Does it matter if its True?
Billy Bonehead

London, UK

#1 Mar 27, 2014
Watching a u tube video. about the Mormon religion. a large percentage of Mormons know it is based on a pack of lies written by Joe Smith, but does not stop them going to the church and meetings.
Many JW know Rutherford was a self serving duplicitous man, but still go to the meetings and do door preaching.
So even if you know its all based on a lie. It seems to be the whole Jw or Mormon lifestyle that keeps people involved.
When they refer to JW as the Truth. maybe this is just some kind of in Joke. as it is anything but.
If I worship a pile of stones and call it god and do all kinds of rituals and form a group of converts and believers.
And then tell them I made it all up. Seems most would carry on with the stone worship, out of habit or Habituation.
People can be indoctrinated into anything. if its a lie so what?
This maybe why its so hard to get people away from cults. It gives them a purpose missing in their lives.

So should we be celebrating the WTower for giving the Witnesses something to do ,and a structure in their lives?.
Like the guy who was released from prison. and used the money he had to buy a pile of mail bags to sew.

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tao itness

United States

#2 Mar 27, 2014
Its definately what keeps alot in,with varying degrees of fear,hope and a self righteousness feeling that only you and your group are only special to God.
Who cares if the leaders completely contradict the words of our Lord Christ Jesus?
Who cares if they have killed thousands due to their ever changing, man made doctrines?
WE use the name Jehovah! Never mind that Jesus has given us the privilege of being God's Spirit adopted children! Who cares that Jesus never addressed God as Jehovah, we know better!?
WE die for refusing blood! Even though jesus said I want Marcy not sacrifice!
Who cares if the Bible says he is a God, we listen to our God the watchtower! And Jesus approves it,cuz WE said so!
Remnant 143999

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Mar 28, 2014
The most holy beloved idol/wtbts is just a corporation that's in it for themselves,that's all. Nothing more nothing less.

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#5 Mar 28, 2014
Does it matter if it's true or not? The individual decides. I used to naively believe that everyone involved in a religion did so because they believed it was the truth.
Look at society in general. People know politicians lie and still rally around them. Men and women get suckered into relationships with scam artists, and later admit they knew something was wrong.
An individual has an agenda. We have wants and needs.
I see a few types (lol) attracted to the JW religion. Anyone really wanting the truth will eventually see the JW's deception.

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#6 Mar 28, 2014
This aspect of truth is why I have a difficult time showing restraint when dealing with JW issues. The JW organization has a long history of I repentance and deflecting blame. Many sincere people have been stumbled by the actions and wrong teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would be thrilled to hear that the JW org has taken responsibility for those affected by their ever-changing doctrine. But what JW leadership do is blame it all on the flock. It was the persons fault if they thought 1975 would be the end of this system of things, etc. In this I'm reminded of Adam and Eve. Blame everyone but yourself. And when you shift everything to old light vs. new light, you're really blaming Jehovah.

Since: Aug 09

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#7 Mar 28, 2014
Iamac wrote:
This aspect of truth is why I have a difficult time showing restraint when dealing with JW issues. The JW organization has a long history of I repentance and deflecting blame. Many sincere people have been stumbled by the actions and wrong teachings of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would be thrilled to hear that the JW org has taken responsibility for those affected by their ever-changing doctrine. But what JW leadership do is blame it all on the flock. It was the persons fault if they thought 1975 would be the end of this system of things, etc. In this I'm reminded of Adam and Eve. Blame everyone but yourself. And when you shift everything to old light vs. new light, you're really blaming Jehovah.
If everyone just took responsibility for what they believe in, there would be no need to blame anyone or need an apology from anyone. If you lived during 1970's and chose to believe that 1975 was the end that was YOUR CHOICE!!!!!! Interesting enough my grandmother was a JW in 75, still is, and she didn't believe it was the end.

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#8 Mar 28, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>If everyone just took responsibility for what they believe in, there would be no need to blame anyone or need an apology from anyone. If you lived during 1970's and chose to believe that 1975 was the end that was YOUR CHOICE!!!!!! Interesting enough my grandmother was a JW in 75, still is, and she didn't believe it was the end.
So then why does James write that teachers of the word will be held to a greater accountability?
Why does Jesus say woe to the one that causes stumbling?

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#9 Mar 28, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>If everyone just took responsibility for what they believe in, there would be no need to blame anyone or need an apology from anyone. If you lived during 1970's and chose to believe that 1975 was the end that was YOUR CHOICE!!!!!! Interesting enough my grandmother was a JW in 75, still is, and she didn't believe it was the end.
Furthermore, if everyone took responsibility for what they believe then no one would have to preach and teach, would they?

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#10 Mar 28, 2014
Iamac wrote:
<quoted text>
Furthermore, if everyone took responsibility for what they believe then no one would have to preach and teach, would they?
Don't know how you came to that conclusion. We learn from each other, it's up to each one of us to decide what's right and wrong. So sure teach me something, but at the end of the day I have to check to see if it's true and if I decide it's true, the teaching should become my own! So if someone checked 1975 and they found it to be true, but it turned out to be wrong, you already claimed it as your teaching so own it! Don't look for an apology from someone, you chose to believe it!

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#11 Mar 28, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Don't know how you came to that conclusion. We learn from each other, it's up to each one of us to decide what's right and wrong. So sure teach me something, but at the end of the day I have to check to see if it's true and if I decide it's true, the teaching should become my own! So if someone checked 1975 and they found it to be true, but it turned out to be wrong, you already claimed it as your teaching so own it! Don't look for an apology from someone, you chose to believe it!
That is a very cold and calloused attitude, and is reminiscent of Cain telling God "Am I my brothers keeper?"

Yes, every individual will give an account to God. Teachers and those who cause stumbling will be held accountable for their actions.
How do you reconcile Jesus' words in Matthew 5, where he instructs us to leave our gift at the altar and go make things right with our brother who has an offense against us?
jace

Clinton, MD

#12 Mar 28, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>If everyone just took responsibility for what they believe in, there would be no need to blame anyone or need an apology from anyone. If you lived during 1970's and chose to believe that 1975 was the end that was YOUR CHOICE!!!!!! Interesting enough my grandmother was a JW in 75, still is, and she didn't believe it was the end.
Duhhhhhh

You missed the point

Lots of Catholics don't believe that taking birth control is wrong

But that has nothing to do with the foolishness of the Catholic Church putting that idea out into the public square

Lots of nonjw who heard the wt putting 1975 out into the public square
laughed at the foolishness
But the fact that billions of humans didn't believe that foolish idea has nothing to do with the fact that the entire 1975 foolishness came out of your leaders the gb



The society says they are responsible

The state of being responsible, accountable, or answerable, as for a trust, debt, or obligation.
That for which anyone is responsible or accountable; as, the responsibilities of power.
Ability to answer in payment; means of paying. http://www.brainyquote.com/words/re/responsib... (

1980 Yearbook,pp.30-31)

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975." N.
jace

Clinton, MD

#13 Mar 28, 2014
Duh-boy wrote:
<quoted text>

So if someone checked 1975

Don't look for an apology from someone, you chose to believe it!
You say. Don't look for an apology

Yet your GB finally fessed up to the fact that 1975 belongs to the GB

Would you please stop denying it when the wt says they OWN IT

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975."

The state of being responsible, accountable, or answerable, as for a trust, debt, or obligation.
That for which anyone is responsible or accountable; as, the responsibilities of power.
Ability to answer in payment; means of paying. http://www.brainyquote.com/words/re/responsib... (1980 Yearbook,pp.30-31) "The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975." N
jace

Clinton, MD

#14 Mar 28, 2014
Iamac wrote:
<quoted text>That is a very cold and calloused attitude, and is reminiscent of Cain telling God "Am I my brothers keeper?"

Yes, every individual will give an account to God. Teachers and those who cause stumbling will be held accountable for their actions.
How do you reconcile Jesus' words in Matthew 5, where he instructs us to leave our gift at the altar and go make things right with our brother who has an offense against us?
Yet the gb says they own it

So this foolishness about 1975 didn't come from the rank and file

It came from the GB

Year book says

"The brothers also appreciated the candor of this same talk, which acknowledged the Society's responsibility for some of the disappointment a number felt regarding 1975."
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#15 Mar 28, 2014
Yes it matters if it is true

Jesus says " If my sayings remain in you , you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."

truth is linked to freedom.
Billy Bonehead

London, UK

#16 Mar 30, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Yes it matters if it is true
Jesus says " If my sayings remain in you , you will know the truth and the truth will set you free."
truth is linked to freedom.
We live in a ritualistic world.any idea or goodness needs its opposite to be known I cannot say something is bad and of the devil without an opposite to compare, anything we describe needs its opposite to exist
so evil and good are both sides of the same coin We cannot have a good world or know what it means without the comparison of bad. So something is only good in relation to some other thing we call bad
Nothing can be in isolation without the possibility of its opposite
These words and concepts lead us into mistaking labels for the things themselves a description of something is not the thing itself.

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