Is the End really near?
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Since: Aug 10

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#1 Oct 20, 2012
For years growing up associating with Jehovah's Witnesses, I was always sure the end was imminent. But as their doctrines changed from the 1914 linkage to the overlapping generations, it caused me to pause.

But even larger than the JWs, does any religion really think the end is nigh? I agree in part with a comment CIA Free made in another forum where as humans, we spend our lives looking for the end and yet, our own lives are continuing to pass us by.

Does it make sense to keep looking earnestly for the end in our lifetime, especially given the fact that so many other prior generations thought "their" time was really the time of the end?

Just wondering what everyone else thinks? I know there is the viewpoint that you should always be in expectation of it but if its lets say 100 years or 1000 years from now, is it a good use of your time/energy to look for signs every day in the news? Again, this is not limited to JWs as I listen to christian radio and so many others are doing the same (e.g. www.hischannel.com ).

Thanks!

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#2 Oct 20, 2012
When I was approached by JW "sisters" at my door in the autumn of 1969, the very first thing (after speaking about a paradise earth) that they focused my attention on....was that the "end of this system" was imminent....and the "bible" indicated that this would take place in the autumn of 1975.

As I accepted their home indoctrination program, went to meetings and assemblies....the 1975 date was mentioned....and OFTEN. I was so frightened that my self and my family would not be eligible (in time) to meet this deadline that everyone (at the KH) all seemed to agree on!

My youngest daughter was born that same year (1969) and I had obtained an Awake mag that told me that she would never grow old in this system of things....so I was eager to be baptized to at least "save" my children from the hideous destruction depicted in the WTS books.

After hearing decades of "on the threshold of" and "soon" and "it's just around the corner" tossed at me while I thought of little else (being a JW and being spoonfed a diet of WTS ramblings)....this same daughter not only reached went through high school, into adulthood, married,became a mother, and a grandmother....and yes....this "system" has gotten worse....but this WAS foretold in the bible....with no DATE inserted in the margins.

Do I live (and conduct my life) in breathless anticipation of the latest WTS drivel? No....I am aware that things are in a steady downhill slide and that the Creator of the universe has a "handle" on things and will restore this poor battered earth when HE is ready to do so.

I am not stockpiling groceries nor do I own a hazmat suit or gas mask, etc. I trust in HIM to see me...and mine....through anything that comes about.

I do have some info concerning prophecy that I will look up and share on this thread later on this evening. I have a cake just out of the oven needing to be frosted and the rest of supper to finish preparing.

BBL~
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#3 Oct 20, 2012
The biblical definition of 'the end' had to do with the end of the old covenant age. It came to an end when the Jewish nation was destroyed in 70AD. That is the end the New Testament speaks about. It doesn't have anything to do with the end of the world.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#4 Oct 20, 2012
Here is the info that I promised earlier. I hope others will find the value in it:

Many, many years ago, the Hopi nation prophesied (among other things) that this land will be crossed by snakes of iron.....meaning that railroad tracks would be found on their land.

The Hopi also foretold that "You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it.” Think of the oilspill disaster.

" You will see many who will wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.".....there has been a resurgence of ones clamoring for a better and safer earth, an embracing of the Native ways, a walking away from government "solutions" and broken promises....in order to live upon, and to leave something better to the future generations.

The Hopi teach that only a very few prophesies are left to be fulfilled and they they/we are indeed, in the last days before the purification of thiis planet takes place.

Mohawk Prophecy of the Seventh Generation

According to the prophecy of the Seventh Generation, seven generations after contact with the Europeans the Onkwehonwe (First Nations people) would see the day when the elm trees would die.

The prophecy said that strange animals would be born deformed and without the proper limbs.

According to the prophecy of the Seventh Generation the Onkwehonwe would see the time when the birds would fall from the sky.

The fish would die in the water.

Mankind would grow ashamed of the way that he had treated the Earth.

Huge stone monsters would tear open the face of the earth.

The rivers would burn.

The air would burn the eyes of man.

Finally, according to this prophecy, after seven generations of living in close contact with the Europeans, the Onkwehonwe would rise up and demand that their rights and stewardship over the Earth be respected and restored.

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Since: Aug 10

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#5 Oct 20, 2012
Wow Nedoba, so that last entry you have with the prophecies; definitely have seen instances of fish dying, birds dropping from the sky...

I also liked your first entry where you LIVED through the whole 1975 debacle. I mean to me, I too was back in 1979 when I first heard of the END and was scared to go to college but I did anyway. And through the years was always on the alert...

Its almost like a boy crying wolf where it lost its urgency to me..however, in the larger context, as you laid out.. I don't want to be complacent as we do see things getting steadily worse. I wonder when the the final fulfillment of the Seventh Generation will occur?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#6 Oct 20, 2012
The Disciples thought it was imminent in their day. However, all the signs Jesus gave are now "in play" in our time...so each day is bringing it closer. Many laughed at Noah for building the Ark. Do you think they were laughing when the rain came? It had never rained before, so they didn't bleive him. I don't.
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#7 Oct 20, 2012
Nomi wrote:
The Disciples thought it was imminent in their day. However, all the signs Jesus gave are now "in play" in our time...so each day is bringing it closer. Many laughed at Noah for building the Ark. Do you think they were laughing when the rain came? It had never rained before, so they didn't bleive him. I don't.
Do a little research on what happened in the 1st century. You will see that the signs Jesus spoke of were fulfilled in the day of the Apostles, leading up to His 2nd coming, just as He had promised.

Mat 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#8 Oct 20, 2012
Mat 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
This is referring to those whose hope is to reign with Christ in Heaven. When they die, they go directly to their Heavenly reward. They are changed in the "twinkling of an eye". They do not stay dead at all.
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#9 Oct 21, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Mat 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
This is referring to those whose hope is to reign with Christ in Heaven. When they die, they go directly to their Heavenly reward. They are changed in the "twinkling of an eye". They do not stay dead at all.
The language Jesus used cannot be any clearer. The people who were with Him, who heard Him speaking, of those people there were some who would not die and they would see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#10 Oct 21, 2012
only after satan is cast out of heaven and deceive the world.
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#11 Oct 21, 2012
apple wrote:
only after satan is cast out of heaven and deceive the world.
This happened in the 1st century.
Satan was cast out of Heaven in 30AD at the ascention of Jesus.

Since: Aug 10

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#12 Oct 21, 2012
I still believe a second fulfillment of jesus' words were meant for our time. Otherwise, how will this promised "New heavens and New Earth" spoken of in the bible come about?

Now whether that's 100 or 1000 years from now..not sure.
Millikinio

Monticello, NY

#13 Oct 21, 2012
The end of the Macys special sale is near. Shop now for great savings.

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#14 Oct 21, 2012
Millikinio wrote:
The end of the Macys special sale is near. Shop now for great savings.
LOL wonder if they will have END of ..days prices
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#15 Oct 21, 2012
Michael2010 wrote:
I still believe a second fulfillment of jesus' words were meant for our time. Otherwise, how will this promised "New heavens and New Earth" spoken of in the bible come about?
Now whether that's 100 or 1000 years from now..not sure.
The New Heavens and New Earth is not a cosomological event, but a covenantal event.

The old heaven and earth was fleshly Isreal, with their Temple and sacrificial system plus the old covenant Law and who were once God's people. Their heaven and earth was destroyed, or their whole world was, in 70AD. Notice Jesus' words:

Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

If heaven and earth hasn't already passed away, we are then still under the old covenant Law and not the new covenant.

Heb 8:13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Unknown

Mclaren Vale, Australia

#16 Oct 21, 2012
When nations were destroyed in the bible, they were typically pictured as cosmological events being destroyed. For example:

Isa 13:1 The oracle concerning Babylon which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, and the moon will not shed its light.

Examples are also found in Jeremiah and Joel.
Millikinio

Monticello, NY

#17 Oct 21, 2012
Kmarts is also having a sale entering the last days. Shop now before armeggedon.

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Since: Aug 09

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#18 Oct 21, 2012
Michael2010 wrote:
I still believe a second fulfillment of jesus' words were meant for our time. Otherwise, how will this promised "New heavens and New Earth" spoken of in the bible come about?
Now whether that's 100 or 1000 years from now..not sure.
The rate that the earth's basic needs and provisions are being depleted....and with the increased amount of pure hatred and indifference for the safety and well-being of humankind on the whole...I personally don't feel that we can go on in this way for even 100 years.

Since leaving the control and the forced conformity of "what the Society sez" in the WTS....and although THEY had stressed the "any moment now" WTS-think.....I now have found myself embracing the gentle wisdom of the First Americans who have "been around" far longer (centuries!) than the WTS but who also prophecy the coming of a cleansed and purified earth in which righteous ones will live in harmony with one another and the rest of the earth's inhabitants.

The Native wisdom offers no "hide in the bushes waiting to catch you doing something to displease him" God and love is the prominent theme of the Native code of ethics AND the Ten commandments. I find that my hope for living on this earth has been enhanced, enriched and solidified....through a softer and more agreeable approach. My life and my outlook have changed immensely since leaving all the WTS own don'ts, can'ts and better nots, presented and promoted as "what God says" .
Prime

Seattle, WA

#19 Oct 21, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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The rate that the earth's basic needs and provisions are being depleted....and with the increased amount of pure hatred and indifference for the safety and well-being of humankind on the whole...I personally don't feel that we can go on in this way for even 100 years.
Since leaving the control and the forced conformity of "what the Society sez" in the WTS....and although THEY had stressed the "any moment now" WTS-think.....I now have found myself embracing the gentle wisdom of the First Americans who have "been around" far longer (centuries!) than the WTS but who also prophecy the coming of a cleansed and purified earth in which righteous ones will live in harmony with one another and the rest of the earth's inhabitants.
The Native wisdom offers no "hide in the bushes waiting to catch you doing something to displease him" God and love is the prominent theme of the Native code of ethics AND the Ten commandments. I find that my hope for living on this earth has been enhanced, enriched and solidified....through a softer and more agreeable approach. My life and my outlook have changed immensely since leaving all the WTS own don'ts, can'ts and better nots, presented and promoted as "what God says" .
Yeah Nedoba since you think there wont be an armageddon and Jehovah wont cleanse this earth of wicked people and leave his loyal worshipers here, then it will probably all turn out soft and agreeable for you. NOT!!! You can't stop Jehovah from sanctifying his name by carrying out his original purpose just with your wishful feathery thinking. dream on.
Caligula

United States

#20 Oct 21, 2012
Prime wrote:
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Yeah Nedoba since you think there wont be an armageddon and Jehovah wont cleanse this earth of wicked people and leave his loyal worshipers here, then it will probably all turn out soft and agreeable for you. NOT!!! You can't stop Jehovah from sanctifying his name by carrying out his original purpose just with your wishful feathery thinking. dream on.
Yeah, ive heard he doesnt like deceivers either, so why are you pretending to be someone youre not?

Wicked much? Thats you, babe.:-)

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