Since: Feb 07

RI

#143 Apr 4, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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So he sees crosses being paraded on poles (very common in the Catholic church) and you missed it. So what?
Your visit to church was probably your first ever. You recently stated that you had never gotten up your nerve to go to church since you left the truth. So you are no expert on what goes on in churches, just the one you happened to go to for Easter Bunny Day.
LOL He has now admitted that he has gone "occasionally" to ONE church that his wife attends (backing down from his previous claims of seeing the "cross on pole parade" at EVERY church he has visited and then at MOST churches he has visited, which is actually ONE church.)

I never said it didn't happen anywhere, did I? Nope. But since man_711 was calling everyone a liar when they said they had never seen this, I was curious.

I had never seen it happen in Episcopalian, Baptist, Methodist or Greek Orthodox churches that I attended for weddings or funerals.

As I stated, I figured that if this occurred in any church on a regular basis, it would be a Catholic church, so I was looking for that to occur. It didn't.

Obviously, man_711 is no "expert" either since he has now admitted that his "expertise" involves ONE church that his wife attends and that he has occasionally gone to to please her.

Maybe it does occur in that ONE church (but since he has lied so much about it, I'm not really sure if we can believe him) but it certainly doesn't seem to be a widespread practice.

How many Catholic churches have YOU attended on a regular basis so that you can truthfully (is this a word you even know?) state that it is "very common" in Catholic churches?

Please, let us know how long you attended these Catholic churches and how many you attended where the cross was paraded on poles.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#144 Apr 4, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Most places advertize when they are going to do a reinactment..or what ever they call it.. fact is..lmost places..don't do it.
Did you notice that EE speaks as if she is an expert on what is "very common" in Catholic churches?

Do you suppose she has ever set foot in even ONE Catholic church so that she can speak with such authority on the matter?

Since: Feb 07

RI

#145 Apr 4, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly a sad delusional bitter woman. So sorry your husband left you and you were booted out of the JW org. Get a life!
Is your life just one lie after another? Do you do this to feel special...or feel like a "real man"?

Sad.

Since: Jul 10

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#146 Apr 4, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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Did you notice that EE speaks as if she is an expert on what is "very common" in Catholic churches?
Do you suppose she has ever set foot in even ONE Catholic church so that she can speak with such authority on the matter?
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.Some how I think it's doubtful.. reflect that if I ..came into your home.. I would undoubtedly find it much different then my own.. We live in different environments thus the influences are different.. Churches are no different.. meaning.. they aren't cooky cutter replicas of each other. Not only in decor but in their teachings.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#147 Apr 4, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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Did you notice that EE speaks as if she is an expert on what is "very common" in Catholic churches?
Do you suppose she has ever set foot in even ONE Catholic church so that she can speak with such authority on the matter?
Yes, very common indeed and so easy to prove. You are just magnifying your lack of knowledge with your repeated challenges.

http://www.youtube.com/results...

http://www.youtube.com/results...

http://www.google.com/search...

http://www.google.com/search...

Since: Jul 10

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#148 Apr 4, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yes, very common indeed and so easy to prove. You are just magnifying your lack of knowledge with your repeated challenges.
http://www.youtube.com/results...
http://www.youtube.com/results...
http://www.google.com/search...
http://www.google.com/search...
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. The question is..why does this bother you so much.. That a church .. decided to make they sacrifice of jesus..more vivid ..in the mind of the viewed.. Yes.. it happened one time.. And NO.. not everyone was there .. have you never watched the Movie..The Bible.. Or the King of Kings??

Since: Feb 07

RI

#149 Apr 4, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yes, very common indeed and so easy to prove. You are just magnifying your lack of knowledge with your repeated challenges.
http://www.youtube.com/results...
http://www.youtube.com/results...
http://www.google.com/search...
http://www.google.com/search...
All of your links do not disprove the FACT that I have never seen this practice, and, since YOU have never set foot in a Catholic church, you can't rightfully declare that you know this is done.

I've never said that it didn't occur. I SAID that I have never seen it. What is so difficult for you to understand about this?

Let me repeat...I have never seen the practices that are declared to be so "very common" in any church I have ever attended. Simple enough. It might happen, but I have never seen it.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#150 Apr 4, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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All of your links do not disprove the FACT that I have never seen this practice, and, since YOU have never set foot in a Catholic church, you can't rightfully declare that you know this is done.
I've never said that it didn't occur. I SAID that I have never seen it. What is so difficult for you to understand about this?
Let me repeat...I have never seen the practices that are declared to be so "very common" in any church I have ever attended. Simple enough. It might happen, but I have never seen it.
So what? What you have seen is very limited and is irrelevant.
Lol

Fresno, CA

#151 Apr 4, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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So what? What you have seen is very limited and is irrelevant.
So what?

You are a hater of truth and take pleasure in lying about people. Who would believe a word that comes out of your mouth?

Since: Nov 09

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#152 Apr 4, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Really? That's your logic? There was a wall there . So I worshiped the wall. LOL!!!
God's clearly states images are idols. Gods words not mine.
He says, not to worship anyone but God. Thats the whole point man. Some do worship crosses or other idols, but those who are true Christians do not. Why cant you understand that? Why is it so important for you to believe that true Christians worship the cross or whatever? We are going to find wrong in ALL religions, there is not one that is pure. We are also going to find wrong in all people, there is not one perfect one alive today. We as Christians will do what we hope is the best we can, but there are those who believe that worshiping the cross is okay, they, according to the bible are wrong. We are not to worship anything but God! Bowing down before a cross does not mean that person is worshiping that cross, you DO NOT know what is in their heart.
man_711

Bothell, WA

#153 Apr 4, 2013
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Let me first say, I do NOT even own a cross. But I do not believe it was meant for worship. It is a reminder of what Jesus has done for us. Early on in christian persecution, brothers and sisters in Christ would greet each other secretly by tracing the sign of the cross on their foreheads, kinda like a secret handshake that noone else would understand.
But your question was interesting....so.
Numbers 21:4-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Bronze Serpent
4 Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses:“Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” 6 So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.
7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said,“We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.
8 Then the Lord said to Moses,“Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.
Where is it that the God's says make crosses and post them and wear them? What scripture? If you can't find one, which you won't , just use anything!
man_711

Bothell, WA

#154 Apr 4, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Your comment is in condeming what you assume others are doing.. First off..we were told not to judge.. AND do you not feel closer to God..when you see the sign of his promise..never to flood the earth again?? Hmm?? That is the visible sign ( To remind himself) but it was given to us..
I am asking for a scripture! I am not the one wearing a cross or posting everywhere as "aid" in worship which GOD himself condemns!!! God condemns the behavior. I just point it out!

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#155 Apr 4, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Please show me 1 scripture where God says use any representation to help you get closer to him. Just one!!!!!
Show me one scripture that says that Jesus was ever Michael. Show me one scripture that says you are to be a JW to be saved. Show me one scripture that says you are to give the control of your life over to men who call themselves the Governing Body or the Faithful and Discreet Slave? See, that can go two ways.

What is the Ark of the Covenant, how was it used?

According to records, the Ark of the Covenant was a very impressive structure, covered in gold and topped with elaborate cherubim flanking the mercy seat, which was sprinkled with the blood of a sacrificial bull once a year, on Yom Kippur. It was also steeped in ritual. It was kept in the Holy of Holies, an area of the Temple that only the High Priest was allowed to enter, and only on Yom Kippur. The Ark had gold rings on each side through which a rod was passed when it had to be transported.
The ancient Hebrews carried the vessel with them into battle and consulted it, much like an oracle. The Bible describes the Ark as immensely powerful, able for example to clear obstacles in the path of the traveling Hebrews, burning thorns away from the road and drying up rivers. The Book of Samuel describes a period of seven months during which the Philistines, who had defeated the Israelites in battle, were in possession of the Ark of the Covenant. During this time, the Philistines suffered plagues including boils and mice, which ceased when they returned the Ark.

Kinda sounds like it was worshiped doesn't it? Of course we know it wasn't, but it was highly revered by Christians, just as the Cross is now for what it represents.
man_711

Bothell, WA

#156 Apr 4, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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He says, not to worship anyone but God. Thats the whole point man. Some do worship crosses or other idols, but those who are true Christians do not. Why cant you understand that? Why is it so important for you to believe that true Christians worship the cross or whatever? We are going to find wrong in ALL religions, there is not one that is pure. We are also going to find wrong in all people, there is not one perfect one alive today. We as Christians will do what we hope is the best we can, but there are those who believe that worshiping the cross is okay, they, according to the bible are wrong. We are not to worship anything but God! Bowing down before a cross does not mean that person is worshiping that cross, you DO NOT know what is in their heart.
"Why cant you understand that?"
Real simple because so many alleged Christian give "the cross" undo attention, reverence and use it as an aid in worship!
man_711

Bothell, WA

#157 Apr 4, 2013
Lol wrote:
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So what?
You are a hater of truth and take pleasure in lying about people. Who would believe a word that comes out of your mouth?
I think you are confused with RHW!
man711

Bothell, WA

#158 Apr 4, 2013
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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All of your links do not disprove the FACT that I have never seen this practice, and, since YOU have never set foot in a Catholic church, you can't rightfully declare that you know this is done.
I've never said that it didn't occur. I SAID that I have never seen it. What is so difficult for you to understand about this?
Let me repeat...I have never seen the practices that are declared to be so "very common" in any church I have ever attended. Simple enough. It might happen, but I have never seen it.
You're Catholic? I have seen it in the Catholic Church! Exactly what I described!!!
man711

Bothell, WA

#159 Apr 4, 2013
RHW remember liars will not inherit God's kingdom, but my guess is you don't care.
Lol

Fresno, CA

#160 Apr 4, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>I think you are confused with RHW!
Not at all.

EE is a liar, and I fully expect you to back her up no matter what she says because even though you claim to not b a JW, you defend them vociferously.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#161 Apr 4, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>"Why cant you understand that?"
Real simple because so many alleged Christian give "the cross" undo attention, reverence and use it as an aid in worship!
What about the Ark of the covenant, it was to used as an aid in worship. Were they all wrong to? Using an aid is not worship. Some people have to use a hearing AID to hear, are they worshiping that louder hearing?

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#162 Apr 4, 2013
man711 wrote:
<quoted text>You're Catholic? I have seen it in the Catholic Church! Exactly what I described!!!
BUT YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN ALL CATHOLIC CHURCHES!You cannot say they all do it! I have never seen a funeral in the KHs I attended, I never said they didn't do it in some, but I NEVER seen it done in those I ATTENDED. So am I to assume that no KH ever have funerals in them? I have never seen an Elder clean a bathroom, or heard the accounts of the WTBTS read in the KH, but does that mean it don't happen in some? Well I don't believe the WTBTS accounts are read in them, but the congregational accounts are, I have heard those read. ;) Cant you see that you are calling RHW a liar for something she says didn't happen in the Catholic Church she attended, when in truth you have no idea if it did or not? That makes you the liar here. You cant say it happened, if you were not there to see it happen! She never said it don't happen, only that it didnt happen in the one she attended.

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