God is love.—1 John 4:8.
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#1 Nov 20, 2012
We do not need to know everything about creation in order to have faith in God as well as love and profound reverence for him. Like friendship with a human, faith in Jehovah is based on more than cold facts. Just as a relationship between friends grows as they get to know each other better, our faith in God increases as we learn more about him. Indeed, his very existence is impressed upon us when he answers our prayers and we note the good effects of applying his principles in our life. We draw ever closer to Jehovah as we see mounting evidence that he is guiding our steps, protecting us, blessing our efforts in his service, and supplying the things we need. All of this provides powerful confirmation of God’s existence and of the operation of his holy spirit. Careful study of the Scriptures can build our faith in God as the one who created all things.(Rev. 4:11) Jehovah became the Creator as an expression of his endearing quality of love. w11 2/15 1:19, 20

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#2 Nov 20, 2012
*** sn song 18 God’s Loyal Love ***

God’s Loyal Love
(Isaiah 55:1-3)

1. Loyal love! God is love.
This truth cheers us from above.
Love caused God to send his Son,
Who for us the ransom won,
That we might gain righteousness,
Life eternal, happiness.
(Chorus)
2. Loyal love! God is love.
All his works give proof thereof.
Love for us he’s further shown,
Giving Christ the kingly throne
To fulfill his cov’nant sworn.
See! His Kingdom has been born.
(Chorus)
3. Loyal love! God is love.
May his love move us to love.
Loyally we’ll help the meek,
As God’s righteous way they seek.
May we preach with godly fear,
Comfort spread for all to hear.
(CHORUS)
Hey there, all you thirsty ones,
Come and drink life’s water free.
Yes, come drink, you thirsty ones;
God’s loving-kindness see.
(See also Ps. 33:5; 57:10; Eph. 1:7.)

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#3 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
We do not need to know everything about creation in order to have faith in God as well as love and profound reverence for him. Like friendship with a human, faith in Jehovah is based on more than cold facts. Just as a relationship between friends grows as they get to know each other better, our faith in God increases as we learn more about him. Indeed, his very existence is impressed upon us when he answers our prayers and we note the good effects of applying his principles in our life. We draw ever closer to Jehovah as we see mounting evidence that he is guiding our steps, protecting us, blessing our efforts in his service, and supplying the things we need. All of this provides powerful confirmation of God’s existence and of the operation of his holy spirit. Careful study of the Scriptures can build our faith in God as the one who created all things.(Rev. 4:11) Jehovah became the Creator as an expression of his endearing quality of love. w11 2/15 1:19, 20
Most, including you, don't seem to know much about God from personal experience, only what you've read or heard about him. Faith is built on personal experience, so your and most others faith on this and the other forums I've visited, is entirely based on "hear say", it seems. That is how most present themselves. Witnesses just believe what the GB tells them, for the most part. In the other religions, it's more like "my pastor will take care of me". Some go where the ears are tickled best. None of those approaches is a personal relationship.

Where did Daniel and Ezekiel attend? Who took care of them? How about Jeremiah? All had a personal relationship. What did Jesus recommend? Going to meetings, or services? Not hardly. Even the prayer he demonstrated was based on a personal relationship, if you think about it. Some say it as a mantra, some use it as a guideline, few actually live by it's thrust. You all seem to live based on your respective religious tenets. That isn't a personal relationship at all. Why do you think Jesus came, and died? It was so that all mankind could have that personal relationship, if they wished it. Most don't. It's too troublesome. It's so much easier to follow some other fool.

sidgi

Since: Aug 09

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#4 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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Most, including you, don't seem to know much about God from personal experience, only what you've read or heard about him. Faith is built on personal experience, so your and most others faith on this and the other forums I've visited, is entirely based on "hear say", it seems. That is how most present themselves. Witnesses just believe what the GB tells them, for the most part. In the other religions, it's more like "my pastor will take care of me". Some go where the ears are tickled best. None of those approaches is a personal relationship.
Where did Daniel and Ezekiel attend? Who took care of them? How about Jeremiah? All had a personal relationship. What did Jesus recommend? Going to meetings, or services? Not hardly. Even the prayer he demonstrated was based on a personal relationship, if you think about it. Some say it as a mantra, some use it as a guideline, few actually live by it's thrust. You all seem to live based on your respective religious tenets. That isn't a personal relationship at all. Why do you think Jesus came, and died? It was so that all mankind could have that personal relationship, if they wished it. Most don't. It's too troublesome. It's so much easier to follow some other fool.
sidgi
"Most, including you, don't seem to know much about God from personal experience, only what you've read or heard about him"

This you know because you have the capability of God to peer into our lives. You're post was doomed from the start and you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#5 Nov 20, 2012
dub boy, your opening post was nice, but i noticed it didn't mention jesus at all.... the chief cornerstone of love, the name given us to call upon..... instead you mentioned jehovah many times, the name rutherford decided to call his religion.

your gov body's form of worship is entirely void of love..... many former members will testify to that.
your whole form of worship consists of calling everyone on the face of the earth names, while you self-appoint yourselves to rule with a fake coming of jesus.

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

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#6 Nov 20, 2012
God is love and jehovah is fake, superficial love.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#7 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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"Most, including you, don't seem to know much about God from personal experience, only what you've read or heard about him"
This you know because you have the capability of God to peer into our lives. You're post was doomed from the start and you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
your knee jerk response is typical of someone following other men. They don't know anything about God in a personal way, so how could you? It isn't about judging people, it is about evaluating what they say. When someone is only speaking about someone they've heard about, it comes across one way, and when they speak about someone they know, it comes across another.

When Witnesses post on a topic, it always follows the same line. The Watchtower organization line. They only use the Watchtower organization's pet scriptures to make their points.

For instance whenever they address the blood transfusion issue, they never address what the bible says about human blood. They always address the issue as if it has to do with animal blood. That is how the Watchtower organization has done it. As if cannibalism is the issue at hand. they don't use those words, but that is the only way eating human blood, even in principle, could be addressed, if God's dealing with animal blood is the only issue ever used as an illustration.

All witnesses seem to be out of their depth in a real bible discussion about something, because it seems they've not done their own thinking, but have adopted the organizations thinking. Try expanding your understanding of this verse......

22 However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word, and not a doer, this one is like a man looking at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself, and off he goes and immediately forgets what sort of man he is. 25 But he who peers into the perfect law that belongs to freedom and who persists in [it], this [man], because he has become, not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, will be happy in his doing [it].

Witnesses in general apply this to the Watchtower Society's notion of preaching. The thrust, however, is more toward personal responsibility. The responsibility to determine for yourself, what is appropriate, not to determine if what your leadership promotes sounds good to you.

That is one of the ways you folks show that your not dealing with God on a personal basis, because what you say doesn't have an individual flavor. You all sound the same. That's not unity, that's laziness.

sidgi

Since: Aug 09

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#8 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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your knee jerk response is typical of someone following other men. They don't know anything about God in a personal way, so how could you? It isn't about judging people, it is about evaluating what they say. When someone is only speaking about someone they've heard about, it comes across one way, and when they speak about someone they know, it comes across another.
When Witnesses post on a topic, it always follows the same line. The Watchtower organization line. They only use the Watchtower organization's pet scriptures to make their points.
For instance whenever they address the blood transfusion issue, they never address what the bible says about human blood. They always address the issue as if it has to do with animal blood. That is how the Watchtower organization has done it. As if cannibalism is the issue at hand. they don't use those words, but that is the only way eating human blood, even in principle, could be addressed, if God's dealing with animal blood is the only issue ever used as an illustration.
All witnesses seem to be out of their depth in a real bible discussion about something, because it seems they've not done their own thinking, but have adopted the organizations thinking. Try expanding your understanding of this verse......
22 However, become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word, and not a doer, this one is like a man looking at his natural face in a mirror. 24 For he looks at himself, and off he goes and immediately forgets what sort of man he is. 25 But he who peers into the perfect law that belongs to freedom and who persists in [it], this [man], because he has become, not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, will be happy in his doing [it].
Witnesses in general apply this to the Watchtower Society's notion of preaching. The thrust, however, is more toward personal responsibility. The responsibility to determine for yourself, what is appropriate, not to determine if what your leadership promotes sounds good to you.
That is one of the ways you folks show that your not dealing with God on a personal basis, because what you say doesn't have an individual flavor. You all sound the same. That's not unity, that's laziness.
sidgi
Knee jerk response? I simply stated the obvious, you maing sweeping accusations stating that all JW's don't have a personal relationship with God. When a JW makes statements such as this we're called every name under the sun. Funny none of the "neutral" people seem to care when anti-JW's do the samething.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#9 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Knee jerk response? I simply stated the obvious, you maing sweeping accusations stating that all JW's don't have a personal relationship with God. When a JW makes statements such as this we're called every name under the sun. Funny none of the "neutral" people seem to care when anti-JW's do the samething.
If all Jehovah's Witnesses, or even very many of them, had a personal relationship with God, they would no longer need the WTBTS teat to suck on. they would be able to stand on their own two feet. They would also see that they've been misled. all religion is a "snare and a racket". It is as true a statement now as it was then. And Jehovah's Witnesses are a religion. if you would have read the bible yourself, you would have realized that there wasn't any allowance for a religion representing God, or Jesus, in the time of the end. Everything Jesus warned about, or spoke against is practiced in your own religion, and excused by the teaching of your leadership. God says to get out od Babylon the Great my people, and all of you stupidly say..."He doesn't mean us."

sidgi

Since: Jan 12

United States

#10 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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If all Jehovah's Witnesses, or even very many of them, had a personal relationship with God, they would no longer need the WTBTS teat to suck on. they would be able to stand on their own two feet. They would also see that they've been misled.
sigi, sounds like you have a relationship with the word of god and holy spirit that calls to you..... that makes you a called one who responds to the call of the word.

you are supposed to eat the bread and drink the wine

instead of denying christ at a wicked demonic memorial, where everyone publicly refuses the blood of christ and boast about how they just rejected the blood of christ, but are the approved ones.

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#11 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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If all Jehovah's Witnesses, or even very many of them, had a personal relationship with God, they would no longer need the WTBTS teat to suck on. they would be able to stand on their own two feet. They would also see that they've been misled. all religion is a "snare and a racket". It is as true a statement now as it was then. And Jehovah's Witnesses are a religion. if you would have read the bible yourself, you would have realized that there wasn't any allowance for a religion representing God, or Jesus, in the time of the end. Everything Jesus warned about, or spoke against is practiced in your own religion, and excused by the teaching of your leadership. God says to get out od Babylon the Great my people, and all of you stupidly say..."He doesn't mean us."
sidgi
That's what it really boils down to, your disdain for organization. You would not have lasted as a first-century Christian. I can hear you now; "Who is this Paul and what right does he have to admonish, exhort, us etc!? I can stand on my own two feet!"

Pathetic opposers. You're going to have to do better than that.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#12 Nov 20, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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sigi, sounds like you have a relationship with the word of god and holy spirit that calls to you..... that makes you a called one who responds to the call of the word.
you are supposed to eat the bread and drink the wine
instead of denying christ at a wicked demonic memorial, where everyone publicly refuses the blood of christ and boast about how they just rejected the blood of christ, but are the approved ones.
I have a personal relationship with God. He tells me what to do. Sometimes, in fact most times, He doesn't tell me anything. While I wait for His direction, I take care of my own life responsibilities. Almost 100% of my time is fully spent on doing that. Anything else would be presumptuous.

sidgi

Since: Aug 09

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#13 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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I have a personal relationship with God. He tells me what to do. Sometimes, in fact most times, He doesn't tell me anything. While I wait for His direction, I take care of my own life responsibilities. Almost 100% of my time is fully spent on doing that. Anything else would be presumptuous.
sidgi
He sure does tell you what to do, straight from his word the bible, but you "stand on your own two feet" know don't you. God's word here is null anf void in your life because you are a pathetic rebel with disdain for organization:

(Hebrews 13:17). . .Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.

Since: Jan 12

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#14 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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I have a personal relationship with God. He tells me what to do. Sometimes, in fact most times, He doesn't tell me anything. While I wait for His direction, I take care of my own life responsibilities. Almost 100% of my time is fully spent on doing that. Anything else would be presumptuous.
sidgi
sidgi, you are supposed to eat the bread and drink the wine

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Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#15 Nov 20, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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sidgi, you are supposed to eat the bread and drink the wine
Where does it say that I am supposed to do that?

sidgi

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#16 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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He sure does tell you what to do, straight from his word the bible, but you "stand on your own two feet" know don't you. God's word here is null anf void in your life because you are a pathetic rebel with disdain for organization:
(Hebrews 13:17). . .Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over YOUR souls as those who will render an account; that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to YOU.
Well, if I took that to mean that God intended for religion, I would be two things. I would be incorrect, and I would be a fool. There are many religions that were around before yours, and yours is no better. The same things that you decry about them, I see in your's. The persons that were leading those in the time period that that letter was written to the Hebrews, had a personal relationship with Jesus, and had a personal responsibility to do the work he gave them. When those men died, and the congregations they started fell away from the purpose given them, that was the end of any need for their existence, or God wouldn't have allowed it to happen. There are no organized religions there, only independent congregations gathered by the apostles and their appointees. At any rate, there was no religion. Just a way of life, separate from the world around them.

sidgi

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#17 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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Well, if I took that to mean that God intended for religion, I would be two things. I would be incorrect, and I would be a fool. There are many religions that were around before yours, and yours is no better. The same things that you decry about them, I see in your's. The persons that were leading those in the time period that that letter was written to the Hebrews, had a personal relationship with Jesus, and had a personal responsibility to do the work he gave them. When those men died, and the congregations they started fell away from the purpose given them, that was the end of any need for their existence, or God wouldn't have allowed it to happen. There are no organized religions there, only independent congregations gathered by the apostles and their appointees. At any rate, there was no religion. Just a way of life, separate from the world around them.
sidgi
You are really reaching aren't you? These scriptures are null and void in your life. It specifically states be obedient to those taking the lead. Taking the lead... leaders... indicates order.. i.e organization, i.e. God's organization, i.e. religion... i.e. a form of worship acceptable to God, i.e. true Christianity.

These words found in the bible have application today, but pathetic opposers such as yourself ignore them because they do not fit what you want to do. You want to stand on your own two feet and worship alone with no imperfect humans to answer to. That is fine by me, but don't pretend that is what the first Christians did and we certainly shouldn't do that today.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Milton, PA

#18 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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You are really reaching aren't you? These scriptures are null and void in your life. It specifically states be obedient to those taking the lead. Taking the lead... leaders... indicates order.. i.e organization, i.e. God's organization, i.e. religion... i.e. a form of worship acceptable to God, i.e. true Christianity.
These words found in the bible have application today, but pathetic opposers such as yourself ignore them because they do not fit what you want to do. You want to stand on your own two feet and worship alone with no imperfect humans to answer to. That is fine by me, but don't pretend that is what the first Christians did and we certainly shouldn't do that today.
So I seem to be taking the lead in serving Jehovah, instead of men, so why aren't you being obedient to that. I am instructing you to read the bible for yourself. To be careful not to get deceived by those false religious leaders you seem to support. I am the one taking the lead in serving Jehovah directly. If you read the scriptures, you can't find one place where God had a religion. He had a nation, and he had a son, and he had apostles, and he had congregations of worshipers. But he had no religion. He didn't need it. The bible is His word, and it is enough. It always has been.

sidgi

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#19 Nov 20, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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So I seem to be taking the lead in serving Jehovah, instead of men, so why aren't you being obedient to that. I am instructing you to read the bible for yourself. To be careful not to get deceived by those false religious leaders you seem to support. I am the one taking the lead in serving Jehovah directly. If you read the scriptures, you can't find one place where God had a religion. He had a nation, and he had a son, and he had apostles, and he had congregations of worshipers. But he had no religion. He didn't need it. The bible is His word, and it is enough. It always has been.
sidgi
LOL you are something else. You are taking the lead in being disobedient to Jehovah. Religion is a form of worship, it's obvious in the bible that there is only one form of worship acceptable to God and that is Christianity, true Christianity. In true Christianity there is order in the way ones worship, part of that order is being submissive to those who take the lead in the congregation, you simply fail to follow that scripture and write it off as not relevant today, big mistake.

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#20 Nov 20, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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LOL you are something else. You are taking the lead in being disobedient to Jehovah. Religion is a form of worship, it's obvious in the bible that there is only one form of worship acceptable to God and that is Christianity, true Christianity. In true Christianity there is order in the way ones worship, part of that order is being submissive to those who take the lead in the congregation, you simply fail to follow that scripture and write it off as not relevant today, big mistake.
jehovah's witnesses are not Christians.

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