for friends a new thread..
Open minded bible student

Canada

#1203 Jul 2, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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So you have 'put me on notice' because you choose to believe I am yet someone else. Whoever that person really is has complete control over you.
Officially? Is that NY slang for something?
I think he means that he is taking note of things

And being served means losing or being dissed
Open minded bible student

Canada

#1204 Jul 2, 2012
Corinthian wrote:
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OMBS~
Awesome! Yay! Thank you, thank you!
Corinthian
No problem :)
Open minded bible student

Canada

#1205 Jul 2, 2012
Corinthian wrote:
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OMBS~
Hey, I wanna interject here and acknowledge your willingness to apologize. That takes honor, and you have it. In my book, you are certainly respect-worthy.
It's enough to make someone feel good.:)
Corinthian
Yea I try to apologise and accept the fact that im wrong... Its not hard lol

Lifes a learning experience

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#1206 Jul 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>OK.

You are aware that the deal is off in your MM character.

That is all i wanted.

There is no need to further discuss this.
Why do you want the deal off. It is obvious we have nothing civil to say to or about each other. I have honored that agreement you have not. Lets try it again.
Self Righteous Topsy

Houston, TX

#1207 Jul 2, 2012
MM do you deny you are not all of these characters?

< http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-... ;

Are you going to kill of MIXED MEDIA soon and resurrect yourself?
TPMP

New York, NY

#1208 Jul 2, 2012
Corinthian wrote:
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OMBS~
Cool!
So, pagan origins are a moot point, yes?
Christmas has "some" similarities to paganism, yet it isn't NOW a worship/celebration of paganism.... just like Christianity/Jesus/Jehovah have some similarities to paganism, yet it/they are not NOW a worship/celebration of paganism?
Am I understanding you correctly?
Corinthian
No holiday is as pagan as Christmas.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#1209 Jul 2, 2012
Self Righteous Topsy wrote:
MM do you deny you are not all of these characters?

< http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-... ;

Are you going to kill of MIXED MEDIA soon and resurrect yourself?
I do not deny I am not all those. I told you I am not.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#1210 Jul 2, 2012
Corinthian wrote:
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I realize this post is going to ruffle a lot of feathers, probably on both sides of the fence here. I know this is NOT a popular opinion, and many may feel like I'm attacking the one thing held most dear to people. I'm trying very hard to approach this from a logical standpoint. There are posters here I very much respect (even if I disagree with some of their beliefs). I'm not setting out to offend....I'm offering logical conclusions that are based in reality. I'm willing to discuss these ideas with any who trulys desire discussion. This issue is something that has bothered me for some time and I welcome discussion OF THE ISSUE (not personal attacks). I may start a thread because I believe it is a worthy discussion based of fundamentals. I havent fully researched t but it is at the top of my list. Here goes......
Did pagans not celebrate/worship Horus? I find it highly coincidental the similarities between pagan Horus and Jesus.
Based on JW beliefs, true Christians should not celebrate Christmas because of its connections to pagan origins....FOLLOWING THAT EXACT LINE OF LOGIC, they should not be worshipping/celebrating Christianity because of its pagan connections/origins. The GB stopped short on its research...conveniently....whe n it came to Christmas, the Cross, Easter, etc., but didn't inform their members of the direct correlation between Jesus and pagan Horus...so go on back in your research and make comparisons between between the two. Funny how the GB failed to tell their followers of these paganistic similarities, yet produced the pagan similarities when it was convenient to use to condem "Christendom". And ignorant people don't even realize that while celebrating Christmas is only a teeny itty bitty part of "Christendom", the being you exalt as Sovereign is connected to pagan origins....without him, you wouldn't have your RELIGION and worship it in the way you do. "Celebrating Christmas is the same as worshipping Mithras- the Sun God of Righteousness" is EXACTLY PARALLEL to "Celebrating/living a life of Christianity is the same as celebrating/living in worship of Horus". Do you see how ridiculous that is?
So, either you believe that following beliefs/activities rooted in paganism is wrong and should be avoided, or you don't....when paganism is used as a basis to condem practices or to avoid them.
Your Christianity isn't rooted any less in pagan origins than those who celebrate Christmas and Easter. The GB just use those holidays to self-righteously condem other religions, yet are too stupid (or too scared....don't wanna lose that following) to realize, using their very own logic, they are accusing others of standing on false worship WHILE THEY ARE STANDING ON FALSE WORSHIP.
Or, they could be a little but reasonable and simply say, "okay, that STARTED out as a pagan ritual, but over time has evolved into something else entirely, such a the celebration of Christ the King".....just as the pagan worship of Horus evolved into something else entirely.....Christianity.
"Christendom's" celebration of the birth and/or resurrection of Jesus UNDER THE FOUNDATION IN WHICH THEY ***NOW*** WORSHIP IT is EXACTLY NO DIFFERENT that your celebration/worship of Christianity that is ***NOW*** worshipped.
...
Who inspired other forms of worship to other gods than the true God Jehovah? Satan inspired all of it, including the "cute" customs of Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, colored eggs, decorated trees.

How could you think that Jehovah would ever accept worship using ideas obtained from Satan the devil?

How could he be pleased to see people even secularly using ideas Satan originated in opposition to true worship of Jehovah the only true God?

Using Satan's ideas to worship Jehovah makes a mockery of Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Getting to know Jehovah by reading the Bible and hearing him say how he feels about such things is why Jehovah's Witnesses do not offend him with such travesties.

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#1211 Jul 2, 2012
This is a nice friendly thread.

Prime

Kent, WA

#1212 Jul 2, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Who inspired other forms of worship to other gods than the true God Jehovah? Satan inspired all of it, including the "cute" customs of Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, colored eggs, decorated trees.
How could you think that Jehovah would ever accept worship using ideas obtained from Satan the devil?
How could he be pleased to see people even secularly using ideas Satan originated in opposition to true worship of Jehovah the only true God?
Using Satan's ideas to worship Jehovah makes a mockery of Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Getting to know Jehovah by reading the Bible and hearing him say how he feels about such things is why Jehovah's Witnesses do not offend him with such travesties.
You can twist the bible and pretend celebrating birthdays, Christmas, Easter, and cough thanksgiving all you want is celebrating other GOD's! The facts are that Christians are not celebrating any other GOD's no matter how much you wish it but go ahead and speak for GOD,it's what you're taught and what your organization is famous for because armageddon has already come in 1975 right EE?
Open minded bible student

Canada

#1213 Jul 2, 2012
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>You can twist the bible and pretend celebrating birthdays, Christmas, Easter, and cough thanksgiving all you want is celebrating other GOD's! The facts are that Christians are not celebrating any other GOD's no matter how much you wish it but go ahead and speak for GOD,it's what you're taught and what your organization is famous for because armageddon has already come in 1975 right EE?
Hey... Be nice prime... The lutheren sect of cathlocism thought that the end was near too... And had several predictions... If you would like I can post them...

Since: Jul 12

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#1214 Jul 2, 2012
Open minded bible student wrote:
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Hey... Be nice prime... The lutheren sect of cathlocism thought that the end was near too... And had several predictions... If you would like I can post them...
If what you say is true the Lutherans were wrong. But none of that matters. This forum is about Jehovah's Witnesses who, when confronted with their flaws, they respond with, "look at this religion or that religion, they were wrong too".

This forum is about Jehovah's Witnesses, not Lutherans.
TPMP

United States

#1215 Jul 2, 2012
Night Sentry wrote:
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If what you say is true the Lutherans were wrong. But none of that matters. This forum is about Jehovah's Witnesses who, when confronted with their flaws, they respond with, "look at this religion or that religion, they were wrong too".
This forum is about Jehovah's Witnesses, not Lutherans.
If one comes into the truth for a definitive timetable of when the end is coming.

Then one shouldn't have come in the truth in the first place.
TPMP

United States

#1216 Jul 2, 2012
It may be a while now.

Many of the faithful ones of old died without receiving anything. Yet, Jehovah still saw fit to give them an honorable mention in the bible for our benefit today.

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If it seems that he is delaying it is because he desires all to be saved.

That is a good sign.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#1217 Jul 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
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If one comes into the truth for a definitive timetable of when the end is coming.
Then one shouldn't have come in the truth in the first place.
If the JWs say they don't set dates, they should stop setting dates.
Corinthian

Argyle, FL

#1218 Jul 2, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Who inspired other forms of worship to other gods than the true God Jehovah? Satan inspired all of it, including the "cute" customs of Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, colored eggs, decorated trees.
How could you think that Jehovah would ever accept worship using ideas obtained from Satan the devil?
How could he be pleased to see people even secularly using ideas Satan originated in opposition to true worship of Jehovah the only true God?
Using Satan's ideas to worship Jehovah makes a mockery of Jehovah and Jesus Christ. Getting to know Jehovah by reading the Bible and hearing him say how he feels about such things is why Jehovah's Witnesses do not offend him with such travesties.
EE~

What you say SOUNDS solid and reasonable ....but it still leaves a niggling question that touches on many fundamental beliefs and customs in Christianity. This is NOT a Witness vs Christendom issue...and if you refuse to consider that, then there is no need for further conversation with you.

How could I think that Jehovah would ever accept worship using ideas obtained from Satan the Devil?

You say paganism was invented and promoted by Satan. Okay, I'll buy that. Many of those beliefs/customs/traditions existing in paganism...in place and going strong before Jesus...were duplicated in the Bible and applied to beliefs/customs/rituals of Christianity and Jesus (the virgin birth, resurrection after 3 days, etc). Look, I can't help that these beliefs already existed in association with pagan gods when Jesus hit the scene. But you said Jehovah would never accept worship using ideas obtained from Satan. If those things originated with Satan, were already in place when Jesus came along, then they were obtained from Satan and used in worship of Jehovah. If you can explain how that reality isn't a reality, I'm all ears.

Look, I'm not trying to argue. I'm not renouncing God or Jesus. I'm trying to learn here. When I look at the reality of what I just outlined above, it is a bit scary to me. Your logic doesn't stand up to those realities because what happened, in fact, did happen.

I started a different thread to discuss all of this.

Corinthian
TPMP

United States

#1219 Jul 2, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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If the JWs say they don't set dates, they should stop setting dates.
1975 argument??

Again?....

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1220 Jul 2, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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If the JWs say they don't set dates, they should stop setting dates.
They should stop but being wrong is too near and dear to them.
pam

Bakersfield, CA

#1221 Jul 3, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>1975 argument??
Again?....
No...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
"C.T.Russell: Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon (till 1910, called The Day of Vengeance), 1897, 1904-20, 1923-5, 1927".

1776 "And this long persecution, in which 'many were purified and made white and tried,' and in which the Mother of Harlots was 'drunk with the blood of the saints and the martyrs of Jesus'(Rev. 17:6) ended as we have already shown, practically in 1776.." {BATT 584}[Also see 1799]
1780 "signs in sun, moon and stars [of] Matthew 24:29" {WR Jan 1885 711}
1780 "Are these signs to be regarded as literal or as symbolic? and have they yet been fulfilled? We answer that they have had a literal fulfillment, and are now having a symbolic fulfillment much more momentous. On May 19, 1780 (still 'in those days,' the 1260 years of Papal power, but after that power had begun to wane and the brunt of the tribulation had passed) a phenomenal darkening of the sun occurred, for which scientists of that time and since have never been able to account.. This unaccountable day, except as a sign from the Lord, is reckoned to have extended over 320,000 square miles - an area about twenty-five times the size of Palestine, to which the signs of the first advent were limited. Indeed, the fact that these signs were chiefly confined to the New England and Middle States need not surprise us, when we remember that the first movement amongst the 'Virgins'*(Matt. 25:1-5) was chiefly in the same locality. And that God should use the'land of liberty' for sending the message of these signs to the world, is no more wonderful than that he has been pleased to send from the same quarter many of the modern blessings and inventions and lessons, recognized by the whole world, and aptly emblemized by the gift of the great French artist, Bartholdi, to New York harbor - the statue of 'Liberty Enlightening the World.'" {BATT 585-8}

1798 "Start of 'the last days'" [i.e. after the end of 1260 days of Rev 12. 99 "Having thus furnished grounds for establishing the identity of this character (Napoleon), whose deeds mark the beginning of the 'Time of the End,' the prophecy proceeds to show which particular event of that time is to be understood as definitely marking the exact date of the beginning of the 'Time of the End.' This event is shown to be Napoleon's invasion of Egypt, which covered a period of a year and nearly five months. He sailed May, 1798 and, returning, landed in France Oct. 9, 1799

1799 "1799 .. start of 'the last days'" {WR Jan/Feb 1889 10931799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures.. Though our information pointing out the date of this period is furnished in Daniel's prophecy, we know that he understood nothing at all concerning it, as he said:'I heard, but I understood not.'(Dan. 12:8). In answer to his anxious inquiries he was told that the words were closed up and sealed until the Time of the End. It follows, therefore, that no one could understand the prophecy before 1799 .. But 1799 was only the beginning of the period known as 'the Time of the End,' within the limits of which every vestige of that system shall pass away.. We have thus shown that 1799 began the period called the Time of the End; that in this time Papacy is to be consumed piece-meal" {TKIC 23-4/48/59}[Did every vestige even of the Papacy pass away in 1914?]

Since: Apr 09

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#1222 Jul 3, 2012
unlisted wrote:
this thread was suggested by corinthian so those of us who want to be friends can post her about anything but religion.
speak about pets anything but lets keep religion out of it. does any one know how to grow red rasberries? we have them growing but they turn red too quickly and so small. we also have a tree that has two types of plums growing and they are soo good..
When this thread started, you see it said: "lets keep religion out of it". With all the threads on this forum, why did a certain few have to jump in and ruin this one? Many people were enjoying this original thread when it was used for its initial purpose. I hope those who ruined it--and you know who you are--are pleased with themselves.

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