You havnt the brains to read a meter......pizza delivery ....yes<quoted text>No time for the ol' in-out, love. I've just come to read the meter!
#2846 Oct 22, 2009
#2847 Oct 22, 2009
Ho, ho, ho! Well, if it isn't fat stinking billy goat Billy Boy in poison! How art thou, thou globby bottle of cheap, stinking chip oil? Come and get one in the yarbles, if ya have any yarbles, you eunuch jelly thou!
Since: Feb 07
#2848 Oct 22, 2009
Good grief, you really ARE slow, aren't you?
You have corroborated everything I have said. You don't know how the money is spent. You blindly trust these men in Brooklyn who have set themselves up as God's representatives on earth, merely on THEIR say-so.
THEY have designated THEMSELVES as the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" and YOU just swallow it down and bleat your little platitudes.
No, I can't show where they've failed you. They don't disclose any information that would allow ANYONE to clearly see where they might have failed.
On the other hand, YOU can't show where they have done anything that you claim they have done, and for the same reason...they don't disclose anything.
I don't care if you do or don't "suspect" or "mistrust" them. You can do as you wish. MY only point is that all the bragging done by JWs about their organization while criticizing others is blatant hypocrisy. JWs DO NOT KNOW DIDDLY about how any monies are spent within their own organization. They drop money in the box, and just assume that it is being used properly....BUT THEY DON'T KNOW. And dimwits like you just don't care.
I'll bet that salesmen have a real field day with people like you, don't they?
#2849 Oct 22, 2009
Face it--you have failed in your mission!
You have nothing and no one.
You have no one you trust.
You have faith in no one.
You have no one who is loyal to you.
You have no one to whom you are loyal.
You have no brotherhood to love and protect you.
#2850 Oct 22, 2009
Shooting theories presented during third day of Tillman murder trial
By Neal Wagner (Contact)| Shelby County Reporter
Originally published 09:58 p.m., October 21, 2009
Updated 09:58 p.m., October 21, 2009
State and defense attorneys presented differing shooting scenarios Oct. 21 during the third day of a former Vincent pastors murder trial.
Defense attorney Erskine Mathis and Assistant District Attorney Roger Hepburn attempted to describe the circumstances leading up to the Oct. 26, 2005, shooting death of Janet Tillman. Timothy Tillman, the former pastor of the Revival Church in Vincent, faces murder charges related to her death.
During the Oct. 21 hearings, former Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences employee Heather Harrelson explained investigators found three shotguns in the Tillmans house on Carr Drive minutes after the shooting. A bolt-action shotgun and a pump shotgun were found in a hallway a few feet from Janet Tillmans body, and another pump-action shotgun was discovered under the victims body in the couples bedroom, Harrelson said.
Investigators also found a circular dent on a door frame in the bedroom, and later determined it was nearly identical to the shape of a shotgun muzzle, Harrelson said. Forensic scientists found no blood spatters or gunshot damage in the bedroom, she added.
Lawden Yates, the trials first defense-called witness, said, because Timothy Tillman was believed to have been holding the pump-action and bolt-action shotguns at the same time when his wife was shot, the bolt-action shotgun may have caused the other weapon to fire unexpectedly.
The shot is consistent with the pump gun being shot by the bolt lever on the bolt-action gun, Yates said.There is a possibility that the bolt could have gotten caught in the trigger guard of the pump-action gun and caused it to discharge.
The victims wound was about the same height as a person carrying a gun, assuming that person was standing upright, Yates added.The indent on the door frame was consistent with the bolt-action gun striking the door frame and transferring that motion to the trigger of the pump gun.
However, Hepburn accused Yates of formulating an opinion to fit a theory suggested by Mathis.
Mr. Yates, it looks like you had a theory suggested to you and you ran with it, Hepburn said to Yates, shortly after he pointed out Yates was paid by Mathis to testify.
Im not trying to make it anything other than what it was, Yates responded.
You can put the bolt through the trigger guard and make it pull the trigger like that on purpose, can you not? Hepburn asked.
Yes, its possible, Yates added.
Wednesdays hearings also included footage of Timothy Tillmans police interrogation while the suspect was incarcerated in a Florida jail, where he lived when he was arrested on the murder charges.
During the interrogation, Timothy Tillman said his marriage to Janet Tillman was damaged beyond repair, and admitted to being charged with a misdemeanor charge of soliciting a prostitute while he was working as a police officer in Minnesota before Janet Tillmans death.
Also during the footage, Timothy Tillman several times denied intentionally shooting Janet Tillman, claiming her death was an accident.
#2851 Oct 22, 2009
By GUY KOVNER
THE PRESS DEMOCRAT
Published: Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
Last Modified: Thursday, October 22, 2009 at 11:22 a.m.
Former Santa Rosa Catholic Bishop G. Patrick Ziemann died early Thursday at an Arizona monastery where he had lived since resigning from leadership of the North Coast diocese 10 years ago.
Ziemann, 68, who suffered from pancreatic cancer, passed away at 3:28 a.m., said Fred Allison, spokesman for the Diocese of Tucson.
An energetic and engaging church leader, Ziemann served as Santa Rosa's fourth bishop from 1992 to 1999, when he abruptly resigned after admitting his homosexual relationship with another priest.
The diocese subsequently disclosed that Ziemann had left it $16 million in debt. Ziemann went to live at Holy Trinity Monastery, a modest Benedictine facility near Tucson.
Friends said last month that Ziemann's cancer had spread to his liver and that he was prepared to die.
We've lost a very holy man who spent nine years in the desert atoning for his sins, said Joe Piasta, a Santa Rosa attorney who served as Ziemann's lawyer and was a close friend.I miss him already.
Bishop Daniel Walsh, who succeeded Ziemann in 2000, could not be immediately reached for comment.
Ziemann, the scion of a prominent Los Angeles family, was the first local bishop to deal with the sex abuse scandal that erupted in the Santa Rosa diocese in 1994.
He removed three priests accused of sexual misconduct and secretly paid more than $560,000 in church funds to an unknown number of victims of clergy abuse.
Ziemann retained his priesthood and bishop's title in self-imposed exile to Arizona. The Santa Rosa diocese said it no longer had a relationship with Ziemann and did not pay his salary.
Piasta and Monsignor Thomas Keys of Star of the Valley Church in Oakmont drove to the monastery two weeks ago to visit their ailing friend.
I had seven wonderful years in Santa Rosa, Ziemann told them, according to Piasta.I'm ready to go to my maker.
#2852 Oct 22, 2009
Misogynist? Homophobic? Weve got the church for you!
By Jamie L Manson
Created Oct 22, 2009
On Friday, Oct. 16 the most e-mailed article on The New York Times Web site was the story of Pat Bonds fight to receive financial support for the terminally ill son that she conceived with a Franciscan priest over 20 years ago.
Four days later, the eighth most e-mailed Times article told of the Popes new initiative to welcome larger numbers of Anglican priests and seminarians, regardless of marital status, into the Roman Catholic clergy.
The Pontiff is putting this plan into practice in an attempt to offer a spiritual home to those who have either left or are considering leaving the Anglican Communion because of their opposition to the ordination of women and openly-gay priests as well as the blessing of same-sex unions.
Ms. Bond, who was impregnated and abandoned by a Catholic priest, cannot get funding for her sons brain cancer treatments. The priest receives little disciplining from his superiors. She is told by the Franciscan order, who never encouraged the priest to leave the ministry, that they have already gone far beyond what the law would require, in their financial support. They also reminded her that, by speaking publicly, she is in jeopardy of paying a penalty because she is in violation of a confidentiality agreement that she signed years ago.
Married Anglican priests and seminarians are provided with their own sacred structure, called "personal ordinariates," to enhance their spiritual care and guidance. They earned this special privilege by being vociferously misogynist and homophobic.
A woman is punished by Catholic superiors for her relationship with a priest, while married Anglican priests who are anti-woman and anti-gay are welcomed more fully into the Catholic clerical fold.
#2853 Oct 22, 2009
This week the Catholic church seems to have reached another low point in its perennial war on sex. However, in this latest twist of events, one form of sexual activity has been legitimized: married sex between male Anglican priests and their spouses who have reached qualifying levels of misogyny and homophobia.
Ironically, it was Gene Robinson -- whose courageous assent to the bishops seat in the Episcopal church first elicited the Anglican firestorm and threat of schism over the ordination of out gays and lesbians -- who first showed me that the relationship between misogyny and homophobia runs deep. Several years ago I heard him offer a lecture at Union Theological Seminary in New York City. At one point in his talk, he addressed his sorrow at the lack of support that some gay men have for women in their own fight for fair and equal treatment in the church. He asked the audience,When will we gay men realize that the reason the church hates us is because they hated women first? The hatred of gay men is rooted in the original hatred of women and the feminine.
These new developments at the Vatican might be slightly more digestible if studies proved that the Catholic church is being led by a primarily heterosexual, celibate clergy. Unfortunately, they prove the contrary.
According to the Times article on Ms. Bond,A landmark study in 1990 by the scholar A. W. Richard Sipe, a former Benedictine, found that
>>>20 percent of Catholic priests were involved in continuing sexual relationships with women, and
>>>an additional 8 percent to 10 percent had occasional heterosexual relationships.
Fr. Donald Cozzens, an author, psychologist, and former Catholic seminary president, estimates in his book, The Changing Face of the Priesthood, that
>>>50 percent of Roman Catholic priests have a homosexual orientation.
He adds,Beyond these estimates, of course, are priests who remain confused about their orientation and men who have so successfully denied their orientation, that in spite of predominately same-sex erotic fantasies, they insist that they are heterosexual.
#2854 Oct 22, 2009
Given these statistics, one must wonder if these latest conflicts over sexuality are just further evidence of church authorities conflicts over their own sexual desires and activities. Is this latest move yet another desperate attempt to maintain a closed, closeted, clerical old boys network, where no man is threatened with the possibility of having to speak openly and honestly about sexuality, desire, and relationships of integrity?
Some church leaders might have us believe that the lesbian and gay issue is the only real sexuality crisis facing the church. But it is important to remember that this is but one petition in an increasingly long prayer list: contraception, abortion, pedophilia, sexual abuse, and perhaps the most egregiously overlooked sexual issue, the mistreatment and exclusion of women.
The intensity of alarm over same-sex relations and their polarizing, if not schismatic, power may be evidence that the root cause of all of this concern is deeper than homosexuality. The cause of this controversy may very well be rooted in the churchs struggle with sexuality itself -- a struggle that, allegorically at least, was born in the Genesis narrative of Adam and Eve.
While many have interpreted the Adam and Eve story as a chronicle of birth, life and death, a closer reading also reveals that it is an account of the beginning of our shame towards our sexuality. Before taking the fruit, the man and the woman are said to be naked and unashamed. After realizing their nakedness, they hide from God, mistakenly convinced that God, too, will be embarrassed by their exposed genitals. When God realizes that they are hiding because they are ashamed of their nakedness, God is angry and, with a heavy heart, makes Adam and Eve clothes and expels them from the garden. Shame was not the response that God wanted us to have to our nakedness and our sexuality.
In its treatment of Pat Bond and its overtures to conservative Anglican priests, the church has exacerbated the culture of shame that has long compelled Catholics to hide from their sexualities. Unfortunately for misogynist and homophobic church authorities,
>>>most Western Catholic and mainline Protestants have come to understand another great biblical truth: by their fruits you shall know them.
In its latest moves, the church has only further alienated itself from those who are seeking healthy, life-giving, and honest expressions of their sexuality rather than the harmful, secretive affairs that estrange us from ourselves, from one another, and from God. The new generations of Catholics will not have inherited the churchs reign of sexual guilt that marked those who grew up Catholic 40 or more years ago. Until the church authorities begin to deal with our human, God-given sexuality in ways that propel us towards growth and greater wholeness, the relevance of the Vaticans teaching authority will only continue to dwindle within the generations to come.
#2855 Oct 22, 2009
EE I am very hurt by your constant attacks on my church! Do you really hate me after I put up a 5ft decoration of you on my front door? I love you anyway so my homage to you will stand(besides the kids get a kick out of it)! Well off to buy my daughter some rubber boots tomorrow is pumpkin patch day!!!!
Peace out homegirl!!!!
#2856 Oct 22, 2009
I am very sorry that this is your church. I'm sure you didn't choose it; you were just born into it. But you don't have to stay in it, and you certainly don't have to let them have your children.
I'm sure you had no idea of the extent of the corruption in your church before I started posting these news accounts (news accounts, not attacks by me).
Here is what the Bible says about your church:
1 Then one of the seven angels who were holding the seven bowls came and said to me, "Come here. I will show you the judgment on the great harlot 2 who lives near the many waters.
3 The kings of the earth have had intercourse with her, and the inhabitants of the earth became drunk on the wine of her harlotry."
Then he carried me away in spirit to a deserted place where I saw a woman seated on a scarlet beast 4 that was covered with blasphemous names, with seven heads and ten horns.
The woman was wearing purple and scarlet and adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She held in her hand a gold cup that was filled with the abominable and sordid deeds of her harlotry.
On her forehead was written a name, which is a mystery, "Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and of the abominations of the earth."
5 I saw that the woman was drunk on the blood of the holy ones and on the blood of the witnesses to Jesus. 6 When I saw her I was greatly amazed.
Then he said to me, "The waters that you saw where the harlot lives represent large numbers of peoples, nations, and tongues.
The woman whom you saw represents the great city that has sovereignty over the kings of the earth."
1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth became illumined by his splendor.
2 He cried out in a mighty voice: "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great. She has become a haunt for demons. She is a cage for every unclean spirit, a cage for every unclean bird,(a cage for every unclean) and disgusting (beast).
For all the nations have drunk 3 the wine of her licentious passion. The kings of the earth had intercourse with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her drive for luxury."
Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Depart from her, 4 my people, so as not to take part in her sins and receive a share in her plagues,
for her sins are piled up to the sky, and God remembers her crimes.
These scriptures are from the Catholic New American Bible. They are God speaking to you and warning you to get out.
Since: Feb 07
#2857 Oct 22, 2009
What "mission" is this that you refer to? And, as usual, you are wrong about all the rest. Additionally, you can't support your claims about your "beloved organization." Does it make you feel better to indulge yourself in fantasies such as those listed above? Does it make you feel special?
#2858 Oct 22, 2009
she seems to get more demented as the days go by. her Hobby's subject is permeating her brain.. And the only sex is in her fantasys. takes a sick person to live her life through the defilment of others.
#2859 Oct 22, 2009
Does it make you get on your green horse?
#2860 Oct 22, 2009
#2861 Oct 22, 2009
Vatican proposal not likely to draw many Oregon converts
By Bill Graves, The Oregonian
October 22, 2009, 5:33PM
Pope Benedict XVI is reaching out to socially conservative Anglicans uncomfortable with changes in the Anglican and Episcopal churches, including the ordination of women and gay clergy. The Episcopal Church, the American branch of the United Kingdom's Anglican Church, has been especially divided by the 2003 election of the Rev. Gene Robinson, who is openly gay, as bishop of the New Hampshire diocese.
Squires, 31, said his 40-member congregation will be discussing the Vatican's stunning decision over the next month.
"This is something we will talk about and pray about," he said.
... They don't expect many Oregon Episcopalians or Anglicans will want to convert to Catholicism.
But Squires's church is an exception. It is part of the Anglican Church in America, and its leaders have expressed support for Catholic doctrine and interest in converting.
The Parish of St. Mark, a traditional Anglican church in Northwest Portland, left the Anglican Church of America last spring and joined the Anglican Province of Christ the King because it is not ready to accept Catholic doctrine, said the Rev. Mark Lillegard.
"I don't see anyone in my congregation seeing this as opening any more doors," he said.
Stuart Richardson, 67, a Portland stockbroker and one of St. Mark's 130 members, left the Episcopal Church two years ago because he was "disaffected by the lack of reverence in the liturgy." ...
"We want to be Anglicans," he said. "We don't want to be Roman Catholic."
Colleen Scherer, 68, of Scappoose, was raised Catholic and tried going back but couldn't accept the pope as infallible. Then she found St. Mark.
"I knew that is where I belong," she said.
The Rev. Sanford Hampton, assisting bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Oregon, which has about 25,000 members in 74 congregations, said he doesn't expect to see many Episcopalians flocking to the Catholic Church.
He said there are probably more Catholics joining the Episcopal Church than the reverse. He was disappointed, he added, by the Catholic Church's latest gesture to woo disaffected Anglicans.
"We have tried over the years to strengthen our relations with the Roman Catholic Church," he said. "... I can't see this as being helpful for that."
... the Rev. Slider Steuernol, administrator of St. Agatha Catholic Parish in Southeast Portland, said he welcomed the news.
... The Anglican Church emerged in 1534, when King Henry VIII split with Rome after he was refused a marriage annulment.
Steuernol, formerly a Presbyterian priest, said he converted to Catholicism 15 years ago for spiritual reasons. Though married, he was allowed to become a Catholic priest though a door the Vatican opened in 1980 to Episcopal priests after the Episcopal church started ordaining women priests. The Rev. William Levada, archbishop of the Archdiocese of Portland from 1986 to 1995, helped him become a priest
Now Levada is making it even easier for Anglican priests to join the Catholic Church. He is now Cardinal Levada , the Vatican's chief doctrinal official. It was Levada who announced this week the church would create a new structure units of the faithful called ordinariates that will allow entire Anglican congregations and groups of priests to join the Catholic Church.
Liberals probably will see an "opportunistic" motivation in the Vatican's move, Cameron said, but conservative Catholics will see it as long overdue.
"I don't know that it is going to win the Catholic Church any new friends," he said. "The people who are affected are people who are friends already."
#2862 Oct 22, 2009
Burnsville police interview more kids in
Scouts molestation case
Worried parents have contacted Burnsville
police to report four more possible victims
of the former church volunteer and
scoutmaster who faces multiple charges.
By JOY POWELL, Star Tribune
Last update: October 22, 2009 - 9:26 PM
Burnsville police were setting up interviews Thursday
with four more possible victims of scoutmaster Peter
Stibal II, who remains in the Dakota County jail on $1
million bail after allegedly sexually molesting three
scouts under his supervision.
Police Sgt. Jef Behnken said Thursday that other
concerned parents have now called police, saying they
fear Stibal assaulted their boys after getting to know
them through scouting or through his job with a school
Stibal, 44, started working as a bus driver for First
Student, the private company contracted to transport
students in School District 191, in May 2007. That
October, he switched to a desk job but also began filling
in as a substitute driver or bus aide for students with
special needs, officials said.
"I haven't had the opportunity to interview the children
yet, and that will be coming up shortly here," Behnken
said. "I have had people calling from the scouts and
several parents calling from the [First Student] special
Randy Clegg, superintendent of the Burnsville-Eagan-
Savage School District, sent a letter Wednesday to
parents of kids who have used special transportation
services. It told of the charges against Stibal and listed
phone numbers for Burnsville police and county
The charges filed Wednesday in Dakota County District
Court include two counts of first-degree criminal sexual
conduct and four counts of second-degree criminal
sexual conduct between 2002 and 2008. Each incident
involved a scout under 16 who was alone with Stibal at
Police also want to know if Stibal molested kids while
volunteering with youth activities at Mary, Mother of
the Church in Burnsville. His activities included
chaperoning two mission trips to Mexico. Church
officials also put out a letter to parents in the parish,
listing Behnken as a police contact for parents.
Church officials told Behnken that as a volunteer, Stibal
never had one-on-one contact with youths.
Still, Behnken said, he hopes parents in the parish will
talk with their children and notify him if they learn of
Stibal volunteered for the past nine years as assistant
scoutmaster and scoutmaster of Troop 650, based in
Burnsville. He was removed from his post last week.
The charges say Stibal molested boys at his cabin near
Paynesville, at his Burnsville home, at an Eagan movie
theater, at a drive-in theater in Cottage Grove, and at
scout camps in Stearns and Hubbard counties.
#2863 Oct 22, 2009
Jazzy All Saints Day celebration
Thursday, October 22, 2009
HAMILTON St. Thomas Episcopal Church will celebrate All Saints Day on Sunday, Nov. 1 at 10 a.m. at the church, 12 1/2 Madison St., near the Colgate Inn.
The celebration will include St. Thomas annual Jazz Eucharist.
#2864 Oct 22, 2009
$3M awarded in suit against alleged Alamo enforcer
Posted: Oct 22, 2009 6:47 PM CDT Updated: Oct 22, 2009 9:47 PM CDT
By JON GAMBRELL
Associated Press Writer
LITTLE ROCK, Ark.(AP)- A fugitive accused of beating two teenagers on evangelist Tony Alamo's orders must pay $3 million in restitution, a federal judge ruled Thursday.
U.S. District Judge Harry F. Barnes awarded $1.5 million each to Spencer Ondrisek and Seth Calagna, who were both raised in Alamo's church in Fouke in southwestern Arkansas. The teens accused Alamo's alleged enforcer, John Kolbek, of battery, false imprisonment, outrage and conspiracy.
Authorities haven't been able to locate Kolbek since the lawsuit's filing last year. He disappeared after FBI agents and Arkansas State Police raided Alamo's Fouke compound more than a year ago looking for evidence the evangelist kept underage girls as "wives" that he sexually abused.
No phone number is listed for Kolbek, who's wanted on a felony battery warrant for one of the teen's beatings. No lawyers have appeared in court on Kolbek's behalf.
W. David Carter, the lawyer for Ondrisek and Calagna, said they can collect on any of a number of properties listed in Kolbek's name across the country. Testimony at Alamo's recent child-sex trial showed the evangelist ordered his trusted followers to put church property in their names to avoid the Internal Revenue Service.
Now, that might be the church's ultimate undoing as Alamo awaits sentencing next month in his federal trial.
"That's part of the purpose: to dismantle the enterprise that caused so much suffering," Carter told The Associated Press after Thursday's court hearing.
Ondrisek testified Thursday, and Calagna did not attend but offered a four-page statement. They described a twisted world where trivial infractions led to beatings, punitive fasts and threats of damnation from Alamo.
Calagna said Alamo and Kolbek "essentially robbed me of the first 18 years of my life."
"They were teaching me that thinking for myself was 'disobedient' and that disobedience results in beatings," Calagna said. "I came to believe that the beatings would purge me of evil and spare me from burning in hell."
Barnes awarded each teen $500,000 in compensatory damages and $1 million in punitive damages.
The teens also have sued Alamo, and he's to answer to the allegations during a July 2010 jury trial.
Alamo, 75, will be sentenced Nov. 13 in a separate case for taking girls across state lines for sex. He remains in jail after being convicted on 10 counts in federal court in July.
He faces up to 175 years in prison and as much as $250,000 in fines on each count.
#2865 Oct 22, 2009
Hi Yuni .See you and the Gnome are busy.
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