Tattoo's and body piercing

Since: Aug 10

Dunbar, UK

#101 Aug 31, 2010
Theophilus wrote:
Well, well, well, I suppose I should be devastated and hurt by your comment concerning my size, there my dear "Rimgnat 35"! If we were dating I suppose I would be.. but your anonymity limits my ability to respond. At least I have the courage to post my picture, where is yours?
My weight goes well with my 6'3" frame, cupcake! As well as the muscle mass of a lifetime of physical labor creates. But I agree with you that I could stand to loose a few pounds... most of us could. Now, tell me... am I suppose to be offended by your comment or what? I'd hate to think you lost all your glib on that one shot! Take a good look at my photo... you could also comment on my dress, my lack of hair, perhaps my beard too. I'll save my being devastated for another day though, if it's okay with you. I'm enjoying life too much right now to slow down and be hurt. Take care now... and have a nice day!
Well said Theophilus, a truly measured response to unkindness. You have my respect.

Since: Jan 10

AOL

#102 Aug 31, 2010
noahsday wrote:
<quoted text>don't let this troll bother you, she/it is probably another weak and sick JW taking out their unhappiness on others.
Thanks for your encouragement noahsday... He/she/it really cannot offend me with their comments... with all the storms of life I've weathered in my time, they don't really add up to poot in a windstorm to me. Those are actually the types I like to "play" with when I get bored.... I know I shouldn't but sometimes it's hard to resist. LOL! Take care of yourself... and thanks for your support. Theo!

Since: Jan 10

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#103 Aug 31, 2010
Mary MacLellan wrote:
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Well said Theophilus, a truly measured response to unkindness. You have my respect.
Thank you Mary for you comment... I really do appreciate it. I must admit sometimes it's hard to bite ones tongue, to say the least. But I'm working hard on it! My goodness... at this stage of the game... my physical appearance is not hardly on my radar scope. If that was all I had to worry about... I'd be well ahead of the game! But again, thank you. God bless and take care. Theo.(P.S. I've enjoyed reading your posts...)

Since: Jul 10

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#104 Aug 31, 2010
Nomi wrote:
My father had one too. I mentioned that before. He must have gotten it before I was even born. I don't recall him without it. If they got them before becoming a JW...then it means nothing.
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Nomi you have a muslim cat??

Since: Feb 08

Mesa, AZ

#105 Aug 31, 2010
Richardnak wrote:
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Hi lise,
I'm sorry that you saw this happen, if it indeed did happen.
Anyone that would make such a request of another person to have to sand off their tattoo, is admittedly very unbalanced.
There is nothing in print from the brothers that has ever made such a demand, as to sand off tattoos. This was just a personal opinion, and it should have been challanged, by simply calling the branch headquarters, along with an accompanying letter of explaination.
Some persons have chosen to have tattoos removed, but even that isn't necessary. There are elders in my own congregation that have tattoos, and no one has ever requested that they be removed.
good for your elders and yes this did happen it was a requirement of baptisum I called them this morning wanted to make sure I got it right.
Asked my sibling they said they were asked to remove them so that they could get baptised they did not want my sibling stumbling others at the baptisum with the tatoos of a cross showing because it was a symbol of something they were no longer part of and that it would stumble others if it was shown..

You have to remember this was in the 70s maybe it was differnt back then and that was just before 1975 when everyone was talking about the end in a very big way.

Since: Jul 10

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#106 Aug 31, 2010
lise2468 wrote:
<quoted text>good for your elders and yes this did happen it was a requirement of baptisum I called them this morning wanted to make sure I got it right.
Asked my sibling they said they were asked to remove them so that they could get baptised they did not want my sibling stumbling others at the baptisum with the tatoos of a cross showing because it was a symbol of something they were no longer part of and that it would stumble others if it was shown..
You have to remember this was in the 70s maybe it was differnt back then and that was just before 1975 when everyone was talking about the end in a very big way.
The could have saved a whole lot of pain.. by baptizing them some place other then an assembly.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#107 Aug 31, 2010
I have two cats...but Muslim? Nope, just spoiled.
Maravilla wrote:
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Nomi you have a muslim cat??

Since: Mar 09

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#108 Aug 31, 2010
Maravilla wrote:
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The could have saved a whole lot of pain.. by baptizing them some place other then an assembly.
Hi Maravilla,

I agree completely.

Since: Jul 10

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#109 Aug 31, 2010
Richardnak wrote:
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Hi Maravilla,
I agree completely.
That is completely complying to men.. They did not have the compassion to realize what they were telling them to do.. was showing a lack of love.. It's our way or the high way.. And heavens forbid ..if for some reason.. some one doesn't come up to the expectations of the Hiarchy. You'd think even a blind person could have see that.. SAD.. yet.. I expect that if a man.. with a disfigurement on his face ..chose to wear a beard.. They'd not have any so called privilages extended to them.. Also a lack of compassion..

Since: Mar 09

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#110 Aug 31, 2010
Maravilla wrote:
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That is completely complying to men.. They did not have the compassion to realize what they were telling them to do.. was showing a lack of love.. It's our way or the high way.. And heavens forbid ..if for some reason.. some one doesn't come up to the expectations of the Hiarchy. You'd think even a blind person could have see that.. SAD.. yet.. I expect that if a man.. with a disfigurement on his face ..chose to wear a beard.. They'd not have any so called privilages extended to them.. Also a lack of compassion..
Hi Maravilla,

As I stated earlier, what was requested was just a personal opinion of some individual/s, and should have been challanged.

I know that if a brother has a medical problem with being clean shaven, they can still qualify as an elder. I'm also sure that if a brother had a disfigured facial problem, he could be used as an elder.

The only other requirement would be that the beard be kept neat and trimmed, for the best appearance of the brother. I know of such brothers that are serving as elders.

Since: Aug 10

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#111 Aug 31, 2010
you would have to remove your piercings but the tats are ok as long as they are old. If you got the tats when you were "worldly" they wouldn't hold it against you now that you have repented and decided to get baptized. I'm sure they would appreciate it if you kept the covered to the best of your ability. You can't get tats or piercing once u are baptized. You can't even do henna drawing on your hands. There are so many rule...oi

Since: Jun 10

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#112 Aug 31, 2010
chino1000 wrote:
you would have to remove your piercings but the tats are ok as long as they are old. If you got the tats when you were "worldly" they wouldn't hold it against you now that you have repented and decided to get baptized. I'm sure they would appreciate it if you kept the covered to the best of your ability. You can't get tats or piercing once u are baptized. You can't even do henna drawing on your hands. There are so many rule...oi
Hi there chino1000

The pharisees seems to be pure amayeurs in comparison with the Watchtower Society, Gamaliel Body doctrines of men....

By the way, where in the Greek Scriptures does it comes forth that a Christian can't pierce and get a tattoo...and what about henna which was used by the Jews...wasn't it to mark the body in some form...?

Since: Aug 10

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#113 Aug 31, 2010
Veritas 69,

It is nowhere in the scriptures that christians can't get piercings or tatoos. This is pure JW doctrine. Just like their prohibition against beards and sideburns. Ridiculous. When I was a JW and a pioneer I went with a sister on a trip to South America. We were staying with JWs at the time. One of them was an elder. We had gone to a street fair of sorts and wanted to get henna (not permanent) on our hands. He told us if we did it would not be considered a "good witness" and we could get removed as pioneers. LOL

Since: Aug 07

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#114 Aug 31, 2010
chino1000 wrote:
you would have to remove your piercings but the tats are ok as long as they are old. If you got the tats when you were "worldly" they wouldn't hold it against you now that you have repented and decided to get baptized. I'm sure they would appreciate it if you kept the covered to the best of your ability. You can't get tats or piercing once u are baptized. You can't even do henna drawing on your hands. There are so many rule...oi
true. strangly though an elders son used to change his hair color all the time, once he had bright crimson hair and all spiked up and nothing was said, and he was allowed out out in field service.

Since: Aug 10

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#115 Aug 31, 2010
Something I observed when I was a JW was that some congregations were stricter than others. I knew of congregations who had their elder bodies replaced for being "soft". So, it doesn't surprise me at all that an Elder's child would have special treatment.

Since: Mar 09

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#116 Aug 31, 2010
Veritas 69 wrote:
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Hi there chino1000
The pharisees seems to be pure amayeurs in comparison with the Watchtower Society, Gamaliel Body doctrines of men....
By the way, where in the Greek Scriptures does it comes forth that a Christian can't pierce and get a tattoo...and what about henna which was used by the Jews...wasn't it to mark the body in some form...?
Hi Veritas,
The Law of Israel was this;

Leviticus 19:28 (New International Version)
28 " 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

Now we are not under that Law, but we are still under the principle of that Law. Today, we observe those principles, and make choices in line with those principles.

2 Corinthians 7:1 (New International Version)
1Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Do you believe that putting ink and the needles used to inject that ink is in harmony with, "purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body"?

Does piercing your body parts with body piercing ornaments and jewelry not open yourself to contamination of the world's fads and ways? Does it harmonize with, "purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God."?

Since: Mar 09

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#117 Aug 31, 2010
chino1000 wrote:
Veritas 69,
It is nowhere in the scriptures that christians can't get piercings or tatoos. This is pure JW doctrine. Just like their prohibition against beards and sideburns. Ridiculous. When I was a JW and a pioneer I went with a sister on a trip to South America. We were staying with JWs at the time. One of them was an elder. We had gone to a street fair of sorts and wanted to get henna (not permanent) on our hands. He told us if we did it would not be considered a "good witness" and we could get removed as pioneers. LOL
Hi chino,

It's not JW doctrine, it is Bible principles that we can all observe in the Scriptures.

Again, you were talking about one person's personal opinions. I've never heard of "henna" markings. Does it wash off? If it isn't harmful and permanent, not really a problem in that of itself. But does such a practice have any spiritual overtones, such as spiritism or dealing with the demons? I can't really say, as I have never heard of such a practice.

Since: Aug 07

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#118 Aug 31, 2010
henna as I know it is a natural dye from a plant people use to dye their hair with, it is not harmful and has nothing to do with spiritism, but then some ignorant elder would probably think different.

Since: Mar 09

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#119 Aug 31, 2010
noahsday wrote:
henna as I know it is a natural dye from a plant people use to dye their hair with, it is not harmful and has nothing to do with spiritism, but then some ignorant elder would probably think different.
Hi noahsday,

Just for fun I "Googled" henna, and first thing I found was this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henna

Health effects

Woman whose hair is dyed with hennaThough user accounts cite few, if any, negative effects of natural henna paste, pre-mixed henna body art pastes may have ingredients added to darken stain, or to alter stain color. The health risks involved in pre-mixed paste can be significant. The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considers these to be adulterants and therefore illegal for use on skin.[17] Some pastes have been found to include: silver nitrate, carmine, pyrogallol, disperse orange dye, and chromium.[18] These have been found to cause allergic reactions, chronic inflammatory reactions, or late-onset allergic reactions to hairdressing products and textile dyes.[19][20]

Regulation
The FDA has not approved henna for direct application to the skin. It is unconditionally approved as a hair dye, and can only be imported for that purpose.[17][21] Henna imported into the USA which appears to be for use as body art is subject to seizure,[citation needed] though prosecution is rare.

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Anyone thinking of getting henna tatoos, should read all of the information regarding alergic reactions, other substances added, etc. There were many more dangers to health that were listed there.

This was just the very first place on the list. It seems that there is also a lot of "Spiritism" and "occult" art that is associated with this practice. So the "ignorant" elders were correct in their evaluation of not getting involved in this kind of practice.

Since: Aug 07

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#120 Aug 31, 2010
interesting thanks for that, we have ones that use henna to dye hair, but I know they get the dye from a health food shop.

but this is very interesting will pass on to a few I know. thanks again.

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