evil and weird doctrines, like the Scribes and Pharisees described in Jeremiah 8:8,9 through their man created Watchtower Society Organisation...

They have mind controlled their members to believe that they only can obtain salvation and survive Armageddon as a member and following their doctrines like those described in Jeremiah 7:31,32 and they continue to bury... an carry a a huge bloodguilt... based at threats and with sanctions... strictly in oppostion to what comes forth i 1 Peter :3 and 2 Crinthians 1:24... HUH:

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#370 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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Do you admit that what you wrote about WT denials is absolute nonsense?
Wilson...

You have unfinished business here....

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

wilson

Birmingham, AL

#371 Jan 10, 2013
borgfree wrote:
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Maybe you could point out for everyone, just what is the lie?
I'll do it!
"posing as a religion." THAT'S the lie.
They are recognized in more than 200 countries as a legitimate religion.
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Here's proof:
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*** yb02 pp. 4-5 A Letter From the Governing Body ***
Consider, also, recent developments in Greece.
Despite years of intense opposition from the Greek Orthodox Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses are now acknowledged by the government as a “known religion.”
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The government document said in part:
“[The] Christian Jehovah’s Witnesses are considered by the administration as a known religion . . . with all legal consequences resulting therefrom. The said article of the Constitution protects the freedom of worship, the method and means of expression of worship, and free choice concerning the method of administration and organization of each church or religious meeting.
This protection clearly extends to the organization premises and facilities of Marousi [the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses as] a sacred and consecrated place, dedicated to the worship of God. Such facilities are called Bethel, i.e.,‘House of God.’”

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We are also happy to tell you that during the past service year, courts have handed down favorable legal decisions affecting our worship in Bulgaria, Canada, Germany, Japan, Romania, Russia, and the United States.
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RUSSIA:
"During the first half of the 1990’s, our brothers in Russia regained the religious freedoms that they lost in 1917. In 1991 they were registered by the government of the Soviet Union as an official religion. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Jehovah’s Witnesses were registered in the Russian Federation. Moreover, Witnesses who had suffered religious persecution decades earlier were officially recognized by the State as victims of political oppression. In 1993, Moscow’s Department of Justice registered the Moscow Community of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as we are legally known there. That same year, Russia’s new constitution, which guarantees freedom of religion, also went into effect. No wonder that one brother exclaimed,“We never even dreamed we would see such freedom!” He then continued,“For 50 years we had waited for this!”
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EUROPE:
"In a number of countries in Europe, crafty religious and political elements have endeavored to brand Jehovah’s Witnesses a ‘dangerous sect,’ the same charge that was leveled against first-century Christians.(Acts 28:22) The fact is, the European Court of Human Rights has recognized Jehovah’s Witnesses as a religion, not a sect."
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ARMENIA:
"One justice chastised the prosecutor for trying to prejudice the Court by including the preaching work and the unregistered status of Jehovah’s Witnesses in his submission against Brother Margaryan—neither of which was defined as criminal in Article 244.
The judge then described the prosecution’s actions as “persecution by means of a criminal case.”
Another justice mentioned various European Court cases in which Jehovah’s Witnesses were recognized as a “known religion” entitled to protection by the European Convention on Human Rights. During this time, a priest in the courtroom screamed that Jehovah’s Witnesses were dividing the nation. The Court ordered him to keep silent."

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How we thank Jehovah for keeping the door to activity open in those lands!"
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#372 Jan 10, 2013
Veritas 69 wrote:
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Wilson...
You have unfinished business here....
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Nope!
A careful examination of "my own words" reveal that I did not say those things.
Now it is up to you to produce those words.
Remember, if it is in writing, it cannot be denied!
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You now have a tough row to hoe.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#373 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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I'll do it!
"posing as a religion." THAT'S the lie.
They are recognized in more than 200 countries as a legitimate religion.
.
Here's proof:
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*** yb02 pp. 4-5 A Letter From the Governing Body ***
Consider, also, recent developments in Greece.
Despite years of intense opposition from the Greek Orthodox Church, Jehovah’s Witnesses are now acknowledged by the government as a “known religion.”
.
The government document said in part:
“[The] Christian Jehovah’s Witnesses are considered by the administration as a known religion . . . with all legal consequences resulting therefrom. The said article of the Constitution protects the freedom of worship, the method and means of expression of worship, and free choice concerning the method of administration and organization of each church or religious meeting.
This protection clearly extends to the organization premises and facilities of Marousi [the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses as] a sacred and consecrated place, dedicated to the worship of God. Such facilities are called Bethel, i.e.,‘House of God.’”
.
We are also happy to tell you that during the past service year, courts have handed down favorable legal decisions affecting our worship in Bulgaria, Canada, Germany, Japan, Romania, Russia, and the United States.
.
RUSSIA:
"During the first half of the 1990’s, our brothers in Russia regained the religious freedoms that they lost in 1917. In 1991 they were registered by the government of the Soviet Union as an official religion. After the breakup of the Soviet Union, Jehovah’s Witnesses were registered in the Russian Federation. Moreover, Witnesses who had suffered religious persecution decades earlier were officially recognized by the State as victims of political oppression. In 1993, Moscow’s Department of Justice registered the Moscow Community of Jehovah’s Witnesses, as we are legally known there. That same year, Russia’s new constitution, which guarantees freedom of religion, also went into effect. No wonder that one brother exclaimed,“We never even dreamed we would see such freedom!” He then continued,“For 50 years we had waited for this!”
.
EUROPE:
"In a number of countries in Europe, crafty religious and political elements have endeavored to brand Jehovah’s Witnesses a ‘dangerous sect,’ the same charge that was leveled against first-century Christians.(Acts 28:22) The fact is, the European Court of Human Rights has recognized Jehovah’s Witnesses as a religion, not a sect."
.
ARMENIA:
"One justice chastised the prosecutor for trying to prejudice the Court by including the preaching work and the unregistered status of Jehovah’s Witnesses in his submission against Brother Margaryan—neither of which was defined as criminal in Article 244.
The judge then described the prosecution’s actions as “persecution by means of a criminal case.”
Another justice mentioned various European Court cases in which Jehovah’s Witnesses were recognized as a “known religion” entitled to protection by the European Convention on Human Rights. During this time, a priest in the courtroom screamed that Jehovah’s Witnesses were dividing the nation. The Court ordered him to keep silent."
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How we thank Jehovah for keeping the door to activity open in those lands!"
So, you consider that a lie?

Well, for your enlightenment, Jehovah's witnesses are continually calling every religion on earth part of "Babylon the Great", "The World Empire of False Religion".

Skillet, Kettle?

Then, you are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower Corporation, LIARS.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#374 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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I'll do it!
"posing as a religion." THAT'S the lie.
They are recognized in more than 200 countries as a legitimate religion.
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How we thank Jehovah for keeping the door to activity open in those lands!"
Wilson....

Even Jim Jones, Moon and similary Cults and cult like behaviour was and still is allowed...:HUH:

Jeremiah 8:8,9 describes very well what happen at his time through the Scribes and Pharisees manipulation with and of the Scriptures and it continues even to the day of today, where the Governing Bodys continue to bury... due to their ever changing evil and weird docrines of men... Jeremah 7:31,32... self appointed deluted mere men... carrying at a huge bloodguilt... Deuteronomy 22:8...
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#375 Jan 10, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't your congregation have a copy of Fed 990 form or is it top secret from them also? Aren't you curious about your beloved idol/wtbts finances,or just blind faith?
NO! I do not want to know.
Since you do, I suggest that you use the Freedom of Information Act.
What's that?
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a law that gives you the right to access information from the federal government. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government.
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Tell me how you make out - OK?
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#376 Jan 10, 2013
borgfree wrote:
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So, you consider that a lie?
Well, for your enlightenment, Jehovah's witnesses are continually calling every religion on earth part of "Babylon the Great", "The World Empire of False Religion".
Skillet, Kettle?
Then, you are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower Corporation, LIARS.
You said they are "posing as a religion."
I proved to you that they are a recognized religion worldwide.
Religion is either true or false. We were not discussing FALSE religion.
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So - how am I calling JWs "liars?"

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#377 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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You said they are "posing as a religion."
I proved to you that they are a recognized religion worldwide.
Religion is either true or false. We were not discussing FALSE religion.
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So - how am I calling JWs "liars?"
First, it was not me who said, "they are posing as a religion".

But, the statement made by another poster would be viewed by most people as an opinion, not a lie.

You might also consider that Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple were recognized by governments as "a religion" also. I am sure you would not agree with that assessment.

You are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars, if you use the same standard, you used to call the other poster a liar.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#378 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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You are contradicting yourself, not even realizing what you are saying.
Look - no one can deny what they did not say.
If it is NOT in writing there is no need for denials.
If it is in writing, it cannot be denied.
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Can you understand that?
No, it is you that does not understand, again. If it is in writing it cannot be denied, but something they said can be.
Can you understand that?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#379 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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This is not a matter involving definitions.
If you insist, show me the word that I have defined incorrectly.
You have shown no ban and no prohibition.
SO - SHOW ME THE BAN!
Let's say that you could be disfellowshipped for wearing blue.(just for example)

Now, no where does it say, YOU CANNOT WEAR BLUE, IT IS BANNED.
However, there have been many talks about wearing blue and how bad it is and how Jehovah frowns upon it and how wearing blue can keep you from gaining everlasting life.
Yet, there is no BAN. At least not in writing.

If you wear blue you will be counseled, if you continue to wear blue you will be counseled again and then if you refuse to repent, you will be disfellowshipped.

Yet there is not BAN in writing.

So yell SHOW ME THE BAN, all you want, because that is your technicality that makes you think you are right.

Many things are not BANNED in writing, yet you can be dfd for them, which makes them banned, even tho not in writing.
Do you get it yet?

Smoking
Celebrating Birthdays
Celebrating just about any holiday.
etc etc etc.

However, it's only fair to note that if a husband and his boyfriend screw the dog, the wife cannot remarry after divorce as it is not biblical grounds for divorce.

Now there is some sound reasoning. NOT
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#380 Jan 10, 2013
Remnant143999 wrote:

Doesn't your congregation have a copy of Fed 990 form or is it top secret from them also?

Aren't you curious about your beloved idol/wtbts finances,or just blind faith?
wilson wrote:
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NO! I do not want to know.
When you face Jesus and he asks you some questions about your involvement with the Watchtower Society do you think that ignorance of what they have done with the resources entrusted to them is going to get you off the hook with Him?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#381 Jan 10, 2013
UNchained wrote:
Remnant143999 wrote:
Doesn't your congregation have a copy of Fed 990 form or is it top secret from them also?
Aren't you curious about your beloved idol/wtbts finances,or just blind faith?
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When you face Jesus and he asks you some questions about your involvement with the Watchtower Society do you think that ignorance of what they have done with the resources entrusted to them is going to get you off the hook with Him?
He doesn't want to know because then he would have to face the reality that the beloved org is not what he wants it to be.
It's very painful and confusing when you first find out how completely you've been duped.
It takes a while to sort it all out. Some (as they are accused of the opposite reason by jws) are to lazy to do the work.
They will tell you people are too lazy to obey and want to keep their life. That is exactly what goes on when you show a JW cold hard facts about the org. They don't want to change, they don't want to believe it. So they fall back on 'satan has you','you don't want to please God''you are mentally diseased'. I like the mentally diseased as it is definately a substantial excuse for them not to look into what you say or have an open mind. If you are mentally diseased, they would want to avoid you.
How completely and methodically the WTO/OJCW et al has perfected their methods.
Jace

Chalfont, PA

#383 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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This is not a matter involving definitions.
If you insist, show me the word that I have defined incorrectly.
You have shown no ban and no prohibition.
SO - SHOW ME THE BAN!
You have created your own definitions of a religious ban

While everyone but jw understand what it means when someone says the catholic church bans birth control. Or they had a ban on eating meat on Friday

Or holiness groups ban women from wearing pants

Or the muslium ban eating pork

Everyone knows that I'd the person wants to do any of the above they can but their will not be considered a good member of the Faith and thier relationship with god is on the line for violating the ban

When someone says a jw like yourself could not divorce and remarry due to Beastilty on the part of your mate. Due to it being banned
Everyone understand you could remarry. But not remain a jw I. Good standing

In fact you would be dfed for adultery and a sinner

That is the meaning of a religious ban

You can't make up your own definition Wilson

But we do thank you for showing how jw make up their own definitions to support their theology

Lol
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#384 Jan 10, 2013
borgfree wrote:
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First, it was not me who said, "they are posing as a religion".
But, the statement made by another poster would be viewed by most people as an opinion, not a lie.
You might also consider that Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple were recognized by governments as "a religion" also. I am sure you would not agree with that assessment.
You are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars, if you use the same standard, you used to call the other poster a liar.
First it was not me who called R3079emnant 43999 a liar.

Remnant 43999 wrote:
“Bottom line the wtbts is a publishing co. posing as a religion,….”
Miseracord wrote:
“That is such a ridiculous lie.”
Borgfree wrote:
“Maybe you could point out for everyone, just what is the lie?“
Wilson wrote:
“I'll do it! "posing as a religion." THAT'S the lie.
They are recognized in more than 200 countries as a legitimate religion.
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Here's proof:
So, I provided the proof.
Now, you say:“But, the statement made by another poster would be viewed by most people as an opinion, not a lie.”
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If a person says Rush Limbaugh is really a Democrat posing as a Republican, that’s not an opinion. It’s a lie!
When a person who knows the truth says:“That’s a boy posing as a girl,” that’s not an opinion - that’s a lie!
Nope! Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple was a religion - a false one, mind you, but a religion nonetheless.
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Now you say:
“You are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars, if you use the same standard, you used to call the other poster a liar.”
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Since you now know we are not using the “same standards,” how am I “calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars?
wilson

Birmingham, AL

#385 Jan 10, 2013
MixedMedia wrote:
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No, it is you that does not understand, again. If it is in writing it cannot be denied, but something they said can be.
Can you understand that?
Do I have to repeat myself? OK!
NO ONE CAN DENY WHAT THEY DID NOT SAY!
Is that clear enough?
Can you prove that JWs even said anything about bans?
You have provided no proof so far.
All of that talk about bans comes from you.
When you are able to present the proof, then you can talk about denials.

Since: Jun 10

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#386 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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Since you now know we are not using the “same standards,” how am I “calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars?
Wilson...

At least you should call your idols, the Governing Bodys liers...if not more correctly for false prophets... since they called Russel for a prophet... Deuteronomy 18:20-22.

In question of the end in 1874, 1914-1919, 1925, 1975 and now postponed to be around 2034...:HUH:

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#387 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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First it was not me who called R3079emnant 43999 a liar.
Remnant 43999 wrote:
“Bottom line the wtbts is a publishing co. posing as a religion,….”
Miseracord wrote:
“That is such a ridiculous lie.”
Borgfree wrote:
“Maybe you could point out for everyone, just what is the lie?“
Wilson wrote:
“I'll do it! "posing as a religion." THAT'S the lie.
They are recognized in more than 200 countries as a legitimate religion.
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Here's proof:
So, I provided the proof.
Now, you say:“But, the statement made by another poster would be viewed by most people as an opinion, not a lie.”
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If a person says Rush Limbaugh is really a Democrat posing as a Republican, that’s not an opinion. It’s a lie!
When a person who knows the truth says:“That’s a boy posing as a girl,” that’s not an opinion - that’s a lie!
Nope! Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple was a religion - a false one, mind you, but a religion nonetheless.
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Now you say:
“You are calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars, if you use the same standard, you used to call the other poster a liar.”
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Since you now know we are not using the “same standards,” how am I “calling Jehovah's witnesses and the Watchtower liars?
So the following are all opinions, right?

the GB/remnant is the fds
Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth
There is a God
There is not a God

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#388 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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Do I have to repeat myself? OK!
NO ONE CAN DENY WHAT THEY DID NOT SAY!
Is that clear enough?
Can you prove that JWs even said anything about bans?
You have provided no proof so far.
All of that talk about bans comes from you.
When you are able to present the proof, then you can talk about denials.
So your obstinance is centered around the word BAN.
Synonyms: forbid, bar, enjoin, interdict, outlaw, prohibit, proscribe

Which the org does several things all which are none of their business and a private matter, yet they will disfellowship you for, which btw I think they have the right to do. What they don't have the right to do is affect that outside of the religious affiliation. Which is something they do all the time.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#389 Jan 10, 2013
wilson wrote:
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NO! I do not want to know.
Since you do, I suggest that you use the Freedom of Information Act.
What's that?
The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) is a law that gives you the right to access information from the federal government. It is often described as the law that keeps citizens in the know about their government.
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Tell me how you make out - OK?
The wtbts has their finances so buried, that I would have to use the Freedom of Information Act in order to find out what all other non-profit/charities do freely.They disclose their finances to all non-profit/charity watchdogs openly, they have nothing to hide! Protect your beloved idol, the wtbts by all means.

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