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#101 Nov 12, 2012
Jesus Loves You.

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#102 Nov 12, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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If anyone wants to arrest Christians, they should look for those who worship and obey and pray to the same God Jesus worshipped and obeyed and prayed to.
They should look for those who make God's name known, as Jesus did.
They should look for those who are completely united worldwide in a bond of love and unity.
They should look for those who are no part of the world, as Jesus was and as he commanded his followers to be.
They should look for those who are all called brothers, no one with a special title like Reverend of Father or Pastor.
They should look for those who do not tolerate divorce and remarriage except on account of fornication, as Jesus commanded.
They should look for those who have laid down their swords and do not learn war, as Jesus commanded.
They should look for people who are preaching the good news about God's kingdom, as Jesus preached and commanded his followers to do.
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. Where do you fit in this list???
Do YOU.. love your fellowman??

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

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LET GO AND LET GOD

#103 Nov 12, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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. Where do you fit in this list???
Do YOU.. love your fellowman??
Are these in the Moo Crew REALLY "footstep followers" of the Christ they so often proclaim to pattern themselves after?

What behaviors of the average GB followers we see here, are CLEARLY LACKING.....that the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and all other angelic heavenly onlookers.....can observe when looking down on these phony JWs?

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#104 Nov 12, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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Are these in the Moo Crew REALLY "footstep followers" of the Christ they so often proclaim to pattern themselves after?
What behaviors of the average GB followers we see here, are CLEARLY LACKING.....that the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit and all other angelic heavenly onlookers.....can observe when looking down on these phony JWs?
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. Some how ..their so called faith..proves false.. It's a major part of believing in GOD.. is to believe that he is there ..24/7.. there fore the scripture..( in all you do..do so ..so as to Glorify GOD..) needs to be printed up and stuck on the fridge door.. Until it becomes a intrical part of their life style.

“Surprised By Love”

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#105 Nov 12, 2012
Jesus said in John 13:35. "By this all people will know you are my desciples, if you have love for one another ". He did say "if you use the name Jehovah" he did not say "if you do the preaching work ". Love is what shows we are Christs desciples. The Watchtower pretends that this love is shown in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, but in my thirty years of attending, Idid not see much of it.

My huusband and I are visiting his parents so we went to church with them. I saw so much love in this small congregation (United Church of Christ). The services were very warm and loving. All were invited to raise their hands and talk about any one they knew who was sick or having problems, whether theuy belonged to that church or not. They was joyful singing, we we warmly greeted by many. The sermon was brief, relevant and interesting. Little ones were given a breif lesson and taken to the nursery, none were beaten for making a noise.

If I had to judge this church against any JW Congo I ever went to, I would say this church showed far more love. The JWs single minded devotion to the preaching work means that they do not accomplish what Jesus said was the most important thing, showing love to one another. It is no wonder most JW kids leave, there was no love shown, just judgement.

“I luv Jesus ”

Since: Oct 12

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#106 Nov 12, 2012
if that tomorrow comes tomorrow, i bet everyone will fear the white throne judgement.

the book of life

every careless words spoken.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#107 Nov 12, 2012
much happier now wrote:
Jesus said in John 13:35. "By this all people will know you are my desciples, if you have love for one another ". He did say "if you use the name Jehovah" he did not say "if you do the preaching work ". Love is what shows we are Christs desciples. The Watchtower pretends that this love is shown in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, but in my thirty years of attending, Idid not see much of it.
My huusband and I are visiting his parents so we went to church with them. I saw so much love in this small congregation (United Church of Christ). The services were very warm and loving. All were invited to raise their hands and talk about any one they knew who was sick or having problems, whether theuy belonged to that church or not. They was joyful singing, we we warmly greeted by many. The sermon was brief, relevant and interesting. Little ones were given a breif lesson and taken to the nursery, none were beaten for making a noise.
If I had to judge this church against any JW Congo I ever went to, I would say this church showed far more love. The JWs single minded devotion to the preaching work means that they do not accomplish what Jesus said was the most important thing, showing love to one another. It is no wonder most JW kids leave, there was no love shown, just judgement.
I had a similar experience about four years after leaving the WTS and it certainly blew away all the "evil bugaboos" that the WTS likes to say are done and taught in today's churches. It was the catalyst I needed to open the eyes of my heart and explore other viable paths in determining my spirituality. I will always be grateful for that stepping stone leading me to the satisfying and wonderful journey I am now on.

“Surprised By Love”

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#108 Nov 12, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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I had a similar experience about four years after leaving the WTS and it certainly blew away all the "evil bugaboos" that the WTS likes to say are done and taught in today's churches. It was the catalyst I needed to open the eyes of my heart and explore other viable paths in determining my spirituality. I will always be grateful for that stepping stone leading me to the satisfying and wonderful journey I am now on.
I am so glad that you have been able to heal from your Jehovah's Witness experience and continue on your spiritual path. It has been a longer journey for me. I did not loose my faith in God (although I came close), but I was not inclined to trust another organized religion, once burned, twice shy and all that. I am coming around to the idea though. I very much enjoyed the visit to the UCC. I think my husband is open to the idea, as he was raised in this church. I still have some issues with the hell fire doctrine. I just cannot believe a loving God could torture a person for eternity, no matter what they may have done. So I don't know how that could be resolved.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

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#109 Nov 12, 2012
much happier now wrote:
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I am so glad that you have been able to heal from your Jehovah's Witness experience and continue on your spiritual path. It has been a longer journey for me. I did not loose my faith in God (although I came close), but I was not inclined to trust another organized religion, once burned, twice shy and all that. I am coming around to the idea though. I very much enjoyed the visit to the UCC. I think my husband is open to the idea, as he was raised in this church. I still have some issues with the hell fire doctrine. I just cannot believe a loving God could torture a person for eternity, no matter what they may have done. So I don't know how that could be resolved.
I am not familiar with the beliefs of that particular church.....but perhaps they don't teach a literal hellfire as eternal punishment. I was pleasantly surprised when I learned that the Native teachings are that when one following this path dies....that he/she gets only what he/she is deserving of. Like "we" all are cared for under the Creator's wing....but each one is given according to their intentions and behavior.

Those who were primarily mean-spirited and unloving would receive the barest minimum and those who were pure-hearted and loving would receive grander and greater blessings for eternity. NO hellfire or anything of the kind...and I rather liked this approach.

I KNOW evil eyes are lurking and ready to pounce on whatever I say....but my life, my outlook and my spirituality has grown in so many ways since exiting the WTS and my perception of God is now totally different. It's all good and I could not be more spiritually content and satisfied with what I have learned. I truly feel sorry for those still trapped by the WTS thinking.

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#110 Nov 13, 2012
much happier now wrote:
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I am so glad that you have been able to heal from your Jehovah's Witness experience and continue on your spiritual path. It has been a longer journey for me. I did not loose my faith in God (although I came close), but I was not inclined to trust another organized religion, once burned, twice shy and all that. I am coming around to the idea though. I very much enjoyed the visit to the UCC. I think my husband is open to the idea, as he was raised in this church. I still have some issues with the hell fire doctrine. I just cannot believe a loving God could torture a person for eternity, no matter what they may have done. So I don't know how that could be resolved.
I have a hard time with the hell fire teachings as well. I know my Pastor doesn't totally believe in hell fire, but says it is a eternal separation from God and that is enough torture as it is. But one thing he does say that made a lot of sense to me was this, it is not God doing this to us, WE are doing it to ourselves by not living according to his will. We never gave ourselves to him and he never knew us.

“John 4:23,24”

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#111 Nov 13, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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I have a hard time with the hell fire teachings as well. I know my Pastor doesn't totally believe in hell fire, but says it is a eternal separation from God and that is enough torture as it is. But one thing he does say that made a lot of sense to me was this, it is not God doing this to us, WE are doing it to ourselves by not living according to his will. We never gave ourselves to him and he never knew us.
That is what any abuser says to his victim. "You are making me do this."

Jehovah is not an abuser or torturer. Such an idea has never come into his heart, and those who say he is are his enemies and are slandering him in imitation of his greatest enemy, Satan.

(Jeremiah 7:30-31) 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of To&#8242;pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin&#8242;nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’

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#112 Nov 13, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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That is what any abuser says to his victim. "You are making me do this."
Jehovah is not an abuser or torturer. Such an idea has never come into his heart, and those who say he is are his enemies and are slandering him in imitation of his greatest enemy, Satan.
(Jeremiah 7:30-31) 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of To&#8242;pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin&#8242;nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’
Jesus Loves You

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#113 Nov 13, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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I am not familiar with the beliefs of that particular church.....but perhaps they don't teach a literal hellfire as eternal punishment. I was pleasantly surprised when I learned that the Native teachings are that when one following this path dies....that he/she gets only what he/she is deserving of. Like "we" all are cared for under the Creator's wing....but each one is given according to their intentions and behavior.
Those who were primarily mean-spirited and unloving would receive the barest minimum and those who were pure-hearted and loving would receive grander and greater blessings for eternity. NO hellfire or anything of the kind...and I rather liked this approach.
I KNOW evil eyes are lurking and ready to pounce on whatever I say....but my life, my outlook and my spirituality has grown in so many ways since exiting the WTS and my perception of God is now totally different. It's all good and I could not be more spiritually content and satisfied with what I have learned. I truly feel sorry for those still trapped by the WTS thinking.
I had a long conversation with my MIL about their beliefs. They do not believe in hell fire or the Trinity. I was happy to hear that, as I cannot believe in those things. What she said about it is very similar to what you describe. It is not really about doctrine at all, its more about the love and forgiveness of Christ, so different from the JWs. I have been feeling the need to belong to a faith based community, and I will definitely check out the local church here.

I know what you mean about evil eyes, but I don't care, these people will always be looking for something to criticise. They are the mean spirited and unloving you describe who will receive the barest minimum. I am reading a book called "A New Way Of Being Human, 7 spiritual pathways to becoming fully alive". It was just what I needed right now. I have had several people close to me that are going through life changing (or ending) events. So my visit to the church and this book were just what I needed right now. I too feel I have grown spiritually since leaving. I feel that when I was a JW, I just had the scraps of spiritual food, but now I am at a banquet.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#114 Nov 13, 2012
Apple_ wrote:
if that tomorrow comes tomorrow, i bet everyone will fear the white throne judgement.
the book of life
every careless words spoken.
If the world ends tomorrow it will just end.
Peple will not know the difference. But it isn't going to happen quitethat way.
Things may change suddenly but I doubt the earth is going anywhere.
I personally don;t care how it happens. I can't change it.
Noone can.
You just have to do what you feel is correct in God';s eyes and let the judgment happen when it is supposed to happen and go down the way Jesus wants it.

Some are going to be very surprised.

But not one person is going to hold anyones hand during that time of standing before the judgment seat.
We have to worry about ourselves and live according to what the Bible tells us is expected.
If we don;t, that is definatly going to be a personal problem.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#115 Nov 13, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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That is what any abuser says to his victim. "You are making me do this."
Jehovah is not an abuser or torturer. Such an idea has never come into his heart, and those who say he is are his enemies and are slandering him in imitation of his greatest enemy, Satan.
(Jeremiah 7:30-31) 30 ‘For the sons of Judah have done what is bad in my eyes,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.‘They have set their disgusting things in the house upon which my name has been called, in order to defile it. 31 And they have built the high places of To&#8242;pheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hin&#8242;nom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.’
Where in that post do you see her saying anything about anyone "making me do this?"
I think you are losing your mind.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#116 Nov 13, 2012
Apple_ wrote:
if that tomorrow comes tomorrow, i bet everyone will fear the white throne judgement.
the book of life
every careless words spoken.
Not if they have a personal relationship with God and his Son.
Nowhere does it say in the bible that either of them have taken one word back of what they have spoken.
And Jesus is pretty clear in the Greek Scriptures about how forgivness is achieved.

“I m no jws”

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#117 Nov 13, 2012
another 38 days to doom days prophesized.

we have to keep clear of sins in case it's too late to repent.

if it doesn't happen, it's mere luck.

bible words can't be faked after all.

rebutting,quarrelling,hatred,p ride,greed,worldly desires are so uncontrollable.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

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#118 Nov 13, 2012
much happier now wrote:
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I had a long conversation with my MIL about their beliefs. They do not believe in hell fire or the Trinity. I was happy to hear that, as I cannot believe in those things. What she said about it is very similar to what you describe. It is not really about doctrine at all, its more about the love and forgiveness of Christ, so different from the JWs. I have been feeling the need to belong to a faith based community, and I will definitely check out the local church here.
I know what you mean about evil eyes, but I don't care, these people will always be looking for something to criticise. They are the mean spirited and unloving you describe who will receive the barest minimum. I am reading a book called "A New Way Of Being Human, 7 spiritual pathways to becoming fully alive". It was just what I needed right now. I have had several people close to me that are going through life changing (or ending) events. So my visit to the church and this book were just what I needed right now. I too feel I have grown spiritually since leaving. I feel that when I was a JW, I just had the scraps of spiritual food, but now I am at a banquet.
I was happy (for you) that you had a good talk with your MIL and happy too, that some things have been resolved for you. Your book title is interesting....I may have to see if they have it at my local library before snow sets in. I have found that our Creator knows our heart and knows what we are "ready" to learn....and that this series of events....the church, the chat with your MIL, the book you are reading and your open and receptive frame of mind...are all taking part in shaping your personal spiritual path.

It is all quite wonderful as you walk this path....and no one can walk it FOR you. It is all between you and the Creator of all living things....with a nudge here and there from the Son and the Holy Spirit!

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#119 Nov 14, 2012
Pam wrote:
<quoted text>Where in that post do you see her saying anything about anyone "making me do this?"
I think you are losing your mind.
They sure have a way of twisting words don't they?:)

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#120 Nov 14, 2012
merlioncity wrote:
another 38 days to doom days prophesized.
we have to keep clear of sins in case it's too late to repent.
if it doesn't happen, it's mere luck.
Ah yes. Luck will save us.

The space ships might not make here in time, after all!

(coocoo)

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