When is Nissan 14 this year?
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Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#1 Mar 10, 2010
Hello everyone,

I have a question. Is the Jehovah's Witnesses Memorial service suppose to be on Nissan 14?

This year (2010) they plan on celebrating the Memorial Service on March 30th, 2010.

http://www.watchtower.org/e/19980315/article_...
If you want to know more about such matters, we invite you to attend the Memorial of Christ's death on March 30, 2010, at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in your area.

But March 30, 2010 at Sundown it is Nissan 16, 5770 according to the Hebrew calendar.
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/...

Was there more new light on this subject? Even in the past they always celebrated a day late, but still claimed it was on Nisan 14. Now they are 2 days late.

Peace,
Bob
tpmp

Union City, NJ

#2 Mar 10, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have a question. Is the Jehovah's Witnesses Memorial service suppose to be on Nissan 14?
This year (2010) they plan on celebrating the Memorial Service on March 30th, 2010.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/19980315/article_...
If you want to know more about such matters, we invite you to attend the Memorial of Christ's death on March 30, 2010, at a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in your area.
But March 30, 2010 at Sundown it is Nissan 16, 5770 according to the Hebrew calendar.
http://www.hebcal.com/converter/...
Was there more new light on this subject? Even in the past they always celebrated a day late, but still claimed it was on Nisan 14. Now they are 2 days late.
Peace,
Bob
I was told throughout the years the brothers wiuld obseve that most sacred of evenings on according to the timetable of the jewish calendar. Beginning of the jewish passove commemoration. Believe me, they are not wrong regarding the date... TPMP.

Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#3 Mar 10, 2010
Hi TPMP,
tpmp wrote:
<quoted text> I was told throughout the years the brothers wiuld obseve that most sacred of evenings on according to the timetable of the jewish calendar. Beginning of the jewish passove commemoration. Believe me, they are not wrong regarding the date... TPMP.
How are they converting the date? I've checked all the various converters and they all say Nisan 15 for March 30th, 2010 AND Nisan 16th on March 30th, 2010 at sunset.

Who is right, the WTBTS or all the Hebrew Calendar converters?

Peace,
Bob
bill

Las Vegas, NV

#4 Mar 11, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi TPMP,
<quoted text>
How are they converting the date? I've checked all the various converters and they all say Nisan 15 for March 30th, 2010 AND Nisan 16th on March 30th, 2010 at sunset.
Who is right, the WTBTS or all the Hebrew Calendar converters?
Peace,
Bo
b
the correct way to determine this is what phase the moon is in when it is in jerusilem. the memorial should be observed after the full moons happens there. this year it happens on march 30
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Mar 9, 2010 1:55 AM 12:03 PM 6:58 AM 33.7° 400,668 35.2%
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Mar 11, 2010 3:16 AM 1:55 PM 8:33 AM 39.1° 405,377 18.1%
Mar 12, 2010 3:49 AM 2:51 PM 9:17 AM 43.1° 406,007 11.3%
Mar 13, 2010 4:20 AM 3:45 PM 10:00 AM 47.7° 405,648 5.9%
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Mar 17, 2010 6:11 AM 7:26 PM 12:45 PM 68.6° 397,424 2.6%
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Mar 19, 2010 7:17 AM 9:25 PM 2:17 PM 77.6° 390,665 12.8%
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10:36 AM 12:25 AM
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11:42 AM 1:19 AM
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5:19 PM 5:06 AM
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6:27 PM 5:40 AM
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7:36 PM 6:16 AM
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8:44 PM 6:53 AM
- 1:18 AM 45.3° 367,612 98.9%
bill

Las Vegas, NV

#5 Mar 11, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi TPMP,
<quoted text>
How are they converting the date? I've checked all the various converters and they all say Nisan 15 for March 30th, 2010 AND Nisan 16th on March 30th, 2010 at sunset.
Who is right, the WTBTS or all the Hebrew Calendar converters?
Peace,
Bob
one thing i left out is that the observence takes place after sun down the day of the full moon as it happens in jeruselem which this year is march 30

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#6 Mar 11, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi TPMP,
<quoted text>
How are they converting the date? I've checked all the various converters and they all say Nisan 15 for March 30th, 2010 AND Nisan 16th on March 30th, 2010 at sunset.
Who is right, the WTBTS or all the Hebrew Calendar converters?
Peace,
Bob
You don't need to convert the days. The ancient Hebrews followed a 'year by year' calendar. So the first of the year is always taken from the new moon. This means there is always some spare time at the end of each year.

Now, obviously, Nissan 14 is 14 days after the new moon. That makes it on the full moon.

This year full moon is on March 30th.

http://www.shetline.com/java/moonphase/moonph...

If the modern Jewish calendar differs it is possibly because they employ a system that includes leap days and/or leap years. That would explain why a given date can 'drift' from the original Hebrew calculation.

But full moon is the correct date. That would be the 30th March.

Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#7 Mar 11, 2010
Hi Bill,
bill wrote:
<quoted text>
one thing i left out is that the observence takes place after sun down the day of the full moon as it happens in jeruselem which this year is march 30
thanks for the info.. But since when did the WTBTS begin to be moon watchers? Isn't astrology a no-no?

And by what authority does the WTBTS now correct the Hebrew Calendar?

i am just curious...

The first passover was on Nisan 14...
About 1,400-1,500 years later it is celebrated by the Hebrew calendar Nisan 14

Forward almost 2,000 years more... We now have a different metric to determine when Nisan 14 is?

Interesting...

Peace,
Bob
bill

Las Vegas, NV

#8 Mar 11, 2010
Hi Bob,sounds like you want to argue. The first passover took place on nissin the 14th, 14 days after the new moon,closest to the sring equnox,(which is when the month of nissin starts), as observed in jeruselem, then moses led isreal out of egypt. Jesus observed the passover 14 days after the new moon , near the spring equnox, which is nissin the 14th,then he was murderd. This year, in jeruselem, the full moon is on march 30th @ 5:25.am which corrisponds to nissian the 14th. 14 days after the new moon in the month of nissin, which happens neer the spring equnox. The way it is determined today, is the same way as it was then.It has to be calculated from jeruselem,that was the center of true worship,and it was how they did it. and by the way Bob, observing the movement of the universe, to know where you are in space and time is a whole lot different then worshiping it.

Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#9 Mar 11, 2010
Hi Bill,
bill wrote:
Hi Bob,sounds like you want to argue. The first passover took place on nissin the 14th, 14 days after the new moon,closest to the sring equnox,(which is when the month of nissin starts), as observed in jeruselem, then moses led isreal out of egypt. Jesus observed the passover 14 days after the new moon , near the spring equnox, which is nissin the 14th,then he was murderd. This year, in jeruselem, the full moon is on march 30th @ 5:25.am which corrisponds to nissian the 14th. 14 days after the new moon in the month of nissin, which happens neer the spring equnox. The way it is determined today, is the same way as it was then.It has to be calculated from jeruselem,that was the center of true worship,and it was how they did it. and by the way Bob, observing the movement of the universe, to know where you are in space and time is a whole lot different then worshiping it.
That is the first time anyone has given a logical answer to this question in the 5 years or so I've posted it.

I do not recall how the date for Nisan 14 was calculated in Christ's time. Was there a specific passage that show us this?

So how did the Hebrew calendar get so far off?

Peace,
Bob

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#10 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi Bill,
<quoted text>
thanks for the info.. But since when did the WTBTS begin to be moon watchers? Isn't astrology a no-no?
And by what authority does the WTBTS now correct the Hebrew Calendar?
i am just curious...
The first passover was on Nisan 14...
About 1,400-1,500 years later it is celebrated by the Hebrew calendar Nisan 14
Forward almost 2,000 years more... We now have a different metric to determine when Nisan 14 is?
Interesting...
Peace,
Bob
Since when was watching the mood "astrology"??

The Jews' calendar worked by the moon according to the Bible.

Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#11 Mar 12, 2010
Hi Gareth,
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
Since when was watching the mood "astrology"??
The Jews' calendar worked by the moon according to the Bible.
Bill's explanation and distinction was satisfying to me.

I just mentioned it because of the rigorousness Jehovah's Witnesses seem to carry things through like birthdays, worship, prayer, etc... So I thought that stay away from astrology would also treated as such to keep clear of the moon in any future prognostications, include the setting of events. Especially when there is an established calendar Hebrew calendar all set at a fixed 28 days per period.

Peace,
Bob

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#12 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi Gareth,
<quoted text>
Bill's explanation and distinction was satisfying to me.
I just mentioned it because of the rigorousness Jehovah's Witnesses seem to carry things through like birthdays, worship, prayer, etc... So I thought that stay away from astrology would also treated as such to keep clear of the moon in any future prognostications, include the setting of events. Especially when there is an established calendar Hebrew calendar all set at a fixed 28 days per period.
Peace,
Bob
Sorry. That doesn't make sense. We don't avoid food because of Christmas. So we don't avoid the moon because of astrologers.

Since: May 09

Woodstock, IL

#13 Mar 12, 2010
Hi Gareth,
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. That doesn't make sense. We don't avoid food because of Christmas. So we don't avoid the moon because of astrologers.
The best example that i can give is that American JWs do not eat turkey on Thanksgiving because it may be see as participating in the actual holiday.

This is an irrational overreaction based on making sure that nobody celebrates a US holiday.

I just thought that same overreaction attitude holds in the area of astrology and that is why I asked the question.

Other areas that there are overeactions...

My family does not go shopping on the day after Thanksgiving,(traditionally the biggest Christmas shopping day of the year) because it will look like they might celebrate Christmas.

Peace,
Bob

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#14 Mar 12, 2010
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry. That doesn't make sense. We don't avoid food because of Christmas. So we don't avoid the moon because of astrologers.
I read that druids like tarot cards.(Deut 18:10-11) So should we void places that talk about these things, I am sure the WTS would say yes.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#15 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
The best example that i can give is that American JWs do not eat turkey on Thanksgiving because it may be see as participating in the actual holiday.
And you equate that with not looking at the moon? ROFL!!

JWs can and do eat turkey on the day that other's celebrate thanksgiving. But they would not sit down to a thanksgiving meal, turkey or otherwise.

Just like JWs look at the moon. But they would not believe that it effects their future.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#16 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
The best example that i can give is that American JWs do not eat turkey on Thanksgiving because it may be see as participating in the actual holiday.
Jehovah's Witnesses do eat turkey on the day that other people celebrate thanksgiving. But they don't sit down to a thanksgiving meal be it turkey orr otherwise.

Jehovah's Witnesses look at the moon regardles that astrologers read nonsense into it.

To suggest otherwise is silly.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#17 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
The best example that i can give is that American JWs do not eat turkey on Thanksgiving because it may be see as participating in the actual holiday.
Jehovah's Witnesses do eat turkey on the day that other people celebrate thanksgiving. But they don't sit down to a thanksgiving meal be it turkey or otherwise.

Jehovah's Witnesses also look at the moon regardless of what astrologers believe.

Saying different is silly.
little lamb

Australia

#18 Mar 12, 2010
Yes , many forget that God states in Genesis 1 [14]
"And god went on to say : "Let luminaries come to be in the expanse of the heavens to make a division between day and night, and they must serve as SIGNS and and for SEASONS and for DAYS and YEARS'
So not to tell your future or anything, but a measuring of time.
Just as a little interest , many of the priesthood since Babylon started off their astrology from this measurement of seasons and times, because unlettered folk left it to the Priests to tell them when it was time to sow their crops and harvest. Many suspect 'stone-henge' was an edifice to measure times of the moon and raising of the sun at different phases to calculate times and seasons.
wonder

Warrensburg, NY

#19 Mar 12, 2010
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't need to convert the days. The ancient Hebrews followed a 'year by year' calendar. So the first of the year is always taken from the new moon. This means there is always some spare time at the end of each year.
Now, obviously, Nissan 14 is 14 days after the new moon. That makes it on the full moon.
This year full moon is on March 30th.
http://www.shetline.com/java/moonphase/moonph...
If the modern Jewish calendar differs it is possibly because they employ a system that includes leap days and/or leap years. That would explain why a given date can 'drift' from the original Hebrew calculation.
But full moon is the correct date. That would be the 30th March.
. I reflect. a bunch of years ago.. we were given 2 dates for the Memorial.. in case something happen that they were unable to have it on the Full moon.
bill

Las Vegas, NV

#20 Mar 12, 2010
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hi Gareth,
<quoted text>
The best example that i can give is that American JWs do not eat turkey on Thanksgiving because it may be see as participating in the actual holiday.
This is an irrational overreaction based on making sure that nobody celebrates a US holiday.
I just thought that same overreaction attitude holds in the area of astrology and that is why I asked the question.
Other areas that there are overeactions...
My family does not go shopping on the day after Thanksgiving,(traditionally the biggest Christmas shopping day of the year) because it will look like they might celebrate Christmas.
Peace,
Bob
Hi Bob,

The only things set out in the greek scrip. that are to be obstined from are things sacrificed to idols and blood, acts 15:20. The law covenent was fulfilled when Jesus was sacrificed. and therefore not what Gods people are to adhear to anylonger. HOWEVER, Since the scriptures tells us that God does not change mal 3:6 the princepls that govern the law are what HIS people strive to instill in there lives. In matt 22:36-40 Jesus shows that all of the law covenent hangs on love. love of God and love of neighbor. So what you might see as an overreactive attitude, might just be the sensitveity of other peoples to do the best they can to please the Livivg God. astronomy is different than astroligy. astronomy is sience, the study of The Creators universe. Your family not shoping after thanksgiving is there personel choice probably following what paul said at 1 cor 9:19-23 and what Jesus said at lu 17:2. If you are looking at these and other things trying to find flaws,so you can dismiss them as not true, you will always find something that the addversary will use to mess you up.But, if you are looking for truth. God will show Himself to you.The Kingdom halls are full imperfect people, some doing the best they can and not all are at the same place in there spiritual journey. others are not doing anything but taking up space. Although as humans we want to judge things by the negitive things we think we see, The truth of the Living God should not be judged by the actions or inactions of some. Seek the true God and He will let Himself be found by you.

peace
Bill

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