The Governing Body Does NOT Lie!

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Mar 26, 2013
 
So all of you are claiming Jesus was not dead and raised himself up right? From what? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? FYI 1John 3:22 "When though he raised himself up".. Oh but that's not what it says so what was he referring to earlier? That when he was killed the temple significance was no longer and he until raised up there was no temple.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Thus completely separate individuals just like ANY Father and son!!!
We believe that that there are three persons, each being the one God. This is no more outlandish than saying we all believe that there are 6 billion people on earth, each being one human spirit.(This is why the Bible can never go out of style or become stale. It applies to the spirit being of mankind for every generation. There is nothing different in our respect of spiritual need, desire, fullfillment.)

Thus, we have separate and one. As I have written before, the Hebrew OT in Genesis starts "In the beginning God (plural) created (singular ending)..." Why would the Bible, being an inspired book, at the very beginning indicate that there is plurality in the one God? And, further on it states "Let us make man in our image..." Again, the use of the plural.

The Bible indicates that God created everything. Is it Jehovah (the God) or the son (a god)? Ans. It has to be Jehovah, the Father; therefore, the Son must also be Jehovah (Jehovah the Son) if Malachi 2:10 is correct, for creation was not accomplished by two true Gods or two gods or a true God and a god.

In Isaiah 48:11 Jehovah says He will not give His glory to another, but Revelation 21:23 says the glory of God will light up the holy city, and the Lamb (Jesus) is the lamp of that light.

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Mar 26, 2013
 
man_711 wrote:
So all of you are claiming Jesus was not dead and raised himself up right? From what? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? FYI 1John 3:22 "When though he raised himself up".. Oh but that's not what it says so what was he referring to earlier? That when he was killed the temple significance was no longer and he until raised up there was no temple.
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. assumning that..he was speaking of his body..as his temple.. AS that is the bible tells us.. That our body is a temple he resides in..
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<quoted text>You do realize that what you posted supports God and Jesus being separate right?
They are separate man, no one is saying otherwise.
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So all of you are claiming Jesus was not dead and raised himself up right? From what? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? FYI 1John 3:22 "When though he raised himself up".. Oh but that's not what it says so what was he referring to earlier? That when he was killed the temple significance was no longer and he until raised up there was no temple.
No one claims Jesus was not dead for 3 days. That is another lie of the WT that want you to believe that true Christians believe when they believe no such thing.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
Note the 2 false teachings of the WTS about what others believe.
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Lie #1.
The WT teaches that Christians believe God are the same person.
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Lie#2.
The WT teaches that Christians do not believe Jesus was not really dead for days.
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LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES
What do you thing of a religion that lies about what others believe in order to boost themselves?
Would God pick liars to be his people?
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What he would say is,
Proverbs 19:9 ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.
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Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
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John 8:44 ESV
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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As you can see the WTS is the devil's own. When they knock on your door, smiling ,remember the above scriptures and the lies they peddle as though they were truth.
What they are selling is poison to your everlasting life and not must good in thIs one either, for it will destroy your family if you ever try to leave that org.
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Mar 26, 2013
 
CORRECTION :
Lie #1 Should read The WT teaches that Christians believe God AND JESUS are the same person.
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“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

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Mar 26, 2013
 
little angel wrote:
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My point is that the tetragrammaton does not equate to "Jehovah"....never did and never will. Therefore, Jehovah cannot be God's true name.
The church world (includes JWs and all Christendom), however, does use "Jehovah" in the translations. If they did not, what would they use, since the possibilities would be more than one without any indication of that second vowel. All we could be somewhat definite on would be YAHW_H, or with the Latin letters, JAHV_H, and neither of them is JEHOVAH.
If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.

Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

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What do scholars say about YHWH? Educate yourself!
You may find this interesting:- http://karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf
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Mar 26, 2013
 
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> They are separate man, no one is saying otherwise.
Little Angel is debate him/her.
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<quoted text> No one claims Jesus was not dead for 3 days. That is another lie of the WT that want you to believe that true Christians believe when they believe no such thing.
A dead individual cannot raise himself up Duh!!
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Mar 26, 2013
 
Dee lightful "The WT teaches that Christians believe God are the same person." Try to make sense!
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Mar 26, 2013
 
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.
Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?
Is there one scholar that says Jesus is not an accurate translation? You are using a straw man argument which means you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. When do the WTS say the name Jehovah is not accurate? Do you know why?
This is what your own masters say,
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1. "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century.(The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1969, p. 23.)
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2. at the expense of truth and accuracy, which they knew about. Notice how many times this was done in the NWT:
It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they openly admit Yahweh is more correct?-- How can they claim that God's name Jehovah should be vindicated?
it is the due time and the vindication of his name Jehovah draws near. Let none now ignore that name!(The Truth Shall Make You Free, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1943, p. 34)
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3“…down through the centuries, the correct pronunciation of the divine name in Hebrew has been lost. Hence, it is uncertain what vowels should be used to fill in the name.”(Watchtower, Feb.1, 1980).
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4.There is also evidence from other sources that “YAW-vey” is closer to the true pronunciation. From Let Us Reason Ministries [Emphasis mine]:
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5. THE UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA says “JEHOVAH is an erroneous pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, a four lettered name of God, made up of the Hebrew letters Yod He Vav He. The word “JEHOVAH” therefore is a misreading for which there is no warrant and which makes no sense in Hebrew.
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6. The WT/JW's don’t even know what it Gods' name is .tHE wt was to continue using a false name because they were arrogant to take that name to make themselves appear superior and now they are cause between a rock and hard place because their arrogance would allow them to admit their very name shows the world their religion is man made.
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7. God's hand is at work in slapping down the false teachers and false prophets.
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Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.
Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?
Spelling has nothing to do with it. If I understand correctly, "Peter" is the same as "Pedro." But, "Jehovah" has nothing to do with a name or YHWH because it is a combination of the vowels of one word and the consonamts of another word. It is a hybrid, man-made, unreal, false substitute for a word whose pronuncitation has been lost in history. We can ascertain that the shortened form is probably YAH (JAH), but the next to last letter can only be guessed, and the end result is nothing like Jehovah. Yahweh would be closer that Jehovah.

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man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>A dead individual cannot raise himself up Duh!!
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. Read John 10: 17-18..

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Mar 26, 2013
 
Why would he have the authority to recieve it back again.. IF in fact ..it was just a case of the father..breathing life back into him..???
the KJV uses the word (Power) why power..if GOD was to do it for him??
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Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> You may find this interesting:- http://karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf
From what the link says, one Nehemia Gordon says that the form for God's name is Jehovah. But, in the actual paper that Mr. Gordon wrote, scholars say the form is Yahweh. I don't know how many scholars that is, but from just a quick reading of these documents, my first instinct is to go with the majority, which agrees with what I wrote.
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man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Little Angel is debate him/her.
having trouble understanding what Christendom teaches about the Trinity? Don't feel bad; you're not alone. According to Patricia Lyon in the ebook, Carnival Mirrors, you have the same problem as the two JWs who came to her house and told her that Catholics believed in three gods.(They should have listened to a priest instead of the mistake-making men of the GB. A quick phone call to the Catholic Church by Ms. Lyon cleared the whole matter up, and the JWs, when informed that they had made an error, didn't even have the decency to apologize for implying Ms. Lyon was an ignorant liar.)

Believing the WT can be dangerous to one's spiritual health.
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For a religion that claims to be sticklers for truthful accuracy have really bit the dust on this one. They have the arrogance to claim God Himself named them,yet He butchered His own name! They have strained the gnat and gulped down the camel. They have once again proved to be the stupid prophets in Ezekiel chap.13!
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How can they on one hand claim they were named by God Himself,and on the other hand say they retained the erroneous "Jehovah"? nother JW cunundrom! Yahweh is The Fathers name and once again reality and evolving scholarship have caught them behind the eightball.

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