MAMMON

United States

#21 Sep 25, 2012
Yep, its not falling away, its running away. When a child is baptized in and gets old enough to see the BS and decides that losing their friends and family is worth it, that's running away. Its someone saying screw you, screw them and even if they are right, screw living forever with those stupid, self centered, boring idiots. How that is considered falling away is beyond me. That's the first step in living your life.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#22 Sep 25, 2012
Nomi wrote:
AND frankly, its none of your business anyway, what I did or did not do.
You yourself posted that info.
noni

Maitland, Australia

#23 Sep 25, 2012
Christ suffered for you, leaving you a model for you to follow his steps closely.

Jesus was baptised about the age of 30.
MAMMON

United States

#24 Sep 25, 2012
Well since Jesus waited till 30 then why would JW parents and the congregation let children get baptized as young as 12? If a child wanted to move out or start driving vehicles at 12 would the parents let them? Hell no because they aren't mature enough yet. No one can sign a contract that early in life so why would the JWs let children make such a life changing decision other than to trap them in. I almost think there is a law suit for any kid that lost their parents over something so stupid.

Then again I actually glad it happened to me, that's just 7 million idiots I don't have to talk to anymore. My parents left me, chose a cult over me and now they have to pay for it by never seeing their grand kids. My brother that's still in won't have kids because he doesn't want them to go through the hardships of the end of this system of things.

They will be waiting a long time for the end. Maybe Ill bring my child to see them on their death beds so I can show them how not to be a parent.

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#25 Sep 25, 2012
Nomi wrote:
My opinion is its better to wait until one is old enough to appreciate the seriousness of that step. What I have seen thru the years is, that when one is Baptized so young, they too often are ones that fall away later. I have seen it fairly often thru the years. My Father would not allow his children to be Baptized too young. I am glad that he felt that way. I was 20 or 21 yrs old when I was.
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I appreciate that the JW's let someone make their own choice as to when, and if they want, to get baptized. Many religious people don't give their children a choice by baptizing them as infants.
Hoodwinked

Murrieta, CA

#26 Sep 25, 2012
Snickerdoodle wrote:
The WT Society printed in one of their magazines that a person needs to have "accurate knowledge" of the Bible before being baptized. Do you think young ones really have a full knowledge of the Bible? I was 15 and our family had only studied 3 years before I was "pushed" into being baptized. None of us children had a personal Bible Study and I didn't know beans of what JW's actually believed. Now I'm paying for it because as I learned, there were some topics I didn't agree with and am still confused on. I just don't see it the way they do. Why do they tend to push young ones into baptism? Jesus was 33 when he was baptized.
And we should follow Jesus example...especially in a religion that will cut you off and shun you...no matter your age.
I thank God everyday I never pushed my kids into baptism!! They still have so much maturing to do, and baptism in the JW religion should require a mature mind because we all know they will treat you as a mature adult in a judicial committee !
Hoodwinked

Murrieta, CA

#27 Sep 25, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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I appreciate that the JW's let someone make their own choice as to when, and if they want, to get baptized. Many religious people don't give their children a choice by baptizing them as infants.
true, but most religions don't expect that baptized one to follow a list of rules or else be shunned by friends and family.
Huge difference!!

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#28 Sep 26, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
<quoted text> true, but most religions don't expect that baptized one to follow a list of rules or else be shunned by friends and family.
Huge difference!!
The only list of rules to follow is from the Bible. The Bible says to shun ones who are 'called a brother' yet commiting willful sin. When a person gets baptized they are well aware of that.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo

Los Angeles, CA

#29 Sep 26, 2012
Snickerdoodle wrote:
The WT Society printed in one of their magazines that a person needs to have "accurate knowledge" of the Bible before being baptized. Do you think young ones really have a full knowledge of the Bible? I was 15 and our family had only studied 3 years before I was "pushed" into being baptized. None of us children had a personal Bible Study and I didn't know beans of what JW's actually believed. Now I'm paying for it because as I learned, there were some topics I didn't agree with and am still confused on. I just don't see it the way they do. Why do they tend to push young ones into baptism? Jesus was 33 when he was baptized.
They do it to get the kind of results they got with you.
Check out chanting. No pressure.
http://www.nichirenbuddhist.org/

Since: Mar 09

United States

#30 Sep 27, 2012
No, I did not. Only one husband of mine had no connection to JW's(the second, however he accepted the "Truth" before he passed away). My first however, we were Baptized at the same time, after a study with both of us(and we were married). I had stumbled and was very spiritually sick at the time. The last one, his Parents were both JW's, and he was raised as one. So what Aurora posted is an outright lie.
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> You yourself posted that info.
Spike

United States

#31 Sep 27, 2012
Nomi wrote:
No, I did not. Only one husband of mine had no connection to JW's(the second, however he accepted the "Truth" before he passed away). My first however, we were Baptized at the same time, after a study with both of us(and we were married). I had stumbled and was very spiritually sick at the time. The last one, his Parents were both JW's, and he was raised as one. So what Aurora posted is an outright lie.
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hey old lady nomi, how long did it take the proctologist to remove the tampon from your butt?
Spike

United States

#32 Sep 27, 2012
nomi, your second husband was a known pedophile who molested your son and several other kids

Since: Mar 09

United States

#33 Sep 27, 2012
Shut up, you moron. My second husband was a great guy...so keep your asinine opinions to your weird self.
Spike

United States

#34 Sep 27, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Shut up, you moron. My second husband was a great guy...so keep your asinine opinions to your weird self.
Nomi, you are a liar. you late sencond husband was a disgusting person and a pedophile. he was an abuser and deserved a painful death. he was disgusting and perverted, and very depraved. he was a sodomist
Spike

United States

#35 Sep 27, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Shut up, you moron. My second husband was a great guy...so keep your asinine opinions to your weird self.
too bad they didnt have megan law when your husband was alive. people had the right to be aware of him!
Snickerdoodle

Batesville, AR

#36 Sep 28, 2012
nicole3380 wrote:
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The only list of rules to follow is from the Bible. The Bible says to shun ones who are 'called a brother' yet commiting willful sin. When a person gets baptized they are well aware of that.
Not if they're just a kid, they aren't. They have no clue what will happen to their family if they disagree when they get older. AND....with all the back and forth beliefs, who's to say anyone will stay in if they have to agree with EVERYTHING the GB says. I wouldn't be able to go door to door and tell people we believe something if the "new light" had been shed and I didn't agree with it.

“LADY WARRIOR”

Since: Apr 11

THUG HUNTER

#37 Sep 28, 2012
Spike wrote:
nomi, your second husband was a known pedophile who molested your son and several other kids
You need to write this down on your list of things you are guilty of.

“LADY WARRIOR”

Since: Apr 11

THUG HUNTER

#38 Sep 28, 2012
Spike wrote:
<quoted text>too bad they didnt have megan law when your husband was alive. people had the right to be aware of him!
No Spike.....,just you.

“it's all about logic”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#39 Sep 28, 2012
Snickerdoodle wrote:
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Not if they're just a kid, they aren't. They have no clue what will happen to their family if they disagree when they get older. AND....with all the back and forth beliefs, who's to say anyone will stay in if they have to agree with EVERYTHING the GB says. I wouldn't be able to go door to door and tell people we believe something if the "new light" had been shed and I didn't agree with it.
No matter what age someone is, they are not allowed to get baptized unless they are fully aware of what kind of a decision they are making. There are no 'back and forth' beliefs. Some understanding has been changed slightly, but the beliefs are all still Bible based, as they always will be.
MAMMON

United States

#40 Sep 28, 2012
At the age of 14 I thought I would stay a JW. That's all I knew and all the other kids were doing it. The older kids were looked at like they were spiritually weak if they were not baptized.

If you're a parent with children at least wait till they are 18, your God won't kill them just because they waited. I wish there were some kind of chart showing the age of baptism verses the age of DFing. I know a couple congregations here has a 75/80 % DF rate for children when I went. Im sure it hasn't improved.

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