**WOW. GOVERNING BODY is now THE FAIT...

Since: Jan 12

United States

#1035 Nov 17, 2012
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
I wonder if the antisemitic governing body of the Jehovah's Witnesses were inspired by the sign hanging above the gate of Auschwitz, "Work is Freedom", in order to come up with the misleading phrase, "Faithful and discreet slave" to fool their flock into thinking the governing body is a humble tool of the Lord as they go about destroying people's lives and rejecting the GOD that is LOVE:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
And contrary to what the governing body falsely claims, conditional love is not LOVE at all but rather is a tool used to control people with hate and fear!
LOVE is unconditional and is our home:
Acts 17:28 (New International Version,©2010)
"28 For in him we live and move and have our being. As some of your own poets have said, "We are his offspring"
The governing body falsely call themselves slave, but in reality they are masters replacing GOD!
The LOVE these foolish and arrogant men reject is our ONLY MASTER.
GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
interesting post.... you point out that those who don't have "love" are not faithful and discreet slaves, and are rejecting god, such as in the case of the haughty self appointed wicked jw gov body.......... then to sum it all up you claim that the unloving are ONE WITH GOD.

i truly hope that some day you are going to figure out that the wicked are NOT ONE WITH GOD, and are not going to inherit a never ending future...... there surely is going to eventually be a jugment, to protect the meek.

Since: Jun 11

Perth, Australia

#1036 Nov 17, 2012
UNchained wrote:
The Watchtower Publishing Company's new light says:
Although they were anointed by holy spirit, the apostles and other first-century Christians were not “the faithful and discreet slave” prophesied by Jesus.
WHAT????
They wrote the Christian Greek scriptures, but they are not the "faithful and discreet slave"?
The were genuine prophets, but not the "faithful and discreet slave"?
~~~~~~~~~~
Jeremiah 9:15, Jeremiah 23:15 and Amos 5:6-7 is being fulfilled right in front of the JW's who accept this crap from the urban CEO pretenders of the Watchtower Publishing Company who are not even Christian much less anointed or the "faithful and discreet slave."
The FDS will be given an appointment over all Christ's belongings on his return. The apostles are the very ones that Jesus was talking to when he said that they would become Kings and Priests.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#1037 Nov 17, 2012
Blue Danube wrote:
<quoted text>
The FDS will be given an appointment over all Christ's belongings on his return. The apostles are the very ones that Jesus was talking to when he said that they would become Kings and Priests.
I agree.

However the false prophets of the Watchtower Publishing Company now say that the apostles are SOL.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#1038 Nov 18, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
interesting post.... you point out that those who don't have "love" are not faithful and discreet slaves, and are rejecting god, such as in the case of the haughty self appointed wicked jw gov body.......... then to sum it all up you claim that the unloving are ONE WITH GOD.
i truly hope that some day you are going to figure out that the wicked are NOT ONE WITH GOD, and are not going to inherit a never ending future...... there surely is going to eventually be a jugment, to protect the meek.
Sin is simply missing the mark. We are children growing up in the image of our spiritual parent who has a far more expansive view of what is than you do. This is why we are told not to judge. A commandment you fundamentalists seem to ignore just like you do the two most important commandments in the bible.

You could say we are learning how to walk. Sometimes we fall down. Only a madman could accept a god who would punish his children the way the churches claim who follow the Roman hoax of Christianity.

Unconditional LOVE is the whole basis of the ministry of the historical Jesus. Here is the GOD you deny in your delusion:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
Nabija

Van Nuys, CA

#1039 Nov 18, 2012
unlisted wrote:
as a person who has never been ajw.. could you explain what this will mean? thank you.
quack quack.....

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#1040 Nov 19, 2012
acroMOONbat wrote:
I felt compelled to revisit this thread as I recalled one of my earliest exchanges with FH Cantwin. This exchange is significant because it was very shortly thereafter that he took it upon himself to brand me "acroTroll", and "apostate"
If I referred to you as, "apostate," you'll have to offer a link to a post wherein I did, because I don't recall it.

As it is, I began referring to you as "acroTROLL," first and foremost because that's what you are, and not because of your comments in this thread. So, if you imagine that such makes this thread significant, please be assured it's only significant to you.

acroMOONbat: By way of recall, I had merely asked if this alleged new light had been officially released yet. I did so from my bedside, without the benefit of later hearing as I did, that new light had indeed been shone on this subject.

Reply: Which makes little difference now as the conversation took place previous to now. Which should go without saying.

acroMOONbat: FC Cantwin, of course not being in any way shape or form associated with my faith (which he calls a "sect"), still managed to make the following grand proclamations - I think he fondly refers to such statements as "FACT"

Reply: Because they were, in fact, FACTS.

Let's revisit:

I stated, "The answer, to your question, is, in fact, NO," in response to your question, "Is there anywhere online that this new light has been officially released?" That response came on Friday, October 26. You'll notice that the date of the link you provided is November 9 [a Friday].

It goes without saying - or should - that October 26 comes BEFORE November 9.

But, then, I should expect such oversights on your part, as you imagine that events that took place in, by way of example, February of 1994 and sometime in 2004 should have been known in November of 1993.
You'll notice that I threw in the, "2034" there; you're a [at least, you imagine you are] smart guy - why do you think I did that?

acroMOONbat: Now, to be fair, he ended his thoughts with the admission that he was merely answering based on his knowledge, and that to his knowledge it had not yet been officially released.

Reply: It wasn't officially released on October 26. It was officially released on November 9.

October 26 came BEFORE November 9.

acroMOONbat: For a review of the meeting and the new light:
http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/a...
The pertinent section is entitled "Who Really Is The Faithful And Discreet Slave?"

Reply: This would be the meeting that neither you nor I was present at, the details of which weren't released until some two weeks AFTER the conversation of October 26?

acroMOONbat: I thought it beneficial to point out that it's these sort of innuendo, assumptions and suppositions flung out by troubled posters such as FH Cantwin that precipitate infighting and divisions.

Reply: The innuendo, assumptions and suppositions to which you refer on this subject did not originate with me. I simply informed you - correctly - that the details of the meeting about which others were speculating, making assumptions and trading innuendos, had not been made public. Which, as the link provided by you illustrates, didn't happen until November 9.

acroMOONbat: Ironically, however, he in closing his comments claims that he's not even sure it matters.

Reply: Actually, at this point I'm sure it doesn't matter, but I wouldn't expect an individual such as yourself to understand why. Doing so would require that you be intelligent enough to understand that October 26 comes BEFORE November 9. As you struggle with that, the higher cognitive functions necessary to contemplate deeper philosophical, spiritualistic things is clearly beyond your ability.

Here's an idea: go back to whining about being called a "troll" being a death threat.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#1041 Nov 19, 2012
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sin is simply missing the mark. We are children growing up in the image of our spiritual parent who has a far more expansive view of what is than you do. This is why we are told not to judge. A commandment you fundamentalists seem to ignore just like you do the two most important commandments in the bible.
You could say we are learning how to walk. Sometimes we fall down. Only a madman could accept a god who would punish his children the way the churches claim who follow the Roman hoax of Christianity.
Unconditional LOVE is the whole basis of the ministry of the historical Jesus. Here is the GOD you deny in your delusion:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
gee, you have a fork tongue, grandpa smurfie.... have you ever thought about repenting of the double talk?

there is not a fix all to those who hate justice and love.... nope, they are not one with god , but they are entitled to die of their desease of lying and reaping what they sow.
you are competely autorized by god to die if you like lying.

do you think you can change the laws of nature, mr smufie?
lying reaps DEATH.
how long must we sing this song?....... your lies reap death, not everlasting life.

the unloving are NOT one with god.

hopefully you will repent before the judgment day.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#1042 Nov 19, 2012
yup, the jw gov body claims to be the tip of the little group of faithful and discreet slaves left on the earth.
the remenant of true believers....

they claim to be the rulers over "the brothers of christ"-the annointed of god- the called who respond to the word,
but for some reason, anyone who partakes is made fun of, and they try to discredit anyone who eats the bread and drinks the wine, unless they are very high jw leadership, and company men and agree that its ok to invent a FAKE COMING OF JESUS in 1874 and again in 1914.

but if those who eat the bread and drink the wine figure out that jesus didn't come in 1874-1878 and again in 1914-1818, they must be disfellowshipped as wicked APOSTATES, murmurers, korah......
since they disagreed with the 16 men who claim to be god's mouthpiece on earth, the jw gov body who made up those dates and with those dates appointed themselves to rule, while claiming you may not check out the dates, cause they are from god, and if you even dare to check them out, you must be disfelloshipped for APOSTACY, for having the nerve to check out the dates of their credentials.

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#1043 Nov 19, 2012
red blooded pervert wrote:
yup, the jw gov body claims to be the tip of the little group of faithful and discreet slaves left on the earth.
Yup. And it ain't news.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#1044 Nov 19, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
yup, the jw gov body claims to be the tip of the little group of faithful and discreet slaves left on the earth.
the remenant of true believers....
they claim to be the rulers over "the brothers of christ"-the annointed of god- the called who respond to the word,
but for some reason, anyone who partakes is made fun of, and they try to discredit anyone who eats the bread and drinks the wine, unless they are very high jw leadership, and company men and agree that its ok to invent a FAKE COMING OF JESUS in 1874 and again in 1914.
but if those who eat the bread and drink the wine figure out that jesus didn't come in 1874-1878 and again in 1914-1818, they must be disfellowshipped as wicked APOSTATES, murmurers, korah......
since they disagreed with the 16 men who claim to be god's mouthpiece on earth, the jw gov body who made up those dates and with those dates appointed themselves to rule, while claiming you may not check out the dates, cause they are from god, and if you even dare to check them out, you must be disfelloshipped for APOSTACY, for having the nerve to check out the dates of their credentials.
Good post, RBR....interesting that unless you changed YOUR mind on anything and everything these charlatans decided to print....you were cast out of "God's" (imaginary) earthly organization. The arrogance and the hubris of these evil men knows no bounds.

I haven't heard that reference made to "the remnant" in a very long time! I wonder if the head honchos in Bethel have now scrapped that term?
William E Enoch Sr

Houston, TX

#1045 Nov 19, 2012
As usual, the Governing Body was careful to not directly state they themselves are definitely are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. As with most of Watch Tower Society teachings, conjecture is used in this case as well. WT members now assume the Governing Body said they themselves are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Read the wording carefully. This conjecture is willful deceit.
Remember, conjecture was never used by any Bible writer or Jesus Himself. Anyone who resorts to conjecture really doesn't know a matter and should do as the book of Proverbs suggests, stay quiet.
If the Watchtower Society really had "The Truth", the Governing Body would not ever have to guess about a matter or teach from conjecture. The GB would use definite terms and definite information. Actually the Watch Tower Society members, aka Jehovah's Witnesses, take the conjecture of the Watch Tower and run with it as fact or truth. But, thats just how the Governing Body set it up. This is the GB loophole where the never have to admit wrong because they are only strongly suggesting their teachings through conjecture. Sad.
The Watch Tower is not Father's spokesman, otherwise, no conjecture would be needed. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. will fail.

Since: Nov 12

Magnolia, TX

#1046 Nov 19, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
cont:
Found on the net
Who are the Domestics: All who are fed spiritually whether anointed or of the other sheep.(guess we of the other sheep got a promotion from 'belongings' to Domestics!
What about verse 46 & 47? It says: 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings. verse 46 mentions Jesus 'arriving'. This is not in 1919 when he appointed the FDS but when Jesus comes during the Great Tribulation. This is based on the fact that the greek word for'arriving' is similar to those in verse 30 & 42 that mention Jesus'''coming'.
So what are the belongings? Previously it was thought that this dealt with the earth only. But the scripture is not that specific. So the belongings include the heavenly and earthly interests. The authority over the belongings will be given after the anointed receive their reward in heaven. So all of the anointed will eventually be given this authority.


We notice that the Governing Body only strongly alludes to themselves as being the Faithful and Discreet Slave. Look at the language of the announcement. As with most of Watch Tower teachings, here as well, the GB is usually very careful not to definitely state much of what they teach as true. They typically only allude to its trueness. Re-read the "Society"'s own publications. You will find only conjecture on Biblical and life matters. Just think, you can re-read without your thinking I'm trying to deceive you. The GB IS deceiving you.

After the change in teaching, there was no appology for overstepping the Bible and teaching something different before. GB pride keeps the GB from admitting wrong understanding and spreading it like cancer.

In the announcement, the report quickly goes on to state that the audience members were very happy just to be included as the Slave's domestics. Once again, Watch Tower Society, Inc. members were blinded by the glossed over "new light" claim, which should have been a red light to the Governing Body's deception.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#1047 Nov 19, 2012
William E Enoch Sr wrote:
Remember, conjecture was never used by any Bible writer or Jesus Himself. Anyone who resorts to conjecture really doesn't know a matter and should do as the book of Proverbs suggests, stay quiet.
If the Watchtower Society really had "The Truth", the Governing Body would not ever have to guess about a matter or teach from conjecture.

The GB would use definite terms and definite information. Actually the Watch Tower Society members, aka Jehovah's Witnesses, take the conjecture of the Watch Tower and run with it as fact or truth.

But, thats just how the Governing Body set it up. This is the GB loophole where the never have to admit wrong because they are only strongly suggesting their teachings through conjecture. Sad.

The Watch Tower is not Father's spokesman, otherwise, no conjecture would be needed. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. will fail.
The bottom line....even when the poor GB followers have to continually make lame excuses as to why their self-exalted "spiritual leaders" keep making monumental mistakes time and time again when boasting these men are being whispered to by God and led by Jesus....

when the world knows this publishing corporation & Prime Real Estate Wheelers & Dealers posing as a religion....are the laughingstock of the majority of people with a brain.

Their days are numbered, the jig is up, the WTS is crumbling, vast numbers of previously duped JWs are realizing that their "spiritual paradise" simply never existed, honest-hearted and Godly folks who WERE trapped in this cult....are finding their way out of the very complicated WTS maze....and out into the glorious light the Creator of the universe has held out to them to light their path to Him.

Since: Aug 10

Blairgowrie, UK

#1048 Nov 20, 2012
Blue Danube wrote:
The apostles are the very ones that Jesus was talking to when he said that they would become Kings and Priests.
Revelation 1:4-6
John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light

Romans 8:17
And since we are his children, we are his heirs. In fact, together with Christ we are heirs of God's glory. But if we are to share his glory, we must also share his suffering.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him.

Jesus Christ has made all Christians kings and priests, and we will reign with Him in His Kingdom on earth.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#1049 Nov 20, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>
The bottom line....even when the poor GB followers have to continually make lame excuses as to why their self-exalted "spiritual leaders" keep making monumental mistakes time and time again when boasting these men are being whispered to by God and led by Jesus....
when the world knows this publishing corporation & Prime Real Estate Wheelers & Dealers posing as a religion....are the laughingstock of the majority of people with a brain.
Their days are numbered, the jig is up, the WTS is crumbling, vast numbers of previously duped JWs are realizing that their "spiritual paradise" simply never existed, honest-hearted and Godly folks who WERE trapped in this cult....are finding their way out of the very complicated WTS maze....and out into the glorious light the Creator of the universe has held out to them to light their path to Him.
Anybody have a disinfecting wipe?

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#1050 Nov 20, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
Anybody have a disinfecting wipe?
It won't help with that particular cancer.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#1051 Nov 20, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Anybody have a disinfecting wipe?
A disinfecting wipe won't touch what you have.

Go get yourself a good dose of Sporanox from your doctor.

It will probably clear your infection up.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#1052 Nov 20, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
<quoted text>
gee, you have a fork tongue, grandpa smurfie.... have you ever thought about repenting of the double talk?
there is not a fix all to those who hate justice and love.... nope, they are not one with god , but they are entitled to die of their desease of lying and reaping what they sow.
you are competely autorized by god to die if you like lying.
do you think you can change the laws of nature, mr smufie?
lying reaps DEATH.
how long must we sing this song?....... your lies reap death, not everlasting life.
the unloving are NOT one with god.
hopefully you will repent before the judgment day.
Calling me a liar is a form of false judgment and a form of slander. Your hateful comments exhibit the fruits of the worship of your false god of hate and hellfire very well , it should warn any intelligent person to avoid you, and your primitive, barbaric, hate based religion like the plague!

And even though you are an unloving person red blooded relative , even you are one with GOD as it states in another one of the many scriptures you ignore:

Ephesians 4: 6 New World Translation:

"6 one God and Father of all [persons], who is over all and through all and in all."

And here is another scripture that you missed in your focus on hate and judgment:

Luke 6:27-36 (King James Version)

"27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Both Jesus and GOD disagree with you red blooded relative. LOVE by it's very nature is unconditional as we can clearly see, especially in verse 35 of the above passage. So are you going to call GOD a liar too, red blooded relative?

What you have been taught is love is conditional and is not love at all but relative degrees of hate used as a tool of manipulation. Your false form of love is not the LOVE that Jesus spoke of.

GOD is LOVE. WE are all ONE with GOD, even the unloving!

Since: Jan 12

United States

#1053 Nov 21, 2012
gee thanks for the scriptures mr smurfmiester.... but the reason we love our enemies is to bring them to repentance because otherwise they will eventually die.

there is no such thing as a perpetual wicked person who doesn't self destruct, and there is no such thing as a perpetual resurrection until everyone gets it straight..... you have free will.
its a precious gift from god....... if you chose selfishness, you will eventually self-destruct.

god is not one with those choosing selfishness as their final choice of how to live life.... he will protect the meek from them in the next phase which is the jugment.

don't worry, god will give you a fair judgment.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#1054 Nov 21, 2012
NEDOBA: Their days are numbered, the jig is up, the WTS is crumbling, vast numbers of previously duped JWs are realizing that their "spiritual paradise" simply never existed, honest-hearted and Godly folks who WERE trapped in this cult....are finding their way out of the very complicated WTS maze....and out into the glorious light the Creator of the universe has held out to them to light their path to Him.

I do think more people are waking up to the truth of this religion. I drop in on JWN occasionally. The difference since I was on there four years ago is amazing. It appears that many waking up to the real truth about this organization, there seemed to be a lot more who have left recently. The Conti verdict, the "new light" about the FDS, the murder in Oregon, and so many other things are causing many to question their faith, and once they start questioning, the answers are easy to find.

Of course this religion has weathered many scandals before, so who know what will happen. A lot of growth seemed to be in less developed countries where people don't have access to the Internet and it easier to hide the scandals.

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