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Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#61 Apr 12, 2012
Mr_Know it all wrote:
I'm afraid your basic understanding of the purpose of God calling His people priests and kings even in under the old covenant is severely distorted. God people in the end of time shall indeed reign with him in heaven for a thousand years in a sense that they will be going over the books of the wick dead and the rebellious angels.
No, that is a delusion. God has an everlasting eternal Kingdom that always has ruled heaven, the dragon NEVER wore crowns on that 7 head symbol (Rev12:1-3), ONLY self-appointed by God permitted "diadems" that Michael and his angels, as Heaven's ruling "crown of the woman" of 12 most powerful angelic orders of which Michael is one, and the now Foremost Princely King, booted forever permanently from Heaven's dominion. THAT is the power that rules heaven, as "woman" shown subservient to Almighty God, who received a "Baby" Messianic Kingdom, NOT full grown power blasting angels who were capable of rendering Satan and all his demons 7 times over, as impotent as pigeons with broken wings, as they spiralled to earth, hurled in everlasting fury, to their earth "perch" awaiting the casting ALSO to abyss, and ALSO to lake of fire.

THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM, NOW NEARLY FULL GROWN, WILL BE THE POWER THAT REMOVES SATAN AND THE DEMONS FROM THIS EPH6:12 REALM, AND ALSO ALL RIVAL "SUPER-POWERS" OF EARTH FOR TRUE SUPER-POWER OF SUPER-CELESTIAL PROPORTIONS.

The Messianic Kingdom is therefore EARTH focused and focused on this here universe, not as a heaven rulership, but seated in heaven for earth's benefit, to be handed back into God's Universal Kingdom power, as Jehovah's Sovereign Supremacy rules over all His "women" in his woman, and in Christ's "bride" as all one under One Supreme True Eternity King Jehovah.

That is why those great powers are shown in the role of the feminine, though powerful, they are NOT of Jehovah's Almightiness, but he adorns them BOTH with crowns of His authority.

That is also why Christ is Eternal Father, and his "bride" is the means to affect that fruitfulness in human kind, he, Christ, is the dominating figure in that arrangement, just as His Father is the Domination of All Power.

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Currently the blood is atonement and healong to go into full overdrive through this Kingdom Messianic appointed by God's Kingdom authority for the earthly sovereign recovery, ON earth, from heaven's powers. The body of Christ in that "bread of heaven" is the hope of human perfection and sinlessness that is truly offered to mankind now, by that hope, that must pass away into reality, for no one hopes for something realized, at in will be realized.

And when it is realized, then the blood, the lifeblood of Christ IS everlasting life, the body IS human perfection, for humankind, the ONLY ones who must have "death brought to nothing" as places under Christ's feet; 1Cor15:26; Heb2:14; Rev21:1-5

So that "sacrifice and gift" blood and body; Heb8-10, will be transformed into full human family reality, and the human's must ALSO become God's earthly children, there is NO way to stop this "eternal purpose"; Eph1-3 from bringing in humans into the perfect form of Christ, the very reason Christ became man perfect, and maintained it to save man, and not only man, all things brought through him and for him in creation as HIS, his possession of ALL life in earthly creation, Christ is saving it all, nothing can be lost, but what remains in disobedience; Col1; John6:39-40, they, Jehovah and Christ now, preserve ALL things alive; 1Tim6:13

Death will die. Rev20:14, and Adamic death affected all physical earth creation by route of Adam's responsibility; Gen1:28; Rom8:18-22

Eden, much less Planet Eden (this earth) is fully unknown to man today, the fullness of the life in that perfect state that Adam WAS in (gen2:8), and all things fell with him into corruption; Rom8:18-22.

This earth is in for a total "new earth" "makeover"; Matt19:28.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#62 Apr 12, 2012
Mr_Know it all wrote:
I'm afraid your basic understanding of the purpose of God calling His people priests and kings even in under the old covenant is severely distorted. God people in the end of time shall indeed reign with him in heaven for a thousand years in a sense that they will be going over the books of the wick dead and the rebellious angels.
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[More scriptures added]

No, that is a delusion. God has an everlasting eternal Kingdom that always has ruled heaven, the dragon NEVER wore crowns on that 7 head symbol (Rev12:1-3), ONLY self-appointed, yet God permitted "diadems" that Michael and his angels, as Heaven's ruling "crown of the woman" of 12 most powerful angelic orders of which Michael is one, and the now Foremost Princely King, booted forever permanently from Heaven's dominion.

THAT is the power that rules heaven, as "woman" shown subservient to Almighty God, who received a "Baby" Messianic Kingdom to His throne (Rev12:1-6), THEN the full grown power blasting holy angels went into action (Rev12:7-12) who were FULLY capable of rendering Satan and all his demons, 7 times over, as impotent as pigeons with broken wings, as they spiraled and plummeted to earth, hurled in everlasting fury, to their earth "perch" awaiting the casting ALSO to abyss, and ALSO to lake of fire.

THEN the Messianic Kingdom is raised in heaven to complete the finality of the tasks NOT for heaven, but for earth, and God's sovereign restoration over this universe to the maximum.

THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM, NOW NEARLY FULL GROWN, WILL BE THE POWER THAT REMOVES SATAN AND THE DEMONS FROM THIS EPH6:12 EARTH/ HEAVENS REALM, AND ALSO ALL RIVAL "SUPER-POWERS" OF EARTH FOR TRUE SUPER-POWER OF SUPER-CELESTIAL PROPORTIONS.

The Messianic Kingdom is therefore EARTH focused and focused on this here universe, not as a heaven rulership, but seated in heaven for earth's benefit, to be handed back into God's Universal Kingdom power, as Jehovah's Sovereign Supremacy rules over all His "women" in his woman, and in Christ's "bride" as all one under One Supreme True Eternity King Jehovah.

That is why those great powers are shown in the role of the feminine, though powerful, they are NOT of Jehovah's Almightiness, but he adorns them BOTH with crowns of His authority.

That is also why Christ is Eternal Father, and his "bride" is the means to affect that fruitfulness in human kind, he, Christ, is the dominating figure in that arrangement, just as His Father is the Domination of All Power.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#63 Apr 12, 2012
2/2
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Currently the blood is atonement and healong to go into full overdrive through this Kingdom Messianic appointed by God's Kingdom authority for the earthly sovereign recovery, ON earth, from heaven's powers. The body of Christ in that "bread of heaven" is the hope of human perfection and sinlessness that is truly offered to mankind now, by that hope, that must pass away into reality, for no one hopes for something realized, at in will be realized.

And when it is realized, then the blood, the lifeblood of Christ IS everlasting life, the body IS human perfection, for humankind, the ONLY ones who must have "death brought to nothing" as places under Christ's feet; 1Cor15:26; Heb2:14; Rev21:1-5

So that "sacrifice and gift" blood and body; Heb8-10, will be transformed into full human family reality, and the human's must ALSO become God's earthly children, there is NO way to stop this "eternal purpose"; Eph1-3 from bringing in humans into the perfect form of Christ, the very reason Christ became man perfect, and maintained it to save man, and not only man, all things brought through him and for him in creation as HIS, his possession of ALL life in earthly creation, Christ is saving it all, nothing can be lost, but what remains in disobedience; Col1; John6:39-40, they, Jehovah and Christ now, preserve ALL things alive; 1Tim6:13

Death will die. Rev20:14, and Adamic death affected all physical earth creation by route of Adam's responsibility; Gen1:28; Rom8:18-22

Eden, much less Planet Eden (this earth) is fully unknown to man today, the fullness of the life in that perfect state that Adam WAS in (gen2:8), and all things fell with him into corruption; Rom8:18-22.

This earth is in for a total "new earth" "makeover"; Matt19:28.

Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#64 Apr 12, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a "little flock", the ONLY flock given approval of Kingdom, by undeserved kindness for God's purpose not human purpose:
(Luke 12:32) 32 “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.
(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
So how much littler does it need to be? 144000 not a little enough flock?
This is common sense, a scripture saying "the 144000 ARE the little flock" cannot convince some people, they are too lost in the errors of human tradition to see common sense meaning.
Can't get much littler than a "little flock" of 144000. Know what I mean? 144 is just too little of a flock, LOL. So 144000 is a fitting count of a "little flock", we all get the comparative meaning now that this a small number in comparison to the human salvation targeting billions of earthlings.
Point,

You're not talking your meds again I see.

Luke 12:32 the phrase "little flock" doesn't apply in ANY way to any selected 144,000 but the church itself. The twelve apostles though small in number would be the foundational stones with Christ being the chief corner stone. Even God's church of today would be consider still being the small flock in number when compared to the rest of the rebellious world.

If you had used "common sense" then you would have understood that Christ calls them little flock because they were samll and defenseless group that could be easily preyed upon.

Did you not know that even these same disciples are called SHEEP several times? Matt.26:31 even states that the "sheep of the flock will be scattered" which is a quote from Zech.13:7 which finds it fulfillment in Christ death.(Please notices that there were others who were faithfully following the Messiah as well i.e...Lazarus, Mary, Martha and Joseph of Arimathea.)

The problem with you is you're either not using scripture but rhetoric to explain your position or either misapplying scripture to fit your distorted WTS interpretations.

Please show any legitimate proof that you may have linking the term "small flock" or "anointed" to solely applying to the 144,000. I hope you're not serious that the shallow assumption reasoning you gave is actually proof:)


Since: Jan 11

Jackson, TN

#65 Apr 12, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
<quoted text>
1/2
[More scriptures added]
No, that is a delusion. God has an everlasting eternal Kingdom that always has ruled heaven, the dragon NEVER wore crowns on that 7 head symbol (Rev12:1-3), ONLY self-appointed, yet God permitted "diadems" that Michael and his angels, as Heaven's ruling "crown of the woman" of 12 most powerful angelic orders of which Michael is one, and the now Foremost Princely King, booted forever permanently from Heaven's dominion.
THAT is the power that rules heaven, as "woman" shown subservient to Almighty God, who received a "Baby" Messianic Kingdom to His throne (Rev12:1-6), THEN the full grown power blasting holy angels went into action (Rev12:7-12) who were FULLY capable of rendering Satan and all his demons, 7 times over, as impotent as pigeons with broken wings, as they spiraled and plummeted to earth, hurled in everlasting fury, to their earth "perch" awaiting the casting ALSO to abyss, and ALSO to lake of fire.
THEN the Messianic Kingdom is raised in heaven to complete the finality of the tasks NOT for heaven, but for earth, and God's sovereign restoration over this universe to the maximum.
THE MESSIANIC KINGDOM, NOW NEARLY FULL GROWN, WILL BE THE POWER THAT REMOVES SATAN AND THE DEMONS FROM THIS EPH6:12 EARTH/ HEAVENS REALM, AND ALSO ALL RIVAL "SUPER-POWERS" OF EARTH FOR TRUE SUPER-POWER OF SUPER-CELESTIAL PROPORTIONS.
The Messianic Kingdom is therefore EARTH focused and focused on this here universe, not as a heaven rulership, but seated in heaven for earth's benefit, to be handed back into God's Universal Kingdom power, as Jehovah's Sovereign Supremacy rules over all His "women" in his woman, and in Christ's "bride" as all one under One Supreme True Eternity King Jehovah.
That is why those great powers are shown in the role of the feminine, though powerful, they are NOT of Jehovah's Almightiness, but he adorns them BOTH with crowns of His authority.
That is also why Christ is Eternal Father, and his "bride" is the means to affect that fruitfulness in human kind, he, Christ, is the dominating figure in that arrangement, just as His Father is the Domination of All Power.
Point,

This certain distortion of the end-time lies in your eror belief of steps to salvation for thoses who are not honored with being the 144,000.

It's not secret that the WTS believe in salvation by faith and works. It is for this reason why you MUST believe that there is a need for a 1,000 to get perfect IN Christ.

This organization inability to understand "righeousness by faith" is shocking.

God did not send His Son merely to deliver us from sin so that we could be declared righteous. he sent His Son in order to set us free from sin AND restore His image in us.This work includes sanctification. It is for this same reason why He the Holy Spirit hath given His church spiritual gifts for the equipping AND perfecting of the saints. Eph.4:11-13

What do you not believe in the promise as found in Phil. 1:6 He the Holy Spirit WILL complete the word that He had begun in us even til the day of Christ.

The need of 1,000 earthly years to be perfected in the image of Christ and the right to have one's name recorded in the book of life is absolutely nonsense.

(Have I not pointed out to you using scriptures on numerous times that the Lamb's "book if life" is spoken of many times in the Old and New. Mose himself stated that His name was recorded.)

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#66 Apr 16, 2012
Mr_Know it all wrote:
Luke 12:32 the phrase "little flock" doesn't apply in ANY way to any selected 144,000 but the church itself. The twelve apostles though small in number would be the foundational stones with Christ being the chief corner stone. Even God's church of today would be consider still being the small flock in number when compared to the rest of the rebellious world.

If you had used "common sense" then you would have understood that Christ calls them little flock because they were samll and defenseless group that could be easily preyed upon.

...

The problem with you is you're either not using scripture but rhetoric to explain your position or either misapplying scripture to fit your distorted WTS interpretations.

Please show any legitimate proof that you may have linking the term "small flock" or "anointed" to solely applying to the 144,000. I hope you're not serious that the shallow assumption reasoning you gave is actually proof:)
This is what you call non-sensical rhetoric:

""...Christ calls them little flock because they were samll and defenseless group that could be easily preyed upon. ""

That is absolute shallow rubbish as any "truth". Ridiculous you should make such an asinine limited assumption supported NOWHERE in scripture.

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Here is why the "little flock" is significant:

(Luke 12:32) 32 “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.

1. Kingdom; SEE THAT? THEY GET THE KINGDOM.

2. Now we see there is a DEFINITE APPOINTED TIME TO GET THIS KINGDOM:

(Daniel 7:21-22) 21 “I kept on beholding when that very horn made war upon the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment itself was given in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, and the definite time arrived that the holy ones took possession of the kingdom itself.

And this is no joke or church error, this is the real and finality of Messianic rulership of earth:

(Daniel 7:27) 27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even them.’

3. Heavenly Zion; So we easily understand this itty bitty number 144000 is the "little flock" of "holy ones" who are given Zion rulership:

(Hebrews 12:22-23) But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens.

(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.

===

It is easy to understand once you get out of idol trinity worship, and come into the true God Jehovah by way of the true Jesus Christ, NOT the trinitarian counterfeits.

You will see only blackness worshiping the trinity of "gods".

This is an example of just how blind those things can make you, the "little flock" is a simple teaching, yet it confounds you like a trick question or mind-teaser, yet it is very simple when your eyes are opened by the truth.

144000??? LITTLE number, LITTLE "flock". Very simple.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#67 Apr 16, 2012
20571point428571 wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what you call non-sensical rhetoric:
""...Christ calls them little flock because they were samll and defenseless group that could be easily preyed upon. ""
That is absolute shallow rubbish as any "truth". Ridiculous you should make such an asinine limited assumption supported NOWHERE in scripture.
===
Here is why the "little flock" is significant:
(Luke 12:32) 32 “Have no fear, little flock, because your Father has approved of giving you the kingdom.
1. Kingdom; SEE THAT? THEY GET THE KINGDOM.
2. Now we see there is a DEFINITE APPOINTED TIME TO GET THIS KINGDOM:
(Daniel 7:21-22) 21 “I kept on beholding when that very horn made war upon the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment itself was given in favor of the holy ones of the Supreme One, and the definite time arrived that the holy ones took possession of the kingdom itself.
And this is no joke or church error, this is the real and finality of Messianic rulership of earth:
(Daniel 7:27) 27 “‘And the kingdom and the rulership and the grandeur of the kingdoms under all the heavens were given to the people who are the holy ones of the Supreme One. Their kingdom is an indefinitely lasting kingdom, and all the rulerships will serve and obey even them.’
3. Heavenly Zion; So we easily understand this itty bitty number 144000 is the "little flock" of "holy ones" who are given Zion rulership:
(Hebrews 12:22-23) But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels, 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens.
(Revelation 14:1) And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand having his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads.
===
It is easy to understand once you get out of idol trinity worship, and come into the true God Jehovah by way of the true Jesus Christ, NOT the trinitarian counterfeits.
You will see only blackness worshiping the trinity of "gods".
This is an example of just how blind those things can make you, the "little flock" is a simple teaching, yet it confounds you like a trick question or mind-teaser, yet it is very simple when your eyes are opened by the truth.
144000??? LITTLE number, LITTLE "flock". Very simple.
Oh please start a new thread about the 144,000. We would not want this wonderful information getting lost in the fray.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#68 Apr 16, 2012
Mr_Know it all wrote:
Point,

This certain distortion of the end-time lies in your eror belief of steps to salvation for thoses who are not honored with being the 144,000.

It's not secret that the WTS believe in salvation by faith and works. It is for this reason why you MUST believe that there is a need for a 1,000 to get perfect IN Christ.

This organization inability to understand "righeousness by faith" is shocking.

God did not send His Son merely to deliver us from sin so that we could be declared righteous. he sent His Son in order to set us free from sin AND restore His image in us.This work includes sanctification...

What do you not believe in the promise as found in Phil. 1:6 He the Holy Spirit WILL complete the word that He had begun in us even til the day of Christ.

The need of 1,000 earthly years to be perfected in the image of Christ and the right to have one's name recorded in the book of life is absolutely nonsense.
But your SDA system has major contradictions and overly-simplified obvious "escapist" placebos. The bible continues to be the SDA's worst enemy as far as their "logic" goes.

Examples:

The SDA fail to comprehend spiritual (first) resurrection to immortal incorruptibility for the "little flock" in heaven and the resurrection of billions to physical human life on earth are TWO separate processes for TWO separate purposes: 1. Kingdom ruling class in heaven, and 2. earthly Kingdom subjects and beneficiaries for paradise earth restoration LOST BY ADAM (Gen1:27-28 via Rev21-22).

There is no need for the 144000 to take 1000 years to perfect, they are re-born into Christ's EXACT nature; Immortal by incorruptibility. This is required for Rev21 to be aided from heaven, "New Jerusalem" of the 144000 "bride" of Christ as the Kingdom.

The SDA fail to comprehend that what Adam lost, will be restored ON EARTH FOR HUMANS, not a simplistic mass exodus to heaven overlooking a mass condemnation of all the earthly resurrection as the SDA error teaches Satan roams earth dining on earthly resurrections.

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Humans are '6000 year imperfected' people currently in Adam, who must come into Last Adam, the perfect flesh of Jesus Christ, transformed into that state by blood atonement PROGRESSIVELY as in Rev22:1-3, healing, teaching, complete repentance and eventual PERFECT OBEDIENCE, BEFORE Satan comes from the abyss with the final sovereign challenge and temptation of potentially billions of perfect humans.

Declaring one forgiven in interim, is NOT the same as the actual human sinless perfection OBJECTIVE of the Messianic Kingdom. The purpose of human justification is ultimately over 1000 years time allowance for HUMAN ACTUAL SINLESS PERFECTION.

(Now we know that sounds like just too much work for the SDA, so they opt for the easy-out fantasy now, that never will come true.)

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These Admic sin removal concepts are simply not considered true at SDA schools and Christendom at large, and instead of preparing people for this reality, they make people complacent, egotistical and stagnant in fantasy which CANNOT affect true repentance for even basic salvation through GT and Armageddon.

SDA is an obvious spiritual deathtrap fantasy system of escape from hard work and reality of the millennium.

SDA is a sleeping pill that kills in the end spiritual coma it induces. No repentance, no salvation, no middle ground.

(Luke 24:47) on the basis of his name repentance FOR forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations.

(2 Peter 3:9-10) Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but DESIRES ALL TO >ATTAIN< to repentance. Yet Jehovah’s day will come as a thief...

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There are TWO REALMS: "New Heaven" AND "New Earth" for a very good reason the SDA ignore to suit their fantasy escape arts.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#69 Apr 16, 2012
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Oh please start a new thread about the 144,000. We would not want this wonderful information getting lost in the fray.
Yes we will have to boil this down to what the Messianic Kingdom's "Mission Statement" really is, not what the "sugar plum" clergy are conning people with.

There are a number of ways to explain what the Messianic Kingdom is, why it is, and what and where it rules over and from; It is earth and human specialized Kingdom of God to recover the Adamic losses - 100%- and to execute the criminal Satanic cabals permanently exterminating the core problem.

144000

24 Tribes?- 12 Tribes of Heaven and 12 Tribes of Earth Explained
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Sovereign "Power Grid" 144000 Under Jesus Christ
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

24 Tribes?- 12 Tribes of Heaven and 12 Tribes of Earth Explained
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Appendix A - Jews Broke Old Covenant; Proofs of Spiritual Israel
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

The Twelve Tribes of the Whole World
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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144000 Help Remove Death from Earthlings
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/kingd...

144000: Death Removal Process One Day at a Time
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/kingd...

Bread and Wine for Everyone?
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/kingd...

Is the Great Crowd in Heaven?
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/kingd...

Kingdom of Priests?
http://bibleresearchfiles.wordpress.com/kingd...

Heaven first (144000), earth last (all faithful humanity)
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