The 1st Christmas celebration

The 1st Christmas celebration

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UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#1 Dec 19, 2012
The Birth of Jesus

In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that the whole empire should be registered. 2 This first registration took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So everyone went to be registered, each to his own town.
4 And Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family line of David, 5 to be registered along with Mary, who was engaged to him and was pregnant. 6 While they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 Then she gave birth to her firstborn Son, and she wrapped Him snugly in cloth and laid Him in a feeding trough—because there was no room for them at the inn.

The Shepherds and the Angels

8 In the same region, shepherds were staying out in the fields and keeping watch at night over their flock. 9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them,“Don’t be afraid, for look, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11 today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David. 12 This will be the sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped snugly in cloth and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:
14 Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and peace on earth to people He favors!
15 When the angels had left them and returned to heaven, the shepherds said to one another,“Let’s go straight to Bethlehem and see what has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 They hurried off and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby who was lying in the feeding trough. 17 After seeing [them], they reported the message they were told about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary was treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had seen and heard, just as they had been told.
Luke 2:1-20

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#2 Dec 19, 2012
Bwahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hah!
Where's the Star?
Where's the Astrologers?
Where's the Fatman?
Where's the Flying Reindeer?
Where's the Saturnailia Trees?

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#3 Dec 19, 2012
No 'X-Mas' there, DDC...
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#4 Dec 19, 2012
When the angels had left them and returned to heaven, the shepherds said to one another,“Let’s go straight to Bethlehem and see what has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 They hurried off and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby who was lying in the feeding trough. 17 After seeing [them], they reported the message they were told about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary was treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had seen and heard, just as they had been told.
Luke 2:15-20
Pat

Rockford, IL

#5 Dec 19, 2012
"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
"And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins."

"And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth.

AND MANY ARE STILL REJOICING AT hIS BIRTH
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#6 Dec 19, 2012
Pat wrote:
"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.
"And she will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins."
"And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth.
AND MANY ARE STILL REJOICING AT hIS BIRTH
Amen!

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#7 Dec 19, 2012
Notice how churchoids ignore ALL the facts, and continue there pretense as if no one SEES it?

yawn

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#8 Dec 19, 2012
UNchained wrote:
The Birth of Jesus
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that the whole empire should be registered. 2 This first registration took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So everyone went to be registered, each to his own town.
4 And Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family line of David, 5 to be registered along with Mary, who was engaged to him and was pregnant. 6 While they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 Then she gave birth to her firstborn Son, and she wrapped Him snugly in cloth and laid Him in a feeding trough—because there was no room for them at the inn.
The Shepherds and the Angels
8 In the same region, shepherds were staying out in the fields and keeping watch at night over their flock. 9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them,“Don’t be afraid, for look, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11 today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David. 12 This will be the sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped snugly in cloth and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:
14 Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and peace on earth to people He favors!
15 When the angels had left them and returned to heaven, the shepherds said to one another,“Let’s go straight to Bethlehem and see what has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 They hurried off and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby who was lying in the feeding trough. 17 After seeing [them], they reported the message they were told about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary was treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had seen and heard, just as they had been told.
Luke 2:1-20
The early Christians didn't have an annual celebration of the birthday of Jesus. For starters, the date of the birthday of Jesus was never preserved in Scripture.

Perhaps God's holy spirit was trying to safeguard true Christians from the pagan customs of the lands Christians were living on?

I think so. But it wouldn't stop those that went after those customs.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#9 Dec 19, 2012
Boni wrote:
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The early Christians didn't have an annual celebration of the birthday of Jesus. For starters, the date of the birthday of Jesus was never preserved in Scripture.
Perhaps God's holy spirit was trying to safeguard true Christians from the pagan customs of the lands Christians were living on?
I think so. But it wouldn't stop those that went after those customs.
Where are any any pagan customs in Luke 2:1-20?

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#10 Dec 19, 2012
Bwahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hah!
Where's the Star?
Where's the Astrologers?
Where's the Fatman?
Where's the Flying Reindeer?
Where's the Saturnailia Trees?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#11 Dec 19, 2012
UNchained wrote:
The Birth of Jesus
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that the whole empire should be registered. 2 This first registration took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So everyone went to be registered, each to his own town.
4 And Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family line of David, 5 to be registered along with Mary, who was engaged to him and was pregnant. 6 While they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 Then she gave birth to her firstborn Son, and she wrapped Him snugly in cloth and laid Him in a feeding trough—because there was no room for them at the inn.
The Shepherds and the Angels
8 In the same region, shepherds were staying out in the fields and keeping watch at night over their flock. 9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them,“Don’t be afraid, for look, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11 today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David. 12 This will be the sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped snugly in cloth and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:
14 Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and peace on earth to people He favors!
15 When the angels had left them and returned to heaven, the shepherds said to one another,“Let’s go straight to Bethlehem and see what has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 They hurried off and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby who was lying in the feeding trough. 17 After seeing [them], they reported the message they were told about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary was treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had seen and heard, just as they had been told.
Luke 2:1-20
This is NOT Christmas.

Christmas was invented by the Catholics in the 3rd/4th century. They took ritual celebrations to pagan gods and used those as a means by which to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.(smart huh?)

They did it that way because they knew that they could not get the pagans to stop celebrating they way they celebrate the false gods. So they decided to use the way pagans celebrate their false gods as a means to honour Jesus.

So Christmas at its very core is a bunch of pagan ritual celebrations to false gods performed in the name of Jesus.

That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actual birth of Christ recorded in the Bible.
Lol

Oakland, CA

#12 Dec 19, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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This is NOT Christmas.
Christmas was invented by the Catholics in the 3rd/4th century. They took ritual celebrations to pagan gods and used those as a means by which to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ.(smart huh?)
They did it that way because they knew that they could not get the pagans to stop celebrating they way they celebrate the false gods. So they decided to use the way pagans celebrate their false gods as a means to honour Jesus.
So Christmas at its very core is a bunch of pagan ritual celebrations to false gods performed in the name of Jesus.
That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the actual birth of Christ recorded in the Bible.
Sort of like the name "Jehovah" was invented by a Catholic monk?

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#13 Dec 19, 2012
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#14 Dec 20, 2012
UNchained wrote:
The Birth of Jesus
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that the whole empire should be registered. 2 This first registration took place while Quirinius was governing Syria. 3 So everyone went to be registered, each to his own town.
4 And Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family line of David, 5 to be registered along with Mary, who was engaged to him and was pregnant. 6 While they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 Then she gave birth to her firstborn Son, and she wrapped Him snugly in cloth and laid Him in a feeding trough—because there was no room for them at the inn.
The Shepherds and the Angels
8 In the same region, shepherds were staying out in the fields and keeping watch at night over their flock. 9 Then an angel of the Lord stood before them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. 10 But the angel said to them,“Don’t be afraid, for look, I proclaim to you good news of great joy that will be for all the people: 11 today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David. 12 This will be the sign for you: you will find a baby wrapped snugly in cloth and lying in a manger.”
13 Suddenly there was a multitude of the heavenly host with the angel, praising God and saying:
14 Glory to God in the highest heaven,
and peace on earth to people He favors!
15 When the angels had left them and returned to heaven, the shepherds said to one another,“Let’s go straight to Bethlehem and see what has happened, which the Lord has made known to us.”
16 They hurried off and found both Mary and Joseph, and the baby who was lying in the feeding trough. 17 After seeing [them], they reported the message they were told about this child, 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them. 19 But Mary was treasuring up all these things in her heart and meditating on them. 20 The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all they had seen and heard, just as they had been told.
Luke 2:1-20
If this truly was the first Christmas, it has been corrupted through the years. Just like every expression men make.......

8 And when YOU present a blind [animal] for sacrificing:“It is nothing bad.” And when YOU present a lame [animal] or a sick one:“It is nothing bad.”’”
“Bring it near, please, to your governor. Will he find pleasure in you, or will he receive you kindly?” Jehovah of armies has said.

sidgi

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 20, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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Where are any any pagan customs in Luke 2:1-20?
No. Now questions for you. Limit your answers using the Bible by citing verses.

Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 done on December 25th?

Was the date of events of Luke 2:1-20 ever recorded in the Bible for any Christian to keep track of?

Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever commanded to be a annually celebrated feast day?

Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever celebrated as a feast day using pre-existing winter solstice pagan celebrations, decorations, customs, and traditions?

Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever mentioned or given any significance by Jesus?

Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever mentioned or given any significance by any of the apostles or disciples?

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#16 Dec 20, 2012
Boni wrote:
Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 done on December 25th?
They didn't use the same calendar we do. Further, as real Christians do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31), there is never a bad day to give thanks that our Savior came.
Boni wrote:
Was the date of events of Luke 2:1-20 ever recorded in the Bible for any Christian to keep track of?
Specific dates for many things are not included in the bible. But, as real Christians do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31), there is never a bad day to give thanks that our Savior came, and that includes on December 25.
Boni wrote:
Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever commanded to be a annually celebrated feast day?
Not precisely, but many people celebrate other events such as wedding anniversaries and baby showers without providing any scriptural basis for doing such. Since we do know that many rejoiced at the birth of our Savior (Luke 1:14) it would clearly be silly to condemn others for also rejoicing in such an amazing event.
Boni wrote:
Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever celebrated as a feast day using pre-existing winter solstice pagan celebrations, decorations, customs, and traditions?
As for feasts, there are many examples of such in the bible as being appropriate to give thanks and glory to God for His provisions.

As for "pagan celebrations, decorations, customs, and traditions", I do not celebrate any pagan events or items so I will leave that to those who do.
Boni wrote:
Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever mentioned or given any significance by Jesus?
If you believe the bible is inspired by God, then yes. The fact that the events are recorded in the bible automatically designate them as being held as significant by God. Unless you believe certain verses in the bible are insignificant and irrelevant in which case that is your personal judgment. I choose to accept that God chose all His writings as significant and important.
Boni wrote:
Was the events of Luke 2:1-20 ever mentioned or given any significance by any of the apostles or disciples?
See the answer to the previous question.

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#17 Dec 20, 2012

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#18 Dec 20, 2012

Since: Sep 08

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#19 Dec 20, 2012
Sparlock wrote:
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They didn't use the same calendar we do.
That's a granted. So, what dating method was used for the events of Luke 2:1-20 that equates to December 25th?
Sparlock wrote:
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Further, as real Christians do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31), there is never a bad day to give thanks that our Savior came.
If the first century Christians were "real Christians", where is the evidence in the New Testament that they included Jesus' birthday as doing this "for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31)"?
Sparlock wrote:
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there is never a bad day to give thanks that our Savior came.
No. Buy why December 25 under the false pretense that it is his birthday? And why use decorations, traditions, and customs that belong to pagan deities first but are used on him?

Was God ever pleased when pagan elements were used in His worship? Would His Son act similarly with, or differently from, in this regard?
Sparlock wrote:
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Specific dates for many things are not included in the bible. But, as real Christians do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31), there is never a bad day to give thanks that our Savior came, and that includes on December 25.
Specific dates for God approved festival are included in the Bible. In the Christian era when festival ceased and others were instituted dates or when they were celebrated were included so "real Christians" can repeat them. This is not the case for Christmas.
Sparlock wrote:
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Not precisely, but many people celebrate other events such as wedding anniversaries and baby showers without providing any scriptural basis for doing such. Since we do know that many rejoiced at the birth of our Savior (Luke 1:14) it would clearly be silly to condemn others for also rejoicing in such an amazing event.
Not the case for Christmas. This is a celebration which is assumed to be a Biblical celebration but the Biblical facts prove otherwise.

Who is condemning? I'm asking where in the Bible the "real Christians" were commanded to celebrate the birthday of Jesus?

The lack of such Biblical evidence may be perceived as "condemning" in addition to historical indictments regarding the origins of the feast but I'm not doing that -- the Bible and plain unbiased history does that just fine.
Sparlock wrote:
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As for feasts, there are many examples of such in the bible as being appropriate to give thanks and glory to God for His provisions.
None of that is recorded for an annual celebration of the birth of Jesus.
Sparlock wrote:
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As for "pagan celebrations, decorations, customs, and traditions", I do not celebrate any pagan events or items so I will leave that to those who do.
If you a celebrating an event on December 25th, you are. I don't doubt you even have decorations and observing traditions with regard to that December 25th event that can all be traced in origin to those "pagan celebrations, decorations, customs, and traditions" which any encyclopedia will attest.

:)
Sparlock wrote:
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If you believe the bible is inspired by God, then yes. The fact that the events are recorded in the bible automatically designate them as being held as significant by God. Unless you believe certain verses in the bible are insignificant and irrelevant in which case that is your personal judgment. I choose to accept that God chose all His writings as significant and important.
The virgin birth of Jesus was significant. But that's as far as it went. The rest was up to Jesus as he grew and became a man, and could decide for himself whether he will follow and accomplish his Father's will.

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#20 Dec 20, 2012
Boni wrote:
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That's a granted. So, what dating method was used for the events of Luke 2:1-20 that equates to December 25th?
Christians do not claim Jesus was born on December 25th, so your entire question is based upon a false presupposition. Rather, true Christians do all things for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31) and that includes rejoicing at the birth of our Savior, just as was done in bible times (Luke 1:14).
Boni wrote:
<quoted text>
If the first century Christians were "real Christians", where is the evidence in the New Testament that they included Jesus' birthday as doing this "for the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31)"?
Another irrelevant question. People can celebrate wedding anniversaries and be glad for what God has joined together (Mark 10:9) without any evidence that a particular person in the first century congregation did likewise.

Similarly, Christians can hold baby showers to give thanks for God giving them the opportunity to further the family unit (Genesis 1:28) while having no evidence of baby showers in the first century congregation.

In like manner, it would be very appropriate for a Christian to decide for himself to celebrate as he rejoices over the birth of our Savior (Luke 1:14) without needing to see someone from the first century congregation doing the same thing.

Where is the example of the first century congregation requiring members to distribute uninspired texts? Where is the example of the first century congregation requiring members to keep time logs of their preaching activity? Where is the example of anyone in the first century congregation being required to answer a battery of questions and declare allegiance to an organization of men to be baptized?

This is a game you don't want to play, as you will lose quite badly indeed.
Boni wrote:
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No. Buy why December 25 under the false pretense that it is his birthday?
I do not know of a single Christian who actually believes December 25th is the proven birthday of Jesus, so your question is irrelevant. Furthermore, I do not know of a single Christian who makes any pretense that December 25th is the birthday of Jesus, so your question is dishonest in its wording.

Furthermore, it is not untypical to celebrate something on a day other than its strictly designated date (human birthdays, for instance) so your question makes a number of presuppositions that are inaccurate or misleading. Also, for true Christians all days belong to Christ, including December 25th, and that means no day is a bad day to rejoice over the birth of our savior (Luke 1:14).
Boni wrote:
<quoted text>And why use decorations, traditions, and customs that belong to pagan deities first but are used on him?
I do not "use decorations, traditions, and customs that belong to pagan deities" so you will have to find someone who does.

I can tell you that pagan deities do not exist. So nothing can belong to a "god" that doesn't exist. There is only one God.

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