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Beowulf

Colorado Springs, CO

#1 Jul 2, 2011
http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php...

I don't know if many here have ever been on a bible student forum, but they are an almost exact image of their brothers the JW's.

The apple sure didn't fall far from the Russell tree.

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#2 Jul 2, 2011
The Bible students are nothing like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Beowulf

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Jul 2, 2011
Gareth wrote:
The Bible students are nothing like Jehovah's Witnesses.
You have obviously never talked to them.

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#4 Jul 2, 2011
Beowulf wrote:
You have obviously never talked to them.
I obviously know much more about them than you do.
Beowulf

Colorado Springs, CO

#5 Jul 2, 2011
Gareth wrote:
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I obviously know much more about them than you do.
You should, you are one in the same. Just some minor differences.

Although I would say their style of disassociation is more in line with scripture, than yours.

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#6 Jul 2, 2011
Beowulf wrote:
Although I would say their style of disassociation is more in line with scripture, than yours.
You obviously don't know the scriptures either.

wasdeceivedonce

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#7 Jul 2, 2011
Gareth wrote:
The Bible students are nothing like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Please explain.

“Bustin' Myths”

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#8 Jul 2, 2011
Gareth wrote:
The Bible students are nothing like Jehovah's Witnesses.
Instead of just throwing out unfounded statements, how about telling us how they are different.

shel54401

“Why do Jw's LIE?”

Since: Oct 09

Me And The Love of My Life,Jay

#9 Jul 4, 2011
I can say one thing that I have seen a many Bible studies & the JW"S on here act more like the studies than the studies do..

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#10 Jul 4, 2011
Posting this because Gareth is too lazy to look it up. It took all of 10 seconds to find it.

http://biblestudents.net/food4jws/...

What are the doctrinal differences between the two groups, if any?

There are some similarities between the two groups. Both believe in two salvations, an earthly and a heavenly. Both believe in the Kingdom of God as the means of bringing about true peace on earth. Both deny the existence of a place of fiery torment and deny the Trinity doctrine. Apart from these similarties, the two groups are world’s apart.

The following doctrines are an example as to how Bible Students still retain the basic teachings of Pastor Russell in contrast with “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” who do not.

BIBLE STUDENTS: Pastor Russell was led to believe in a future probation because millions have died and continue to die without hearing the Gospel. Of those that do hear, uncertainty and confusion exists in their minds because Christianity of today is burdened with contradictory beliefs and teachings.

JW’S:“Jehovah’s Witnesses” see no further probation for any of the present generation who do not subscribe to their teachings – which means that a large percentage of the world’s population is to perish eternally in Armageddon. In this respect their views are less generous than most established Churches. They not only see no hope for those who live today, who do not subscribe to their teachings, but they entertain no hope for a large percentage of the millions who have gone into the grave since the creation of man. For example, JW’S believe that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. have perished eternally, with no hope for a resurrection.

BIBLE STUDENTS: Pastor Russell pointed to the Scriptures, such as Ezek.16:55, where it declares that these are all going to return to their “former estate.” And our Lord, in Matt. 10:15, confirms this thought when he said,“It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city”-(speaking of the Jews). Thus our Lord pointed forward to a day of judgment for those people who died centuries ago. And again it says, in Acts 17:31 that,“He hath appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness.”

JW’S:“Jehovah’s Witnesses” deny that Adam will ever have a resurrection, while the Scriptures plainly state that Jesus Christ tasted death “for every man.” Heb. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5,6.

BIBLE STUDENTS: Pastor Russell pointed to these scriptures and many others such as 1 Cor. 15:22 –“As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Also Hosea 13:14 –“I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be they plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction.”

Pastor Russell taught, according to the Scriptures, that now is “the day of salvation” for those who are to be the Bride of Christ, the Little Flock; and that another day – a day of salvation is awaiting mankind in general, in the Millennial Age –“the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

“Bustin' Myths”

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#11 Jul 4, 2011
cont.

One of the main teachings of Pastor Russell was that all would be enlightened with a knowledge of God’s Truth before they are placed on trial and judged for their final destiny. For the majority of mankind this would be when they are raised from the dead at the time of the general resurrection. Their final judgment would be based on their conduct while enlightened, not while in ignorance. This teaching separated Bible Students from all other religious groups. Now it separates them from “Jehovah’s Witnesses” as well. This view broke with the concept of salvation current in his day. At that time nearly all evangelists taught a literal hell of torment for those who did not accept Christ in this life. They felt hell-fire threats were necessary to restrain evil and, if need be, to bring salvation by fear. Many theologians have since broadened their concept of salvation beyond this life, but “Jehovah’s Witnesses” hold strongly to the position that those who reject their message are rejecting salvation.

Contrary to our Lord’s Word, every “Jehovah’s Witness” becomes a missionary of life or death, using the fear of eternal destruction or second death as their final appeal.

The Jewish People: Israel, and the Jewish people, present another major difference between Pastor Russell and the JW’s. After applying the Scripture,“Ye are my witnesses saith Jehovah”(Isa. 43:12) to themselves,“Jehovah’s Witnesses” declare that the Jewish people have no special role in the Divine Plan since the death of Jesus. On the contrary, Pastor Russell taught that the Jewish people and nation have a leading role in the Divine Plan for man, and accordingly during the year 1910 he spoke to vast Jewish audiences, comforting them according to the Scripture, Isa. 40:2 –“Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned; for she hath received of the Lord’s hand double for all her sins.” He encouraged them not to join the various churches of today but to wait for the fulfillment of the many Old Testament promises that they would be blessed as a nation.

While they were yet a scattered and dispersed people, he said, upon the basis of these promises, that they would be regathered to Palestine and established as an independent nation. Time has proven this to be so. Although denied by “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” Bible Students today teach that the new state of Israel emerged in Divine Providence and is a precursor to the fulfillment of God’s promise to that nation that,–“Lo the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.”(Jer. 30:3)

And again, Jer.24:6, 7, says,–“I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them and not pull them down; and I will plant them and not pluck them up. And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: for they shall return unto me with their whole heart.”

And a further promise in Jer. 31:27-34 was that,–“Like as I have watched over them to pluck up, and to destroy and to afflict; so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith the Lord… and I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in that day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they break… but this shall be the covenant that I will make… I will put my Law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts… and they shall be my people… I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more."

From these facts it can be seen that Pastor Charles Taze Russell was neither in principle nor in spirit, the founder of “Jehovah’s Witnesses.
rus v

Baia Mare, Romania

#12 Jul 4, 2011
Beowulf wrote:
http://www.biblestudents.net/f orum/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ff6b 9a95dabe3956abfd7dfcbe8abde &action=forum
I don't know if many here have ever been on a bible student forum, but they are an almost exact image of their brothers the JW's.
The apple sure didn't fall far from the Russell tree.
Visited there and just found a good study !

Convince yourselves

http://www.biblestudents.net/forum/index.php...
biblestudent

Somerset, NJ

#13 Jul 8, 2011
If they (e.g. Bible Students & Jehovah's Witnesses) were one and the same. I would suspect they would embrace one another as brethren in Christ, and that certainly is not the case. Ask any JW what they think of the Bible Students, and terms like "apostates" and "Evil Slave" will come up. The Watchtower Society has nothing but derogatory terms for Bible Students.
RR
Millie

United States

#14 Jul 8, 2011
biblestudent wrote:
If they (e.g. Bible Students & Jehovah's Witnesses) were one and the same. I would suspect they would embrace one another as brethren in Christ, and that certainly is not the case. Ask any JW what they think of the Bible Students, and terms like "apostates" and "Evil Slave" will come up. The Watchtower Society has nothing but derogatory terms for Bible Students.
RR
JWs CAN'T embrace any other group as "brethren in Christ". If they did, their whole foundation gets blown out of the water. You know, the whole "we are the only ones with the truth" and all that silliness.
jimi

United States

#15 Jul 8, 2011
Mythbusters wrote:
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Instead of just throwing out unfounded statements, how about telling us how they are different.
But just throwing out unfounded statements is gareth's forte and the sum total of his contribution here.
Joseph Paul

Wakefield, RI

#16 Aug 18, 2012
I was a JW for over 10 years. After I left them I studied with the BS for many years. They are not like the JWS. By the way Russell had nothing to do with JW. He did not start JW religion.
Billy

Sacramento, CA

#17 Oct 10, 2012
Hey everyonejus out of curiousity where areyou gettng you ifo on Jws?
Billy

Sacramento, CA

#18 Oct 10, 2012
just sorry
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#19 Oct 10, 2012
Billy wrote:
Hey everyonejus out of curiousity where areyou gettng you ifo on Jws?
Experience, the best kind of info on JW's.

Although I wouldn't recommend anyone getting any experience with JW's.
Billy

Sacramento, CA

#20 Oct 11, 2012
I hav spoken to them and find them to use there bible very well. Question: Why do people not like JW's? I don't understand, they come to talk about the bible. To me they don't preach hell fire and brimstone like the church I use to go to. I asked them about God's view of Gay and lesbian relationships and they read to me, Romans 1:24-27 and 1 Corinthians 6:9. I think all should read those two scriptures!

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