The Governing Body Does NOT Lie!

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#91 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
So all of you are claiming Jesus was not dead and raised himself up right? From what? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? FYI 1John 3:22 "When though he raised himself up".. Oh but that's not what it says so what was he referring to earlier? That when he was killed the temple significance was no longer and he until raised up there was no temple.
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. assumning that..he was speaking of his body..as his temple.. AS that is the bible tells us.. That our body is a temple he resides in..
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#92 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize that what you posted supports God and Jesus being separate right?
They are separate man, no one is saying otherwise.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#93 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
So all of you are claiming Jesus was not dead and raised himself up right? From what? Do you realize how ridiculous that is? FYI 1John 3:22 "When though he raised himself up".. Oh but that's not what it says so what was he referring to earlier? That when he was killed the temple significance was no longer and he until raised up there was no temple.
No one claims Jesus was not dead for 3 days. That is another lie of the WT that want you to believe that true Christians believe when they believe no such thing.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#94 Mar 26, 2013
Note the 2 false teachings of the WTS about what others believe.
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Lie #1.
The WT teaches that Christians believe God are the same person.
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Lie#2.
The WT teaches that Christians do not believe Jesus was not really dead for days.
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LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES
What do you thing of a religion that lies about what others believe in order to boost themselves?
Would God pick liars to be his people?
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What he would say is,
Proverbs 19:9 ESV
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.
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Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
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John 8:44 ESV
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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As you can see the WTS is the devil's own. When they knock on your door, smiling ,remember the above scriptures and the lies they peddle as though they were truth.
What they are selling is poison to your everlasting life and not must good in thIs one either, for it will destroy your family if you ever try to leave that org.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#95 Mar 26, 2013
CORRECTION :
Lie #1 Should read The WT teaches that Christians believe God AND JESUS are the same person.
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“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

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#96 Mar 26, 2013
little angel wrote:
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My point is that the tetragrammaton does not equate to "Jehovah"....never did and never will. Therefore, Jehovah cannot be God's true name.
The church world (includes JWs and all Christendom), however, does use "Jehovah" in the translations. If they did not, what would they use, since the possibilities would be more than one without any indication of that second vowel. All we could be somewhat definite on would be YAHW_H, or with the Latin letters, JAHV_H, and neither of them is JEHOVAH.
If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.

Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

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#97 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
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What do scholars say about YHWH? Educate yourself!
You may find this interesting:- http://karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf
man_711

Bothell, WA

#98 Mar 26, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> They are separate man, no one is saying otherwise.
Little Angel is debate him/her.
man_711

Bothell, WA

#99 Mar 26, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> No one claims Jesus was not dead for 3 days. That is another lie of the WT that want you to believe that true Christians believe when they believe no such thing.
A dead individual cannot raise himself up Duh!!
man_711

Bothell, WA

#100 Mar 26, 2013
Dee lightful "The WT teaches that Christians believe God are the same person." Try to make sense!
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#101 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.
Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?
Is there one scholar that says Jesus is not an accurate translation? You are using a straw man argument which means you don't have a leg to stand on and you know it. When do the WTS say the name Jehovah is not accurate? Do you know why?
This is what your own masters say,
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1. "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century.(The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1969, p. 23.)
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2. at the expense of truth and accuracy, which they knew about. Notice how many times this was done in the NWT:
It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they openly admit Yahweh is more correct?-- How can they claim that God's name Jehovah should be vindicated?
it is the due time and the vindication of his name Jehovah draws near. Let none now ignore that name!(The Truth Shall Make You Free, Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1943, p. 34)
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3“…down through the centuries, the correct pronunciation of the divine name in Hebrew has been lost. Hence, it is uncertain what vowels should be used to fill in the name.”(Watchtower, Feb.1, 1980).
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4.There is also evidence from other sources that “YAW-vey” is closer to the true pronunciation. From Let Us Reason Ministries [Emphasis mine]:
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5. THE UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA says “JEHOVAH is an erroneous pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, a four lettered name of God, made up of the Hebrew letters Yod He Vav He. The word “JEHOVAH” therefore is a misreading for which there is no warrant and which makes no sense in Hebrew.
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6. The WT/JW's don’t even know what it Gods' name is .tHE wt was to continue using a false name because they were arrogant to take that name to make themselves appear superior and now they are cause between a rock and hard place because their arrogance would allow them to admit their very name shows the world their religion is man made.
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7. God's hand is at work in slapping down the false teachers and false prophets.
little angel

Pittsburgh, PA

#102 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> If you want to say Jehovah is not Gods name in English because it is not spelt the same as it is pronounced in Hebrew then why do you not fight equally hard against Jesus's erroneous name (using your same logic). Jesus is not spelled nor pronounced as it was spoken in Hebrew or Greek. I presume you are perfectly fine with this pronunciation although not accurate using your logic.
Do you believe that Jesus is not the Sons true name?
Spelling has nothing to do with it. If I understand correctly, "Peter" is the same as "Pedro." But, "Jehovah" has nothing to do with a name or YHWH because it is a combination of the vowels of one word and the consonamts of another word. It is a hybrid, man-made, unreal, false substitute for a word whose pronuncitation has been lost in history. We can ascertain that the shortened form is probably YAH (JAH), but the next to last letter can only be guessed, and the end result is nothing like Jehovah. Yahweh would be closer that Jehovah.

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#103 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>A dead individual cannot raise himself up Duh!!
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. Read John 10: 17-18..

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#104 Mar 26, 2013
Why would he have the authority to recieve it back again.. IF in fact ..it was just a case of the father..breathing life back into him..???
the KJV uses the word (Power) why power..if GOD was to do it for him??
little angel

Pittsburgh, PA

#105 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> You may find this interesting:- http://karaite-korner.org/yhwh_2.pdf
From what the link says, one Nehemia Gordon says that the form for God's name is Jehovah. But, in the actual paper that Mr. Gordon wrote, scholars say the form is Yahweh. I don't know how many scholars that is, but from just a quick reading of these documents, my first instinct is to go with the majority, which agrees with what I wrote.
little angel

Pittsburgh, PA

#106 Mar 26, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Little Angel is debate him/her.
having trouble understanding what Christendom teaches about the Trinity? Don't feel bad; you're not alone. According to Patricia Lyon in the ebook, Carnival Mirrors, you have the same problem as the two JWs who came to her house and told her that Catholics believed in three gods.(They should have listened to a priest instead of the mistake-making men of the GB. A quick phone call to the Catholic Church by Ms. Lyon cleared the whole matter up, and the JWs, when informed that they had made an error, didn't even have the decency to apologize for implying Ms. Lyon was an ignorant liar.)

Believing the WT can be dangerous to one's spiritual health.
Tao itness

United States

#107 Mar 26, 2013
For a religion that claims to be sticklers for truthful accuracy have really bit the dust on this one. They have the arrogance to claim God Himself named them,yet He butchered His own name! They have strained the gnat and gulped down the camel. They have once again proved to be the stupid prophets in Ezekiel chap.13!
Tao itness

United States

#108 Mar 26, 2013
How can they on one hand claim they were named by God Himself,and on the other hand say they retained the erroneous "Jehovah"? nother JW cunundrom! Yahweh is The Fathers name and once again reality and evolving scholarship have caught them behind the eightball.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

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#109 Mar 27, 2013
little angel wrote:
Spelling has nothing to do with it. If I understand correctly, "Peter" is the same as "Pedro."
No Pedro is not the same as Peter. It is a different translation of the name Peter just like Jehovah is a different translation of the name YHWH and just like Jesus is a different translation of the name Yeshua/Yahshua
little angel wrote:
But, "Jehovah" has nothing to do with a name or YHWH because it is a combination of the vowels of one word and the consonamts of another word.
It uses the transliterated consonants of YHWH/JHVH but you are mistaken it doesn't use the vowels from another word that is just complete nonsense someone made up. Someone could just as easily say that Jesus is so far removed from Yeshua or IESOUS and then claim that it is an incorrect word inserted incorrectly into the NT. Yet people who hate Jehovah's English name but love Jesus's English name refuse to see their complete hypocrisy.
little angel wrote:
It is a hybrid, man-made, unreal, false substitute for a word whose pronuncitation has been lost in history. We can ascertain that the shortened form is probably YAH (JAH), but the next to last letter can only be guessed, and the end result is nothing like Jehovah.
If you believe this then Jesus is a hybrid, man-made, unreal, false substitute for a word and not only that but it is done deliberately because we actually know the consonants and vowels for his name and the pronunciation it is just people refuse to use his actual name Which sounds more like hey-soos and is spelt IESOUS.
little angel wrote:
Yahweh would be closer that Jehovah.
Yeshua would be closer than Jesus so by all means feel free to scrub out all the incorrect words (Jesus) from the NT and replace it with Yeshua or forever be calling on the incorrect name Jesus. Do you see where your faulty reasoning is leading this discussion.

If it is not Jehovah then it is not Jesus. If you demand it to be spelt correctly as is then YHWH and IESOUS should be used and you should insist on Jesus's name being pronounced Hey-soos. After all you are insisting that we pronounce Gods name as correctly as possible.

I on the other hand am happy to use Gods name in its English form Jehovah. Why? Because that is the way the English language has come to pronounce and present Gods name.

From YHWH - JHVH - JEHOVAH

I also am happy to use Gods Sons name in its English form Jesus. Why? Because that is the way the English language has come to pronounce and present Gods Sons name.

From IESOUS - JESUS

Remember the name "Jesus" is a combination of the Greek "Iesous" and the Latin version employing the letter J. This name commonly used in Christianity did not exist until about 500 years ago.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#110 Mar 27, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> No Pedro is not the same as Peter. It is a different translation of the name Peter just like Jehovah is a different translation of the name YHWH and just like Jesus is a different translation of the name Yeshua/Yahshua <quoted text> It uses the transliterated consonants of YHWH/JHVH but you are mistaken it doesn't use the vowels from another word that is just complete nonsense someone made up. Someone could just as easily say that Jesus is so far removed from Yeshua or IESOUS and then claim that it is an incorrect word inserted incorrectly into the NT. Yet people who hate Jehovah's English name but love Jesus's English name refuse to see their complete hypocrisy. <quoted text> If you believe this then Jesus is a hybrid, man-made, unreal, false substitute for a word and not only that but it is done deliberately because we actually know the consonants and vowels for his name and the pronunciation it is just people refuse to use his actual name Which sounds more like hey-soos and is spelt IESOUS. <quoted text> Yeshua would be closer than Jesus so by all means feel free to scrub out all the incorrect words (Jesus) from the NT and replace it with Yeshua or forever be calling on the incorrect name Jesus. Do you see where your faulty reasoning is leading this discussion.
If it is not Jehovah then it is not Jesus. If you demand it to be spelt correctly as is then YHWH and IESOUS should be used and you should insist on Jesus's name being pronounced Hey-soos. After all you are insisting that we pronounce Gods name as correctly as possible.
I on the other hand am happy to use Gods name in its English form Jehovah. Why? Because that is the way the English language has come to pronounce and present Gods name.
From YHWH - JHVH - JEHOVAH
I also am happy to use Gods Sons name in its English form Jesus. Why? Because that is the way the English language has come to pronounce and present Gods Sons name.
From IESOUS - JESUS
Remember the name "Jesus" is a combination of the Greek "Iesous" and the Latin version employing the letter J. This name commonly used in Christianity did not exist until about 500 years ago.
Why does your own leaders say Jehovah is wrong? Can you look at that in the face and know your belief in a false name is an insult to the God you think you are following?

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