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Spike

Boonton, NJ

#85 Dec 10, 2012
sorry karen but your story is not adding up, and wreaks of dishonesty on your part
shame on you!

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#86 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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If the family is not going to pursue this, which is the case, they can say I am lying and the Elder could take me to court for defamation of character. You know this, I know this, I am not going to give out these peoples names. It was gone through three years ago for the one child, and the other one is grown with a family of her own now. They live no where around this Elder anymore and I have no idea if they are even witnesses anymore. As I have said before, they moved away and I have no idea where they are. I made some promises to the one mother, and I will keep them.
Karen,
If you do not pursue this, then you are just as guilty as the Elders and the parents.

“Tight lines”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#87 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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If the family is not going to pursue this, which is the case, they can say I am lying and the Elder could take me to court for defamation of character. You know this, I know this, I am not going to give out these peoples names. It was gone through three years ago for the one child, and the other one is grown with a family of her own now. They live no where around this Elder anymore and I have no idea if they are even witnesses anymore. As I have said before, they moved away and I have no idea where they are. I made some promises to the one mother, and I will keep them.
And in addition, if they ARE lying to the police, then they should all be disfellowshipped.
I am sorry but, your story does not ring true at all.
There are way to many road blocks.
And if it IS true, then it is your fault if the other Elders hurts another kid&#127839;.
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#88 Dec 10, 2012
florida native wrote:
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Karen,
If you do not pursue this, then you are just as guilty as the Elders and the parents.
fl native, i know for a fact that in florida you can report online on the state website anonymously. i am sure in any state the informant's identity can not be disclosed, as well as immumity granted if made in good faith, regardless of the eventual outcome
like i said, things in karens story do not add up
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#89 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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There was no skirting the law on my part, but on the part of the Elders of the KH, and the fathers of the girls. I did the moral thing and nothing was EVER done. Call them about if you have a problem.
How???
Did you contact child services???
You call me a liar, and I never have, however you just keep getting caught in your own.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#90 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Not true, they didn't on this one. Why do you think we hear so many stories now says of children being beaten to death because the worker didn't follow through on a lead?
They are bound by law to at least contact the family.
The problem is NOT just overworked social workers, but those who see abuse and do not address the parents or contact the authorities.
Like Nomi who proudly posted that she was warned by another "sister" there was a pedophile at their Kingdumb Hall, and she protected her own child, and did nothing else.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#91 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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You know I cant do that FN. One of the Elders is now dead, and the mother of the other young girl would not appreciate me giving out her information. I could be sued then for giving out private information and you know it. The Elders, the police and the Social Services were notified and all did nothing. They would tell you the same thing they told me, if the parents are not willing to cooperate, there is nothing they can do.
So you honestly believe that the police and social services are not aware that there are parents who abuse their children, and don't investigate further without parental consent??
You need to educate yourself there.
I can see why you hate me, I actually post the truth, not JW fantasies.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#92 Dec 10, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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If the family is not going to pursue this, which is the case, they can say I am lying and the Elder could take me to court for defamation of character. You know this, I know this, I am not going to give out these peoples names. It was gone through three years ago for the one child, and the other one is grown with a family of her own now. They live no where around this Elder anymore and I have no idea if they are even witnesses anymore. As I have said before, they moved away and I have no idea where they are. I made some promises to the one mother, and I will keep them.
You don't have to here, but you know you are dropping the ball morally.
But then again Karen, you seem to believe as long as you keep labeling yourself "Christian" you don't actually have to behave in a moral fashion, or even follow the actual teachings of Jesus Christ.
That is why you defend the Jehovah's Witness cult so vehemently, that is how you were raised
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#93 Dec 10, 2012
karen has just exposed herself as a spineless liar
TPMP

Brooklyn, NY

#94 Dec 10, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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I guess the next logical question would be just how thorough ARE their investigations? In the Jayce Dugard case, they had visited the Garrido home 60 times and never found any sign of anything that the neighbors had reported seeing. I have to conclude that this was not an isolated case, and wonder how many thousands of reports and home investigations are done with a blind eye and a slipshod manner.
OK. In interest of fairness.

I will say that there are some that do slip through the cracks.

Although, it's rare.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#95 Dec 10, 2012
Spike wrote:
<quoted text>fl native, i know for a fact that in florida you can report online on the state website anonymously. i am sure in any state the informant's identity can not be disclosed, as well as immumity granted if made in good faith, regardless of the eventual outcome
like i said, things in karens story do not add up
I have known people who WERE innocently accused of neglect and investigated.
While it was traumatic, they understood.
Charges were never filed, how ridiculous.
The ones I knew just wished those who misread what was going on has asked questions or come to them first.

But then again, my friends are good people.

Can you imagine a female Jehovah's Witness questioning an almighty, appointed by the fairy tale character of "jehovah", elder??
That is why the authorities need to be contacted, and they will investigate at the very least.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#96 Dec 10, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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I guess the next logical question would be just how thorough ARE their investigations? In the Jayce Dugard case, they had visited the Garrido home 60 times and never found any sign of anything that the neighbors had reported seeing. I have to conclude that this was not an isolated case, and wonder how many thousands of reports and home investigations are done with a blind eye and a slipshod manner.
Yes, you mean Nancy Garrido, raised as a Jehovah's Witness and who met Phillip by going to his prison and reading Watchtower propaganda with him, so he could convert, who was a known pedophile, and she aided in his kidnapping and rape of children?
Not surprising that is was two female officers that cracked that case was it??
Seems we need some more female officers investigating these cases!

We ALL need to be more diligent about the rights of children, not their parents right to abuse them

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#97 Dec 10, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>OK. In interest of fairness.
I will say that there are some that do slip through the cracks.
Although, it's rare.
But we do not know how rare...or how often these slip-ups occur, especially when the field investigators are heavily overworked and understaffed. We only hear of these cases through the media after a newsworthy event occurs and brings it to our attention.
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#98 Dec 10, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>OK. In interest of fairness.
I will say that there are some that do slip through the cracks.
Although, it's rare.
yes tp, some slip though the cracks due to imperfection BUT child protective services NEVER refuses to investigate due to the parents not wanting to advance with the case.
karen has just shown that she is one of two things:
either she is a liar, making up this situation
or
she is a weak spineless person who is no better than the wt she denounces
Spike

Boonton, NJ

#99 Dec 10, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>OK. In interest of fairness.
I will say that there are some that do slip through the cracks.
Although, it's rare.
yes tp, some slip though the cracks due to imperfection BUT child protective services NEVER refuses to investigate due to the parents not wanting to advance with the case.
karen has just shown that she is one of two things:
either she is a liar, making up this situation
or
she is a weak spineless person who is no better than the wt she denounces
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#100 Dec 10, 2012
Spike wrote:
<quoted text>yes tp, some slip though the cracks due to imperfection BUT child protective services NEVER refuses to investigate due to the parents not wanting to advance with the case.
karen has just shown that she is one of two things:
either she is a liar, making up this situation
or
she is a weak spineless person who is no better than the wt she denounces
I believe she is both.
We can hope and pray she gains some strength, but to do that she has to come to terms with the truth, and not the lies she rationalizes in her head

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#101 Dec 11, 2012
florida native wrote:
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Karen,
If you do not pursue this, then you are just as guilty as the Elders and the parents.
FN, I did pursue it. I no longer live in the area it happened, and the family has moved away and I have no idea where they are. If the mother choses to do something about it, I am sure she will contact me and let me know where she is, and I would be more than happy to help her. The elder that has since died is the one that molested the young girl who is now married with a family of her own. I don't think they could do anything to him, do you?

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#102 Dec 11, 2012
hMMMMMM wrote:
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How???
Did you contact child services???
You call me a liar, and I never have, however you just keep getting caught in your own.
LOL you are a piece of work. I did contact child services, I went to the police, I went to the Elders. NOTHING. I don't care if any of you believe me, once you are told that you can do nothing unless the parents press charges, then what else am I to do?
You come here and constantly lie about things and you are caught in them, I have yet to be caught in a lie, no one has proven anything I have said as to be a lie. You however say things like all JW parents are forcing their children to be submissive to the Elders and that is a lie! You say that all Elders are uneducated and that is a lie! YOU say that all JW parents are bad and that is a lie! the list goes on and on with you.
I cannot prove what I am saying about these occurrences unless I gave out names and I am not going to do that,no more than anyone else here would give out names. If I told the names, any of you could find out where I am and I do not trust most of those here knowing where I am. Sure you would say, "I wont tell anyone, but as soon as I say something that ticks you off, there goes my information all over the internet". The only thing I can say is, you are damned if you try to help and damned if you don't.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#103 Dec 11, 2012
hMMMMMM wrote:
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So you honestly believe that the police and social services are not aware that there are parents who abuse their children, and don't investigate further without parental consent??
You need to educate yourself there.
I can see why you hate me, I actually post the truth, not JW fantasies.
You are the biggest liar on this forum. Did I ever say they did not contact the parents? How would they have known that the parents did not want to take it any farther? How do I know what the parents said to this worker? All I know is, I was told that the parents did not wish to take it any farther. What do you want me to do hmmm, tell them I want the papers showing this? I did what I could and I can do no more, I am not the parents of this child.
I do not hate you, but I hate the lies you tell, as in now.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#104 Dec 11, 2012
hMMMMMM wrote:
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You don't have to here, but you know you are dropping the ball morally.
But then again Karen, you seem to believe as long as you keep labeling yourself "Christian" you don't actually have to behave in a moral fashion, or even follow the actual teachings of Jesus Christ.
That is why you defend the Jehovah's Witness cult so vehemently, that is how you were raised
How did I drop the ball? I did everything I could to help this child and her mother. It was the father who believed what the Elders told him to do, that let the ball drop.
I am a Christian, I do not lie,I do follow Jesus in all that I do as closely as I can.
I cannot give out these names of these people. Why don't you tell us your name on here hmmm, tell us the names of those in your family. You say your father and mother were mean to you, isn't that abuse, according to your stories it was. Tell us their names so we can turn them in. You are not stupid enough to do that are you? You know what those here would do with that information don't you?
I defend the JW religion against the lies that you tell because of your hatred for them. I was raised to tell the truth, to not tell lies just to get back at someone who did something to me. People can see how they are by watching them, they can see the untruths they teach by reading what they believe, there is no need to lie about them to get people to distrust them as you do.

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