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Trippintoni

Gonzales, LA

#1 Jan 9, 2013
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#2 Jan 9, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
Good. You are not going to get the real deal on the internet. I hope you do study, I hope you will enjoy your study. I know I did, and I still do! Ask all the questions you need to ask when you do study. The internet is really not the place you can get a good answer.:-) Best to you.
Lol

United States

#3 Jan 9, 2013
You're not going to get the real deal studying with a JW either, unless what you actually want is to be indoctrinated into a high-control group posing as a religious organization who wants free labor to distribute their balogna to the public.
Remnant143999

Albuquerque, NM

#4 Jan 9, 2013
Study on your own.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#5 Jan 9, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
Good for you!

Just make contact with your local Kingdom Hall or go to jw.org and ask for a study.

If you want to learn faster go to the meetings.

You don't have to go door-to-door unless you want to get baptised.

Enjoy!

Since: Jul 10

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#6 Jan 9, 2013
bystander no more wrote:
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Good for you!
Just make contact with your local Kingdom Hall or go to jw.org and ask for a study.
If you want to learn faster go to the meetings.
You don't have to go door-to-door unless you want to get baptised.
Enjoy!
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. Ha..already their lying to you..

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#7 Jan 9, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Ha..already their lying to you..
You will find out that Maravilla is lying to you. Keep going, don't believe these nay-sayers. They keep telling lies. See for yourself, like I did, and don't listen to the half-baked lies of opposers. "Bystander No More" is telling you the truth. Maravilla is lying, but find out for yourself, like I did and millions of others have done. Enjoy your study, enjoy your association at the Kingdom Hall, and enjoy the promises of God as recorded in the Bible as you learn what God's will is for you.
Dandy Randy

Tucker, GA

#8 Jan 9, 2013
The best description of Jehovah's Witnesses I've seen here said they are a cult full of false prophecies and doctrines propped up by scriptures they rewrote and molested children.

I can't remember the rest, but the bottom line is, it's a fake religion built on lies to control mentally inferior people.
little lamb

Nudgee, Australia

#9 Jan 10, 2013
In scripture it shows by Phillip when he was sent to the Ethiopian..that he spent a little time in studying scripture with the eunuch..to show him , how it bears witness to Christ.

Then the Eunuch asked Phillip.." What was stopping him being baptized" then Phillip baptized him and they never saw each other again.

Same with Cornelius, the Roman centurion..he was told to send for Peter.

Peter came and bore witness to Jesus..and during the witnessing to the centurion , Holy Spirit fell upon the centurion and all those with him..So then Peter stated who could with hold baptism from them.

You see you have to be witnessed to about CHRIST...and when you receive him into your life through BELIEF you are BAPTIZED.

And as PETER told the crowd.." repent and be baptized and you will receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, for this promise is to you and your children, and as many as Jehovah may call."

The problem you may face today , is people are bearing witness to their organizations and not CHRIST..for its only baptism into Christ where we receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, and the anointing then teaches us all things and we don't need any man to teach us..but the anointing teaches us to be in union [unity] with Christ.
little lamb

Nudgee, Australia

#10 Jan 10, 2013
Its also important to know Jesus did not come to mediate a RELIGION but to mediate a covenant between God and men.

Without the Holy Spirit, no man can write Gods Laws upon your heart and mind..That's an action of God upon the person who exercises faith in his son Jesus Christ..And that's why Jesus said " True worshipers will worship the Father in SPIRIT and TRUTH..because its all done by HIS SPIRIT..He is creating us new in the image of his Son.
Thats why Jesus is responsible for salvation to all those who obey him.

You can't afford to let an organization take JESUS place..his role..he is the HEAD of his congregation..nobody else.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#11 Jan 10, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
That's good.

Before you begin your study in the "What Does the Bible Really Teach" book be sure to ask the Jehovah's Witnesses this question:

"What do I have to do to be saved?" and ask them to show you from Scripture.

Watch your back if they contradict the following:

Then he escorted them out and said,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
So they said,“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house. He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized.
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His entire household was saved in less than 24 hours.

Ask the JW's hoiw long will it take for you to be saved.

You can read the account in your own Bible at Acts 16:27-34...

27 When the jailer woke up and saw the doors of the prison open, he drew his sword and was going to kill himself, since he thought the prisoners had escaped.
28 But Paul called out in a loud voice,“Don’t harm yourself, because all of us are here!”
29 Then the jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 Then he escorted them out and said,“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 So they said,“Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house. 33 He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized. 34 He brought them up into his house, set a meal before them, and rejoiced because he had believed God with his entire household.
Acts 16:27-34

Since: Mar 12

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#12 Jan 10, 2013
Lol wrote:
You're not going to get the real deal studying with a JW either, unless what you actually want is to be indoctrinated into a high-control group posing as a religious organization who wants free labor to distribute their balogna to the public.
Sadly, this is what some people desire. They do not want to be held responsible for themselves, so they hand all the responsibility over to the WTBTS.

The pressure of studying Gods word is lifted, the critical thinking pressure is lifted.

From the point they knock on your door, you no longer have to think for yourself.

Just like the military, they tell you what and when to believe, when they decide. If the WTBTS came out with an article tomorrow, saying cheesecake was Satan's dessert, the rank and file would never taste cheesecake again.

Since: Dec 12

Glasgow, UK

#13 Jan 10, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
away and study then.....drama queen....

if you do....and you get baptised......it will serve you right for your stupidity

there is enough info out there to totally debunk JW's.....loads

if you cant see where they are wrong....go and join them then

and do you want us to help you put your shorts on for you and brush your hair for toddler school?

learn to stand on your own two feet

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#14 Jan 10, 2013
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Sadly, this is what some people desire. They do not want to be held responsible for themselves, so they hand all the responsibility over to the WTBTS.
The pressure of studying Gods word is lifted, the critical thinking pressure is lifted.
From the point they knock on your door, you no longer have to think for yourself.
Just like the military, they tell you what and when to believe, when they decide. If the WTBTS came out with an article tomorrow, saying cheesecake was Satan's dessert, the rank and file would never taste cheesecake again.
Simply not true. And if a person is in a hurry to "get saved," what are they being saved for or from? I asked many questions of my study conductor. I still have questions and am happy to use the literature that the brothers so lovingly provide for research. I can use other means of research if I want to. It's like learning a foreign language. I have to have a teacher.

The eunuch asked the right question. How can he understand the scriptures unless someone guided him? God knew his heart, and sent Philip to "guide him." Many churches will baptize anyone who wants to be so-called "saved." Maybe any "born again" person will baptize another who wants to be "saved in the name of Lord Jesus," and who claims they repent of their sins and want to be forgiven. So if that's what a person wants, fine. They are free to do that.

The Ethiopian eunuch knew the scriptures, and the Christian evangelizer saw there was no obstacle at the time for him to be baptized. The eunuch asked Philip what is preventing him from getting baptized? And Philip obviously agreed that nothing was in his way. That was Philip's decision and the Ethiopian followed Philip. First a person must study the Bible and understand Bible principles and be willing to abide by them. Some people progress quicker than others. The Jews had a definite, certain way of looking at things. Jews who listened to Jesus in those times knew the scriptures, and refrained from certain activities they knew were displeasing to God. They knew their lives were at stake. If someone wants to be baptized at a Catholic church, or by a Baptist, or an evangelical, or the neighbor down the street, that is their choice. No one is stopping them.

I can just imagine a person baptized as a Catholic, believing as a Catholic, and then teaching in a Baptist church or a synagogue as a leader on a regular basis, leading the congregation in discussion and worship service. Either he'd get followers and start a new church, or he'd be asked to leave. If asked to leave and did not want to leave, I'm sure he would be escorted out.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#15 Jan 10, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
Then please study the bible, but do it with the help of the Holy Spirit, and not one of JW's. There are many here who will tell you that JW's have the truth, and they do have some things correct, but ask them how you obtain salvation, then go look it up in the bible. The internet can be your best friend for researching, and it can be your worst enemy. You have to learn which are sites to be trusted and which are not. There are pros and cons of all religions, but the bible is pure, and the Holy Spirit is there with only the asking. Learn the truth of Gods word, from Gods word.

Since: Mar 12

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#16 Jan 10, 2013
miseracord wrote:
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Simply not true. And if a person is in a hurry to "get saved," what are they being saved for or from? I asked many questions of my study conductor. I still have questions and am happy to use the literature that the brothers so lovingly provide for research. I can use other means of research if I want to. It's like learning a foreign language. I have to have a teacher.
The eunuch asked the right question. How can he understand the scriptures unless someone guided him? God knew his heart, and sent Philip to "guide him." Many churches will baptize anyone who wants to be so-called "saved." Maybe any "born again" person will baptize another who wants to be "saved in the name of Lord Jesus," and who claims they repent of their sins and want to be forgiven. So if that's what a person wants, fine. They are free to do that.
The Ethiopian eunuch knew the scriptures, and the Christian evangelizer saw there was no obstacle at the time for him to be baptized. The eunuch asked Philip what is preventing him from getting baptized? And Philip obviously agreed that nothing was in his way. That was Philip's decision and the Ethiopian followed Philip. First a person must study the Bible and understand Bible principles and be willing to abide by them. Some people progress quicker than others. The Jews had a definite, certain way of looking at things. Jews who listened to Jesus in those times knew the scriptures, and refrained from certain activities they knew were displeasing to God. They knew their lives were at stake. If someone wants to be baptized at a Catholic church, or by a Baptist, or an evangelical, or the neighbor down the street, that is their choice. No one is stopping them.
I can just imagine a person baptized as a Catholic, believing as a Catholic, and then teaching in a Baptist church or a synagogue as a leader on a regular basis, leading the congregation in discussion and worship service. Either he'd get followers and start a new church, or he'd be asked to leave. If asked to leave and did not want to leave, I'm sure he would be escorted out.
What part was untrue?
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#17 Jan 10, 2013
miseracord wrote:
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...And if a person is in a hurry to "get saved," what are they being saved for or from?
After years of involvement with the JW's do you know the answer to that yet?

Since: Mar 12

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#18 Jan 10, 2013
If you want a picture of a true conversion, look at Peter.

Luke 5:8
New King James Version (NKJV)

8 When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying,“Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!”

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#19 Jan 10, 2013
Trippintoni wrote:
I have been reading pros and cons for weeks. I still want to study.
I have one piece of advice.
Study if you want. Explore all things.
However,
When the study conductor, after the paragraph is read, asks you the question from the book, do yourself this one favor.
Refuse to word the answer from the paragraph as it is written.
If you do this your study will end.
You must answer from the study book, the way it is worded, before you go on.
If you use your own words you will be prompted over and over until you say it the way they say it.
This is the very first step in your programming.

Just realizing this one thing will open your eyes.
Just try it, and see what happens.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#20 Jan 10, 2013
UNchained wrote:
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After years of involvement with the JW's do you know the answer to that yet?
I guess he missed that part of the bible. Even the NWT it is very clear.

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