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“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#1 Apr 7, 2011
I put up a "No Soliciting" sign the 1st of February. I was hoping to discourage Jehovah's Witnessess from the Watchtower Society. But yesterday they came up on my porch and left a pamphlet in the door. It was JESUS "TAKES AWAY the SIN of the WORLD. What does NO SOLICITING mean? They disrespected me by not honoring the sign. They invaded my privacy or space. It is wrong to do that to people. I am sure it is a technique they use to bring in. They have no right to do that if these signs are up.

so·lic·it (s-lst)
v. so·lic·it·ed, so·lic·it·ing, so·lic·its
v.tr.
1. To seek to obtain by persuasion, entreaty, or formal application: a candidate who solicited votes among the factory workers.
2. To petition persistently; importune: solicited the neighbors for donations.
3. To entice or incite to evil or illegal action.
4. To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services.
v.intr.
1. To make solicitation or petition for something desired.
2. To approach or accost someone with an offer of sexual services in return for payment.

shel54401

“Why do Jw's LIE?”

Since: Oct 09

Me And The Love of My Life,Jay

#2 Apr 7, 2011
That is a very good idea..
JWitness forum

Paris, France

#3 Apr 7, 2011
Lordylordy9111 wrote:
I put up a "No Soliciting" sign the 1st of February. I was hoping to discourage Jehovah's Witnessess from the Watchtower Society. But yesterday they came up on my porch and left a pamphlet in the door. It was JESUS "TAKES AWAY the SIN of the WORLD. What does NO SOLICITING mean? They disrespected me by not honoring the sign. They invaded my privacy or space. It is wrong to do that to people. I am sure it is a technique they use to bring in. They have no right to do that if these signs are up.
so·lic·it (s-lst)
v. so·lic·it·ed, so·lic·it·ing, so·lic·its
v.tr.
1. To seek to obtain by persuasion, entreaty, or formal application: a candidate who solicited votes among the factory workers.
2. To petition persistently; importune: solicited the neighbors for donations.
3. To entice or incite to evil or illegal action.
4. To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services.
v.intr.
1. To make solicitation or petition for something desired.
2. To approach or accost someone with an offer of sexual services in return for payment.
Jehovah's Witnesses preaching work is not legally classified as soliciting but should you want to test this out in the courts of your land read up before you attempt to have them arrested.

Here are some useful link, educate yourself before you set yourself up for humiliation. No one wants a police officer laughing at them.

Thank Jehovah's Witnesses for speech freedoms
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/jw_freedom....

Donahue (first amendment comments) video
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Fundamental Freedoms & Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.garybotting.com/media/online-books...
Reference article - academic - on freedom of expression
http://www.hrea.org/index.php...

KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
KingDum Hall

Madisonville, KY

#4 Apr 7, 2011
Yeah me too. The lady said...Hi I am not soliciting.....I said "yes you are, goodbye" You know they travel a good distance from their own homes to 'log" hours....so you cant follow them back to their house. Turds.
KingDum Hall

Madisonville, KY

#5 Apr 7, 2011
JWitness forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses preaching work is not legally classified as soliciting but should you want to test this out in the courts of your land read up before you attempt to have them arrested.
Here are some useful link, educate yourself before you set yourself up for humiliation. No one wants a police officer laughing at them.
Thank Jehovah's Witnesses for speech freedoms
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/jw_freedom....
Donahue (first amendment comments) video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =K0cD4CgpIgEXX&feature=ema il
Fundamental Freedoms & Jehovah's Witnesses
http://www.garybotting.com/media/online-books...
Reference article - academic - on freedom of expression
http://www.hrea.org/index.php...
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
Think I will start going out to preach my atheism. Anyone want to go in on getting some handouts printed?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#6 Apr 7, 2011
JWitness forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Donahue (first amendment comments) video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =K0cD4CgpIgEXX&feature=ema il
That is an AWESOME video!

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#7 Apr 7, 2011
JWitness forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses preaching work is not legally classified as soliciting but should you want to test this out in the courts of your land read up before you attempt to have them arrested.
Here are some useful link, educate yourself before you set yourself up for humiliation. No one wants a police officer laughing at them.
Thank Jehovah's Witnesses for speech freedoms
http://www.adherents.com/largecom/jw_freedom....
Donahue (first amendment comments) video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =K0cD4CgpIgEXX&feature=ema il
Fundamental Freedoms & Jehovah's Witnesses
http://www.garybotting.com/media/online-books...
Reference article - academic - on freedom of expression
http://www.hrea.org/index.php...
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
Many races and religions have contributed to civil rights. Both African Americans and Asians had their part. In the case of Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356 (1886) on equal protecton clause. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (Jehovah's Witness) upheld the freedom of speach and the right to stay in school dispite not soluting the flag. Yes everyone has contributed to civil rights.

My argument is, I have a right to deny access my private property by having a no soliciting sign. They clearly believe otherwise. It was a violation of my rights to refuse Jehovah's Witnesses access to my property. They were there ( 1) seeking to obtain - by persuasion (religous idiologies), entreaty (request), or formal application (attributes information and linkage to information). They are invasive of my personal space. I should not have to make a sene by putting up a huge NO TRESPASSING SIGNS on my property. That would make me feel like a neighborhood tyrant. I was trying to be discreet about it. They are not going to respect my wishes and invade my private space. They really are pushy.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#8 Apr 7, 2011
KingDum Hall wrote:
Yeah me too. The lady said...Hi I am not soliciting.....I said "yes you are, goodbye" You know they travel a good distance from their own homes to 'log" hours....so you cant follow them back to their house. Turds.
You are so right!

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#9 Apr 7, 2011
KingDum Hall wrote:
<quoted text>
Think I will start going out to preach my atheism. Anyone want to go in on getting some handouts printed?


Don't forget to log your hours! lol
JWitness forum

Paris, France

#10 Apr 7, 2011
Lordylordy9111 wrote:
I put up a "No Soliciting" sign the 1st of February.
Do NO SOLICITING signs apply to Jehovah's Witnesses?

No. While most people that put up these signs are using them to express the secular defintion, it is the LEGAL not the secular (colloquial) defintion of the term "to solicit" that the police and other law enforcement agencies are concerned with. Legally 'to solicit' does not mean to try and convince, it refers to a commercial transaction.

Here is the definition from Wikipedia:

“In the United States solicitation is a crime; it is an inchoate offense that consists of a person offering money or something else of value in order to incite or induce another to commit a crime with the specific intent that the person solicited commit the crime. The term ‘solicitation’ always implies some sort of commercial element (payment). Local ordinances that forbid solicitation may prevent door-to-door sales, but they cannot exclude Jehovah’s Witnesses, political candidates or others who advocate a position, but do not offer or request money.”

Further, the Supreme Court of the United States, as recently as 2002 stated

"it is offensive, not only to the values protected by the First Amendment, but to the very notion of a free society, that in the context of everyday public discourse a citizen must first inform the government of her desire to speak to her neighbors and then obtain a permit to do so." -- The Watchtower Society v. Village of Stratton, Case 536 U.S. 150,

Thus since Jehovah's Witnesses then are not SOLICITING or engaging in any commercial activity and here exist no law to prohibit the seeking of audience to communicate with ones neighbours, a "No Soliciting" sign has no legal power to stop them knocking on the door of a householder.

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The Constitution protects the right of missionaries, politicians and others to knock on doors without first getting permission from local authorities; the First Amendment which guarantees the right to free speech includes the entitlement to take a message directly to someone's door,

Justice Anthony Kennedy called the ordinance “astounding,”

Justice Antonin Scalia suggested it was the broadest anti-speech ordinance to come before the court in two centuries

Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said it could be used against Halloween trick-or-treaters or anyone who visits a neighbor to “borrow a cup of sugar.”

Further reading....
http://epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html
http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/re...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_Socie...
http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendm...

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#11 Apr 7, 2011
Lordylordy9111 wrote:
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My argument is, I have a right to deny access my private property by having a no soliciting sign. They clearly believe otherwise. It was a violation of my rights to refuse Jehovah's Witnesses access to my property. They were there ( 1) seeking to obtain - by persuasion (religous idiologies), entreaty (request), or formal application (attributes information and linkage to information). They are invasive of my personal space. I should not have to make a sene by putting up a huge NO TRESPASSING SIGNS on my property. That would make me feel like a neighborhood tyrant. I was trying to be discreet about it. They are not going to respect my wishes and invade my private space. They really are pushy.
They are not "soliciting" as per the legal definition of the term.

Using bigoted restraints have been tried before. For example, whites banning blacks from setting foot on their property regardless if they are uniformed government workers (ie. postal workers) or ordinary citizenry (ie. Avon cosmetic sales ladies, Girl Scout cookie sellers, charitable organizations, etc.) All have failed. No court supported bigoted restraints due to a number of legal precedents and challenges.

Much simpler to state to the local congregation of JWs which handles the block you live in to not call on your address. Make sure they got your house number and street accurately. After giving it ask them to repeat it just to make sure both sides got it right.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#12 Apr 7, 2011
Maybe it's time to fight fire with fire....put up a visible sign on your door that says "NO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PLEASE" and that leaves no room for slick arguments when they knock on your door.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#13 Apr 7, 2011
Sure. Might be cute for a while.

But when you show your neighbors your open intolerance and bigotry in one area, you leave to their imagination in what other areas you are intolerant and bigoted too.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#14 Apr 8, 2011
JWitness forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Do NO SOLICITING signs apply to Jehovah's Witnesses?
No. While most people that put up these signs are using them to express the secular defintion, it is the LEGAL not the secular (colloquial) defintion of the term "to solicit" that the police and other law enforcement agencies are concerned with. Legally 'to solicit' does not mean to try and convince, it refers to a commercial transaction.
Here is the definition from Wikipedia:
“In the United States solicitation is a crime; it is an inchoate offense that consists of a person offering money or something else of value in order to incite or induce another to commit a crime with the specific intent that the person solicited commit the crime. The term ‘solicitation’ always implies some sort of commercial element (payment). Local ordinances that forbid solicitation may prevent door-to-door sales, but they cannot exclude Jehovah’s Witnesses, political candidates or others who advocate a position, but do not offer or request money.”
Further, the Supreme Court of the United States, as recently as 2002 stated
"it is offensive, not only to the values protected by the First Amendment, but to the very notion of a free society, that in the context of everyday public discourse a citizen must first inform the government of her desire to speak to her neighbors and then obtain a permit to do so." -- The Watchtower Society v. Village of Stratton, Case 536 U.S. 150,
Thus since Jehovah's Witnesses then are not SOLICITING or engaging in any commercial activity and here exist no law to prohibit the seeking of audience to communicate with ones neighbours, a "No Soliciting" sign has no legal power to stop them knocking on the door of a householder.
==========
The Constitution protects the right of missionaries, politicians and others to knock on doors without first getting permission from local authorities; the First Amendment which guarantees the right to free speech includes the entitlement to take a message directly to someone's door,
Justice Anthony Kennedy called the ordinance “astounding,”
Justice Antonin Scalia suggested it was the broadest anti-speech ordinance to come before the court in two centuries
Justice Sandra Day O’Connor said it could be used against Halloween trick-or-treaters or anyone who visits a neighbor to “borrow a cup of sugar.”
Further reading....
http://epic.org/free_speech/watchtower.html
http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/re...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchtower_Socie...
http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendm...
The clergy and their religious organizations have too many rights. Too much freedom, with no boundries, leads to abuse of power. The legality protecting religious organizations to solicit their religious idiologies at your door, protected by the first Amendment, IS ABUSE. The Jehovah's Witnesses who called on my door are from the group that sexually abused me amoung two other congregations. The elders who sexually abused me are still elders in this congregation. The people coming to my door ARE my abusers. How then am I protected? Jehovah's Witnesses allow register sex offenders to go door-to-door, such as Michael Porter in UK, to mention just one of many. How are our rights and well being protected when our abusers are coming to our homes soliciting religious pamphlets? The 1st Amendment is protecting religious pedophiles to come right to our doors. This is a violation of our rights.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#15 Apr 8, 2011
Boni wrote:
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They are not "soliciting" as per the legal definition of the term.
Using bigoted restraints have been tried before. For example, whites banning blacks from setting foot on their property regardless if they are uniformed government workers (ie. postal workers) or ordinary citizenry (ie. Avon cosmetic sales ladies, Girl Scout cookie sellers, charitable organizations, etc.) All have failed. No court supported bigoted restraints due to a number of legal precedents and challenges.
Much simpler to state to the local congregation of JWs which handles the block you live in to not call on your address. Make sure they got your house number and street accurately. After giving it ask them to repeat it just to make sure both sides got it right.
This has nothing to do with bigotry. These Jehovah's Witnesses are my molesters. I don't want them at my door. The 1st Amendment gives my molesters to come to my door protecting religious ideology solicitation. Register sex offender Michael Porter was also protected by the Kingdom Hall members and went door-to-door soliciting religious ideology literature. This is a violation of peoples mental and physical health and well being. They should not get a free pass to trespass onto your property just because they are clergy or a religious organization. The 1st Amendment should be protecting people in their homes from pedophiles but it is protecting them instead.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#16 Apr 8, 2011
Nedoba wrote:
Maybe it's time to fight fire with fire....put up a visible sign on your door that says "NO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PLEASE" and that leaves no room for slick arguments when they knock on your door.
Yes great idea. Totally agree.
Pat

Stillman Valley, IL

#17 Apr 8, 2011
Nedoba wrote:
Maybe it's time to fight fire with fire....put up a visible sign on your door that says "NO JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES PLEASE" and that leaves no room for slick arguments when they knock on your door.
When our church goes out and we see no soliciting or no trespassing even though we would love to share with them we respect the fact that they have decided they wants nobody coming on that property and understand our violating their wishes will not be seen as a good thing so we don't stop . Angry people are not open to our message we have violated their right to privacy on their property which they see as bold and gutsy and disrespectful .

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#18 Apr 8, 2011
Lordylordy9111 wrote:
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This has nothing to do with bigotry. These Jehovah's Witnesses are my molesters. I don't want them at my door. The 1st Amendment gives my molesters to come to my door protecting religious ideology solicitation. Register sex offender Michael Porter was also protected by the Kingdom Hall members and went door-to-door soliciting religious ideology literature. This is a violation of peoples mental and physical health and well being. They should not get a free pass to trespass onto your property just because they are clergy or a religious organization. The 1st Amendment should be protecting people in their homes from pedophiles but it is protecting them instead.
I think it is. You just don't like JWs and you don't want them on your property. Even if those that come were NOT involved in any sexual offenses of any kind. This is your crutch you are leaning on - now that you have run out of other excuses to play on.

Funny that you won't talk to them and ask them to put your address on their "Do not call" list like any intelligent civil person would reasonably do.

If you are intimidated talking to a couple of sweet politely-dressed ladies making your desire known at the comfort of your door-step, then make the phone call to the local kingdom hall during their meeting night. Or write them a litter and have the post office make your desire known.

As regards pedophiles, most are people not belonging to any denominational church which won't make media attention. You'll find them in post offices, shopping malls, grocery stores, and online. No, you don't find a sign on their heads.

It is bigotry to assume all JWs are pedophiles just as assuming that all Catholics are too the exclusion of all others.

Call or write the local kingdom hall, have your address placed on their "Do not call" list, and chill out with a cold beer. We won't mind at all.

But I'm sure you'd rather complain about it some more, right?

:)

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#19 Apr 8, 2011
Boni wrote:
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I think it is. You just don't like JWs and you don't want them on your property. Even if those that come were NOT involved in any sexual offenses of any kind. This is your crutch you are leaning on - now that you have run out of other excuses to play on.
Funny that you won't talk to them and ask them to put your address on their "Do not call" list like any intelligent civil person would reasonably do.
If you are intimidated talking to a couple of sweet politely-dressed ladies making your desire known at the comfort of your door-step, then make the phone call to the local kingdom hall during their meeting night. Or write them a litter and have the post office make your desire known.
As regards pedophiles, most are people not belonging to any denominational church which won't make media attention. You'll find them in post offices, shopping malls, grocery stores, and online. No, you don't find a sign on their heads.
It is bigotry to assume all JWs are pedophiles just as assuming that all Catholics are too the exclusion of all others.
Call or write the local kingdom hall, have your address placed on their "Do not call" list, and chill out with a cold beer. We won't mind at all.
But I'm sure you'd rather complain about it some more, right?
:)
I am sorry you want to place the blame on the victim. If you were a victim of this kind of abuse you would feel different.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#20 Apr 8, 2011
Put up a "No Trespassing" sign in the driveway entrance.

That will keep all but the most zealous JW's away.

For those you just need to ask them a few pertinent questions regarding Acts 15:1 and they will return to their car group with heads hanging.

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