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hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#41 Sep 28, 2012
Nomi wrote:
You lie, Aurora. Hey, you are really good at that.
You are one of the most venomous people I have ever come across.
Nomi, I have never lied.
Please stand behind your statement, and show indisputable proof of one instance.
My biggest supporter of this is the WBTS and Florida Native who both lied about an incident at my Kingdumb Hall.
Nomi, I point out that you are nothing but a hypocrite, and for that you call me vile, hateful names.
The truth obviously greatly upsets you.
Tough.
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#42 Oct 1, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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No matter what age someone is, they are not allowed to get baptized unless they are fully aware of what kind of a decision they are making. There are no 'back and forth' beliefs. Some understanding has been changed slightly, but the beliefs are all still Bible based, as they always will be.
Back and forth beliefs: Take Matthew 24 for example. If you'll look in Wt magazines, first it was literal, then symbolic, then literal. I really don't know what they believe now, but THAT is what I call back and forth. I've ALWAYS believed MT.24:29-31 (I think, I don't have my Bible in front of me) to be literal.
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#43 Oct 1, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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No matter what age someone is, they are not allowed to get baptized unless they are fully aware of what kind of a decision they are making. There are no 'back and forth' beliefs. Some understanding has been changed slightly, but the beliefs are all still Bible based, as they always will be.
And....did you grow up in the 70's? There were no 60 or 80 questions, only having to read "Then is Finished The Mystery of God" and the REVELATION book!! How much over the kids head do they want to get? There was no asking me if I understood what I was getting into. No guideance for young people back then when it came to baptism.

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#44 Oct 1, 2012
Snickerdoodle wrote:
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Back and forth beliefs: Take Matthew 24 for example. If you'll look in Wt magazines, first it was literal, then symbolic, then literal. I really don't know what they believe now, but THAT is what I call back and forth. I've ALWAYS believed MT.24:29-31 (I think, I don't have my Bible in front of me) to be literal.
prove it
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#45 Oct 2, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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prove it
I will be back tomorrow with proof, as I am at work now without my laptop that has all the proof recorded! Looking forward to showing you they can't make up their minds on how we believe certain scriptures.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#46 Oct 2, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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prove it
How's this for back and forth
Resurrection of the me of Sodom
1879...they will be resurrected
1952...they will not be resurrected
1965...they will be resurrected
1988...they will not be resurrected,
.
The 'Lord' in Romans 10;12-16
1903...Lord refers to Jesus
1940...Lord refers to Jehovah
1978...Lord refers to jESUS
1980...Lord refers to Jehovah
.
'Higher Powers' of Romans 13:1
1916...Higher powers refer to governments
1941...Higher powers refer to Jehovah God & Jesus Christ
1964...Higher powers refer to governments.
.
Separating 'sheep and goats' Matt 25:31-46
1919...will take place after the time of tribulation
1923...is taking place now, before the tribulation
1995...will take place after the tribulation.
.
There was also the flip flopping of worshipping Jesus and then not worshipping Jesus ...will have to look for that info.
.
It is obvious that the WTS doesn't know what the are talking about as it changes back and forth and that ends in confused doctrine..

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#47 Oct 2, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> How's this for back and forth
Resurrection of the me of Sodom
1879...they will be resurrected
1952...they will not be resurrected
1965...they will be resurrected
1988...they will not be resurrected,
.
The 'Lord' in Romans 10;12-16
1903...Lord refers to Jesus
1940...Lord refers to Jehovah
1978...Lord refers to jESUS
1980...Lord refers to Jehovah
.
'Higher Powers' of Romans 13:1
1916...Higher powers refer to governments
1941...Higher powers refer to Jehovah God & Jesus Christ
1964...Higher powers refer to governments.
.
Separating 'sheep and goats' Matt 25:31-46
1919...will take place after the time of tribulation
1923...is taking place now, before the tribulation
1995...will take place after the tribulation.
.
There was also the flip flopping of worshipping Jesus and then not worshipping Jesus ...will have to look for that info.
.
It is obvious that the WTS doesn't know what the are talking about as it changes back and forth and that ends in confused doctrine..
name the articles....full date, page, paragraph, so they can actually be verified.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#48 Oct 2, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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name the articles....full date, page, paragraph, so they can actually be verified.
1. The resurrection of the men of Sodom
...Zion's WT july 1879 p7
...WT 6/1/1952 p338
...WT8/1/1965 p479
...WT 6/1/1988 pp30-3.
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2.The 'Lord' in Romans 10:12-16
...Zion's WT 12/1/1903 p3282
...WT 7/1.1940 p200
...WT 5/1/1978 p12
...WT2/1/1980 p16
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3.Higher Powers of Romans 13;1
...WT 9/1/1916 p5952
...The Truth Shall Make You Free[1943 ed] p 312
...WT 6/15/1964 p 20
...WT 11/15/1950 441
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4.Separating 'sheep and goats' Matt 25:31-46
...WT 8/1/1919 p238
...JW Proclaimers of Gods Kingdom1993 pp163-164
...WT 10/15/1995 p 19,22-23.
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Look them up and then you will know how the WT flip flops doctrine because they never got anything from God.
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You have been lied to over and over, nicole, it is time to wake up and start to follow the God of scriptures instead of false teachers and false prophets of the WTS.

Since: Oct 10

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#49 Oct 2, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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name the articles....full date, page, paragraph, so they can actually be verified.
you obviously have not read anything of the history of JW, it is all in Russels and Rutherfords own publications, you should really look into it yourself, look up the publications they are on the net, or are you to affraid.

Truth should not worry about being examined.

1Thess 5:21

"It is important, then, that you "keep testing whether you are in the faith," as Paul declared. Keep checking to see whether the things you believe are in keeping with God's Word. But the question is, Are you willing to put your religion through such a test? There is nothing to fear, because if you have the right religion you can only be reassured by the examination. And if what you believe is not in keeping with the Bible, then you should welcome the truth, because it leads to light and life." Watchtower 1958 May 1 p.261 Is Your Religion the Right One?

Since: Mar 09

United States

#51 Oct 2, 2012
Bite your tongue, Twit...thats about all you do is lie. You are vicious and mean-spirited as anyone could ever be. SWhen it comes to you, I call you as I see you(in your hate-filled Posts).
hMMMMMM wrote:
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Nomi, I have never lied.
Please stand behind your statement, and show indisputable proof of one instance.
My biggest supporter of this is the WBTS and Florida Native who both lied about an incident at my Kingdumb Hall.
Nomi, I point out that you are nothing but a hypocrite, and for that you call me vile, hateful names.
The truth obviously greatly upsets you.
Tough.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#52 Oct 3, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Bite your tongue, Twit...thats about all you do is lie. You are vicious and mean-spirited as anyone could ever be. SWhen it comes to you, I call you as I see you(in your hate-filled Posts).
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Where is the proof?

Being "mean" and a liar are two different things.

She may be mean, I don't think so and to quote nomi, "just my opinion" but just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can call her a liar, unless of course, you have PROOF and show said PROOF.
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#53 Oct 3, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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prove it
Ok, Nicole, you asked for it. Here is just some.

W/1958 (Sept) under the title The Sun Will Be Darkened.
Jesus wrote of the time when the sun will be turned into darkness. And Jesus, in his great propecy regarding the end of this system of things, said that the "sun will be darkened and the moon would not give its light".(Mt.24:29
Do these prophecies refer to the literal sun being darkened, as in the case in the time of Moses & Jesus Christ? Yes, many devout religionists say.
SYMBOLIC USE OF THE SUN
But does it necessarily follow that when God's word states the "the sun will be darkend" the lieteral sun is referred to? Not at all. And especially not when we note the many ways in which the sun is a symbol. Thus Jehovah God is referred to as teh sun, and that most fittingly so, as he is the primal source of all light and energy. "Jehovah God is a sun and a shield".(Ps 84:11, James 1:17)

WT 1990 (April) Jesus' presence will be invisible. It will be a frightful time in human history, as Jesus says "The sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light". Yes, this will be the blackest period of mankind's existance. It will be as if the sun had been darkened during the daytime and as if the moon did not give its light by night.

Questions from Readers 1962
"Is the passage from Mt.24:29 to be taken literally or symbolically?"
The texts are to be understood primarily in a literal sense. Why so? Because of the compelling force of consistancy. This does not mean that a figurative construction of these prophecies is not possible, no, but such is a secondary or parallel application.

W 1975 (May1) Since 1914 it has taken place, just as foretold: "the sun would be darkened, and the moon would not give its light and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of eh heavens will be shaken." Starting with the outbreak of WWI, mankind has entered a gloomy period indeed. There was no light for the future from the sources to which man was accustomed to look.

W 2000 (Feb) MT 24:29,30 Here clestial phenomena of universal magnatude are described as affecting "alll the tribes of the earth." In other words, this prophecy relates to a catastrophe that will affect every one of us.

OK, I have more, and these quotes bring up more questions also as to how they (GB) use the same scripture in MT 24 to prove that Jesus came invisibly in 1914, but yet....it also relates to the tribulation and after. MORE QUESTIONS to be answered. See why I am kept totally confused????
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#54 Oct 4, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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name the articles....full date, page, paragraph, so they can actually be verified.
Well, Nicole? We have named articles, proved our point, and not another word from you....maybe you are busy looking up our "proof"! We don't make this stuff up.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#55 Oct 4, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Bite your tongue, Twit...thats about all you do is lie. You are vicious and mean-spirited as anyone could ever be. SWhen it comes to you, I call you as I see you(in your hate-filled Posts).
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As usual as a faux Jehovah's witness, you take the low road, and do not follow Jesus teachings, you just make false statements and call names.
You hate that I speak the truth, there are lots of weak women just like you at every Kingdumb Hall.
Gee, no wonder you have never held a job and have lived off worldly men and the government, you live off my earnings and you mock me. You take the easy way out, every time.
Of course, now you are not even old, yet live as if you are 30 years older than you are, and you are alone. You have nobody, not even your child. Because you couldn't be bothered to put the time and effort into being a good parent. Yup, the Jehovah's witness cult gave you an excuse for that too right? Had to put "jehovah" first instead of putting time, effort and love into parenting your son.
Like I said typical Jehovah's witness hypocrite.
You lie on here day and night, as if you living the way the WBTS requires is pure bliss, when you, yourself refused to do so, when it inconvenienced you.
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#56 Oct 4, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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Where is the proof?
Being "mean" and a liar are two different things.
She may be mean, I don't think so and to quote nomi, "just my opinion" but just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can call her a liar, unless of course, you have PROOF and show said PROOF.
Thanks mythbusters.
The only PROOF any of my haters have ever produced, is that the WBTS are liars, and that I am a truthful person.
Florida Native was so eager to stalk me, he called the "society" about my Kingdumb Hall burning down, where they outright lied to his face.
A poster found a news article proving the kingdumb hall was burned down, and the circumstances were very weird.
It was all hush hush, and the elder father of a very depressed teen, who told me she had horrible things done to her that she could not tell me, was moved away, the WBTS refused to press charges against her boyfriend who burned it down. We were not allowed to ask questions.
Do the math.
Florida Native had egg all over his face, proved that he follows men who lie to protect their interests, and he will still murder his children to appease these evil men.
I do not lie.
I have no reason to.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#57 Oct 6, 2012
She may be mean, I don't think so and to quote nomi, "just my opinion" but just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can call her a liar, unless of course, you have PROOF and show said PROOF.

If lying were a disease she would be highly contagious. She lies all the time. You must not read her vicious posts well, or not at all. She lies on JW's all the time. Me included. She knows nothing about me. BUT she spews her venom out for all to see.
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#58 Oct 6, 2012
Nomi wrote:
She may be mean, I don't think so and to quote nomi, "just my opinion" but just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can call her a liar, unless of course, you have PROOF and show said PROOF.
If lying were a disease she would be highly contagious. She lies all the time. You must not read her vicious posts well, or not at all. She lies on JW's all the time. Me included. She knows nothing about me. BUT she spews her venom out for all to see.
You lie Nomi, and you hate that I call you out on it.
You come on here and blow your hot air about how much you LOVED every aspect of growing UP JW, yet you rejected the governing demons and repeatedly dated and married "worldly" men, breaking several tenets of the jehovah's witness cult, you lie that you conform to and obey.
You cannot praise regulations you yourself refused to conform to.
Now, I just proved one of your lies.
I have never lied, and that is a fact.
You hate me, BECAUSE I speak the truth.
If you stand the heat, get out of the kitchen/
You will have to call me other names, since you have no other response.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#59 Oct 7, 2012
Nomi wrote:
She may be mean, I don't think so and to quote nomi, "just my opinion" but just because you don't like her, doesn't mean you can call her a liar, unless of course, you have PROOF and show said PROOF.
If lying were a disease she would be highly contagious. She lies all the time. You must not read her vicious posts well, or not at all. She lies on JW's all the time. Me included. She knows nothing about me. BUT she spews her venom out for all to see.
You judge all the time. And you are supposed to be "christian". You also embrace that cold hearted bitch dreamweaver as a sister.

Get over yourself.

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