why jws afraid to say they are jws?

why jws afraid to say they are jws?

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apple

Singapore, Singapore

#1 Sep 29, 2012
two groups of jws refused to tell me who they are
when i questioned them.

until i searched the internet and found out who they are.

why so secretive? if you claim to be the only true religions?
Woops

Grand Junction, CO

#2 Sep 29, 2012
apple wrote:
two groups of jws refused to tell me who they are
when i questioned them.
until i searched the internet and found out who they are.
why so secretive? if you claim to be the only true religions?
So when they lie and deceive, twist and turn you away from the Almighty, they can protect there god, there salvation,, JW mother church!
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#3 Sep 29, 2012
Woops wrote:
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So when they lie and deceive, twist and turn you away from the Almighty, they can protect there god, there salvation,, JW mother church!
i see..
poco

Hope Valley, RI

#4 Sep 29, 2012
apple wrote:
two groups of jws refused to tell me who they are
when i questioned them.
until i searched the internet and found out who they are.
why so secretive? if you claim to be the only true religions?
check out Anthony's last two chapters where both Rose and Wyatt tell the householder that they are "Jesus" witnesses.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#5 Sep 29, 2012
In some parts of the world it isn't safe for JWs to reveal who they are, because of persecution.

"...prove yourselves cautious..." (Matt 10:16)

“Wa-chew-ka - ChiricahuaApache”

Since: Aug 09

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#6 Sep 29, 2012
Really?

It's obvious to any free thinking person with a modicum of understanding of scripture, divorced of "mans traditions,'(Mat. 15:7-9; 1 Cor. 4-6; Mark 7:8-13) could come to the conclusion that Satan, the god of this system of things (2Cor.4-4) is not worried about christendom (small c), in view of the fact, that they celebrate a buffet type of religion of pic'n'choose, devouring the the 'tickle the ears' fare and leaving behind the solid food of Biblical knowledge that may not be as palatable as the aforementioned.

Jehovah's Witnesses being a small contingent that embraces the "New covenant" in its entirety, and not just those principals that tickle-the-ears. Is it no wonder that this organization is attacked from all directions from those in contention? Yes, Satan is desperate to hush the mouths of their ministry. That would tell me and others, that they may just be on to something, with all this hyperbole, hate and ridicule that Jesus warned us about -- ALL Christians are admonished being SEPARATE from this world as illustrated in John 17:13-19 and Jas. 4:4.

In politics, the majority rules - not so in God's order of things....

"Go in through the narrow gate, because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it, whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." Mat. 7:13

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#7 Sep 29, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
In some parts of the world it isn't safe for JWs to reveal who they are, because of persecution.

"...prove yourselves cautious..." (Matt 10:16)
And yet you come here against advice of the HS.
o woe is me

San Jose, CA

#8 Sep 29, 2012
Huachuca wrote:
Really?
It's obvious to any free thinking person with a modicum of understanding of scripture, divorced of "mans traditions,'(Mat. 15:7-9; 1 Cor. 4-6; Mark 7:8-13) could come to the conclusion that Satan, the god of this system of things (2Cor.4-4) is not worried about christendom (small c), in view of the fact, that they celebrate a buffet type of religion of pic'n'choose, devouring the the 'tickle the ears' fare and leaving behind the solid food of Biblical knowledge that may not be as palatable as the aforementioned.
Jehovah's Witnesses being a small contingent that embraces the "New covenant" in its entirety, and not just those principals that tickle-the-ears. Is it no wonder that this organization is attacked from all directions from those in contention? Yes, Satan is desperate to hush the mouths of their ministry. That would tell me and others, that they may just be on to something, with all this hyperbole, hate and ridicule that Jesus warned us about -- ALL Christians are admonished being SEPARATE from this world as illustrated in John 17:13-19 and Jas. 4:4.
In politics, the majority rules - not so in God's order of things....
"Go in through the narrow gate, because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it, whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it." Mat. 7:13
Boo Hoo, boo hoo.

Just because we shun people who don't agree with us, say everybody else's religion is run by Satan, let children die on the WTS altar for Uncle Freddy's blood doctrine...

Then they had to go and say we have to pay taxes on money used for our magazine.

Persecution I tell ya, its simply persecution. Boo hoo, boo hoo.

Just for that, you are all going to die at armageddon, I get your house and I will be with eagle-eye 1 and 2, Gareth, the Mad JW and Nomi.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wwwwwwait a minute. That don't sound so good either.

Boo hoo, boo hoo.

“Wa-chew-ka - ChiricahuaApache”

Since: Aug 09

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#9 Sep 29, 2012
apple wrote:
two groups of jws refused to tell me who they are
when i questioned them.
until i searched the internet and found out who they are.
why so secretive? if you claim to be the only true religions?
Well I can see why, JW's are persecuted in Singapore. They have to be careful of their ministry as they do in the Communist and Muslim countries -- and as they did in Hitler's Germany.....

S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#10 Sep 29, 2012
o woe is me wrote:
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Boo Hoo, boo hoo.
Just because we shun people who don't agree with us, say everybody else's religion is run by Satan, let children die on the WTS altar for Uncle Freddy's blood doctrine...
Then they had to go and say we have to pay taxes on money used for our magazine.
Persecution I tell ya, its simply persecution. Boo hoo, boo hoo.
Just for that, you are all going to die at armageddon, I get your house and I will be with eagle-eye 1 and 2, Gareth, the Mad JW and Nomi.
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wwwwwwait a minute. That don't sound so good either.
Boo hoo, boo hoo.
I agree, Woe is you....<smile>
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#11 Sep 29, 2012
Huachuca wrote:
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Well I can see why, JW's are persecuted in Singapore. They have to be careful of their ministry as they do in the Communist and Muslim countries -- and as they did in Hitler's Germany.....
right,

for not serving national service
and not willing to sing school anthems

jws explained to me, fighting is a no no to them during war
so when war comes they won't participate. they will not be killed
cos the enemies will let them go.

jw said they are willing to die for their brethens.

i thought die for christ.
Why

York, UK

#12 Sep 29, 2012
Load of Rubbish! unless in a country under ban we are completely open about who we are and who we serve and worship!

“I m no jws”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#13 Sep 30, 2012
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Jesus gave eight characteristics or eight attributes to describe people who will not be in the Kingdom of God. Instead, these people will have as their eternal destiny the lake of fire and brimstone.



Notice the first kind of person that Jesus said would not be saved: "the fearful." The word that Jesus used that is translated as "fearful" is the Greek word for coward

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#14 Sep 30, 2012
apple wrote:
jw said they are willing to die for their brethens.
i thought die for christ.
True Christians will die for each other:

*** John 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you.

*** John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#15 Sep 30, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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True Christians will die for each other:
*** John 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you.
*** John 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
rare case.

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.
Huachuca

Sierra Vista, AZ

#16 Sep 30, 2012
apple wrote:
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right,
for not serving national service
and not willing to sing school anthems
jws explained to me, fighting is a no no to them during war
so when war comes they won't participate. they will not be killed
cos the enemies will let them go.
jw said they are willing to die for their brethens.
i thought die for christ.
ALL Christians are admonished to live in the world, but don't become part of it, Politically or otherwise....

[Jesus speaking to his Father Jehovah] 13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one [Satan]. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[a] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:13-19

As a Christian 'group,' Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones taking Jesus' words seriously and live by it....

Since: Jun 11

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#17 Sep 30, 2012
Huachuca wrote:
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ALL Christians are admonished to live in the world, but don't become part of it, Politically or otherwise....
[Jesus speaking to his Father Jehovah] 13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one [Satan]. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by[a] the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:13-19
As a Christian 'group,' Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones taking Jesus' words seriously and live by it....
let's see now, It seems to me that there are others doing the same. How about the Amish, some Mennonites, I'm sure there are possibly others.

Politics and military service aren't the only thing identified as part of this world, in the bible......

4 No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier.

I wonder how that is fit in with the WTBTS approach to, so-called, Christianity. They seem to have made an allowance for themselves in this area, with their publishing concern, their stock holdings, and hedge-fund investments. Also they've seemed to be able as an organization to join the political and semi military organizations of the UN, and it's OSCE, rubbing elbows with politicians and other, according to the Witnesses, false religious organizations.

I wonder if it is their concern with these enterprises that causes them to not be very protective of their younger ones. I guess, if they actually get involved in a real ministry dedicated to serving Christs stated interests, they won't have time for those other pursuits.

23 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things.

sidgi

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#18 Sep 30, 2012
15 “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. 16 By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].

The WTBTS fruitage is measured, not by the opinions of it's adherents, but by the way they view their responsibility to uphold Jehovah's name. there are many biblical descriptions as to how they are to keep clean, even in the smallest things. They think they are not required to fix lies, wrong doctrine, hypocritical positions, etc.

6 YOUR [cause for] boasting is not fine. Do YOU not know that a little leaven ferments the whole lump?

The person faithful in what is least is faithful also in much, and the person unrighteous in what is least is unrighteous also in much.

Their unrighteousness, by far, surpasses the least category.

sidgi

“Wa-chew-ka - ChiricahuaApache”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#19 Sep 30, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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let's see now, It seems to me that there are others doing the same. How about the Amish, some Mennonites, I'm sure there are possibly others.
Politics and military service aren't the only thing identified as part of this world, in the bible......
4 No man serving as a soldier involves himself in the commercial businesses of life, in order that he may gain the approval of the one who enrolled him as a soldier.
I wonder how that is fit in with the WTBTS approach to, so-called, Christianity. They seem to have made an allowance for themselves in this area, with their publishing concern, their stock holdings, and hedge-fund investments. Also they've seemed to be able as an organization to join the political and semi military organizations of the UN, and it's OSCE, rubbing elbows with politicians and other, according to the Witnesses, false religious organizations.
I wonder if it is their concern with these enterprises that causes them to not be very protective of their younger ones. I guess, if they actually get involved in a real ministry dedicated to serving Christs stated interests, they won't have time for those other pursuits.
23 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things.
sidgi
Regarding Politics and the military, this was just an example, of many, that are of the world and should not be supported by true Christians.

I'm speaking of those so called christian organizations (small c) that put their proclivities over scripture. There are approximately 28,000 christian denominations and sects in the world that have little scriptural continuity that embrace "mans traditions" over scripture in many cases.

There is nothing wrong (scripturally) with having a Christian body support itself through investments and publications that are in-tune with their ministry. The Watch-Tower Society is continually building new Kingdom Halls on a world wide basis, which is paid for by the aforementioned. They also have a farm and orchards in upper state, NY to help feed those dedicated bothers that work in their headquarters in Brooklyn. We are no longer under the old covenant where the Levites (the priestly class) was supported by 10% tithing.

"False claims against JW's concerning UN NGO's for 10 years"
Earlier on, their were some allegations made by an 'apostate' concerning the JW organizations ties with the UN. That was latter disproved as fallacious and unfounded in the context given.

http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-...

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#20 Sep 30, 2012
Huachuca wrote:
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Regarding Politics and the military, this was just an example, of many, that are of the world and should not be supported by true Christians.
I'm speaking of those so called christian organizations (small c) that put their proclivities over scripture. There are approximately 28,000 christian denominations and sects in the world that have little scriptural continuity that embrace "mans traditions" over scripture in many cases.
There is nothing wrong (scripturally) with having a Christian body support itself through investments and publications that are in-tune with their ministry. The Watch-Tower Society is continually building new Kingdom Halls on a world wide basis, which is paid for by the aforementioned. They also have a farm and orchards in upper state, NY to help feed those dedicated bothers that work in their headquarters in Brooklyn. We are no longer under the old covenant where the Levites (the priestly class) was supported by 10% tithing.
"False claims against JW's concerning UN NGO's for 10 years"
Earlier on, their were some allegations made by an 'apostate' concerning the JW organizations ties with the UN. That was latter disproved as fallacious and unfounded in the context given.
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-...
Why do you designate small "c" as if it is different from the
WTBTS? The point is, that the WTBTS is no better that any of the rest. There is everything wrong (scripturally) with a christian body supporting itself through investments, and a publishing concern. They are going against the example Christ set when he first sent people out to preach and serve his interests....

9 Do not procure gold or silver or copper for YOUR girdle purses, 10 or a food pouch for the trip, or two undergarments, or sandals or a staff; for the worker deserves his food.

Christ never told anyone to do it any other way. When they do actively procure monies, by whatever means, to support their ministry, they are disregarding Jesus words. It definitely shows a lack of faith in Jehovah's ability to provide. It is also going beyond the things written. there is nothing even remotely close to what they have done, in those areas, mentioned in the bible.

If Jehovah wanted new kingdom halls, he would provide them, and he would do so within the bounds of the bible. There is nothing about funding anything the WTBTS funds. There is also no example of anyone living off the congregations generosity. At times the congregations helped out where some were being persecuted and couldn't take care of their needs, as in the case of those in Jerusalem, but there was absolutely no formal arrangement set up in Jerusalem to promote that, especially funding through donations from Satan's world.

I think your representation of Watchtower Farms is out of date. You ought to be ashamed to even mention it. First off, it was purchased thorough "donated" money (actually, at the time, it was through sales of Watchtower publications), and it was continued, as long as it lasted, through those same "donated monies". It no longer is used to feed those at Bethel. If you believe the claims about the WTBTS affiliation with the UN as an NGO was false, then you've never had the courage to investigate it for yourself. Also, as of a few years ago,(the last time I checked) the WTBTS was still an NGO attached to the OSCE http://www.osce.org/ , which is a political and paramilitary org, attached to the UN. Why not go to the horses mouth to get your information, instead of the other end of the animal (WTBTS affiliated sites) I don't care if you do, but most here know the true state of affairs of the WTBTS. It seems only the rank and file, and a few deluded management personnel don't know the truth.

sidgi

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