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#27 Jun 25, 2014
ohreally wrote:
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So happy you agree, and liked picture!:)
I was really surprised when I clicked onto the link! The pic had quite an impact on me.....and I thank you for a new (to me) American Indian website for me to poke around in, LOL!

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

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#28 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Jesus said ' anyone who drinks my blood and eats my flesh has LIFE in him.'
So drinking Jesus blood gives us LIFE
We don't have permission to take anyone elses blood
So when someone is using the blood of others as an excuse for Life
Its because they don't drink the blood of Jesus
And think its found in the blood of others
Just another unbeliever.
little "lamb" says calls Jesus a liar when He said:

John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.

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Don't be mislead by the man-made teachings of a Pharisaical cultist, folks. There is not a shred of evidence to be found anywhere in the scriptures that God disapproves of blood transfusions. The only way to come up with that rule is to intentionally distort the clear meaning of scripture.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#29 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Just a reminder
Acts 15 [25]
The Holy Spirit and we ourselves have favored no other burden to you , then these necessary things m to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols , AND FROM BLOOD and from things strangled and from fornication , if you carefully keep yourselves from these things YOU WILL PROSPER , Good health to You.
Never really saw the promise contained there before but its there
' YOU WILL PROSPER"
That is a great promise
Don't be fooled by the arguments being used here...they would say the same thing to the Apostles...and we all know the Apostles were guided by the Holy Spirit.
Acts 15 does not mention anything about receiving a transfusion in order to save a human life.

You claim that you hear Jesus' voice on this thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

You also claim that I have committed a SERIOUS sin against God.
Little lamb:

When and where did you first hear from Jesus that blood transfusions are a sin?

The reason I ask is because you have accused me of sinning numerous times since March of this year when I received a blood transfusion.

Please help me, little lamb so that I can ask God for forgiveness and repent IF what you accuse me of is true.

Again, and this is the 4th time on several different threads that I have asked you specifically...

When and where did you first hear from Jesus that blood transfusions are a sin?

To be very specific:
FROM WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION?

I need to know so that I can ask God for forfgiveness if, indeed I have sinned against Him by receiveing a blood transfusion.

Thank you, little lamb.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#30 Jun 25, 2014
Jehovah's Witness, read this:

Every living creature will be food for you; as [I gave] the green plants, I have given you everything. 4 However, you must not eat meat with its lifeblood in it.
Genesis 9:3-4

This is a permanent statute throughout your generations, wherever you live: you must not eat any fat or any blood.
Leviticus 3:17

Wherever you live, you must not eat the blood of any bird or animal. 27 Whoever eats any blood, that person must be cut off from his people.
Leviticus 7:26-27

The Israelites struck down the Philistines that day from Michmash all the way to Aijalon. Since the Israelites were completely exhausted, 32 they rushed to the plunder, took sheep, cattle, and calves, slaughtered them on the ground, and ate [meat] with the blood [still in it.] 33 Some reported to Saul:“Look, the troops are sinning against the Lord by eating [meat] with the blood [still in it.]”
Saul said,“You have been unfaithful. Roll a large stone over here at once.” 34 He then said,“Go among the troops and say to them,‘Each man must bring me his ox or his sheep. Do the slaughtering here and then you can eat. Don’t sin against the Lord by eating [meat] with the blood [in it.]’” So every one of the troops brought his ox that night and slaughtered it there. 35 Then Saul built an altar to the Lord; it was the first time he had built an altar to the Lord.
1 Samuel 14:31-35

Jehovah's Witnesses, WHY weren't Saul's men CUT OFF when they disobeyed God and ate unbled meat?
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#31 Jun 25, 2014
Sparlock wrote:
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little "lamb" says calls Jesus a liar when He said:
John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.
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Don't be mislead by the man-made teachings of a Pharisaical cultist, folks. There is not a shred of evidence to be found anywhere in the scriptures that God disapproves of blood transfusions. The only way to come up with that rule is to intentionally distort the clear meaning of scripture.
Fact is to keep abstaining from blood is written in scripture and not from a cult

And you also forget that Jesus says

" He who loses his life for MY SAKE , will find it again.'
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#32 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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Fact is to keep abstaining from blood is written in scripture and not from a cult
And you also forget that Jesus says
" He who loses his life for MY SAKE , will find it again.'
No Jehovah's Witness would have ever tried to link Leviticus 7:26 with a blood transfusion if they had not read it in a Watchtower publication. They would have realised that God commanded the Israelites not to eat the blood of animals and birds.

No Jehovah's Witness would have ever tried to link eating blood with a blood transfusion if they had not read it in a Watchtower publication.

Jehovah's Witnesses learned all they know about blood from reading a Watchtower and from listening to incorrect, useless, destructive, damaging and potentially life threatening information provided to them by untrained, uneducated, evil religious fanatics who claim to speak for God.

If you had the Holy Spirit living in you then you would know why God allows blood transfusions to be performed on Christians and unbelievers alike.

You resort to going beyond scripture by citing laws and regulations which Jesus fulfilled on the cross.

Your insistence that your standards be followed prove that you are an unbeliever who believes that righteousness comes through the law instead of through grace.

For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Galatians 2:19-21

What are you going to say should you and I meet in paradise?

Are you going to beat on my flesh with your unscriptural demands?
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#33 Jun 25, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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No Jehovah's Witness would have ever tried to link Leviticus 7:26 with a blood transfusion if they had not read it in a Watchtower publication. They would have realised that God commanded the Israelites not to eat the blood of animals and birds.
No Jehovah's Witness would have ever tried to link eating blood with a blood transfusion if they had not read it in a Watchtower publication.
Jehovah's Witnesses learned all they know about blood from reading a Watchtower and from listening to incorrect, useless, destructive, damaging and potentially life threatening information provided to them by untrained, uneducated, evil religious fanatics who claim to speak for God.
If you had the Holy Spirit living in you then you would know why God allows blood transfusions to be performed on Christians and unbelievers alike.
You resort to going beyond scripture by citing laws and regulations which Jesus fulfilled on the cross.
Your insistence that your standards be followed prove that you are an unbeliever who believes that righteousness comes through the law instead of through grace.
For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Galatians 2:19-21
What are you going to say should you and I meet in paradise?
Are you going to beat on my flesh with your unscriptural demands?
The new covenant Jesus mediates ..God promises to write his Laws in our minds and on our hearts

One of the necessary things he has given us , and is written in our hearts is the commandment ' to abstain from blood'

So you can fool others on here with your rhetoric Unchained but its a teaching of the Holy Spirit..Acts 15 [27-28]

You better be careful in saying the Holy Spirit doesn't teach ' abstain from blood'

Because every sin is forgiven men but the sin against the Holy Spirit.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#34 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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The new covenant Jesus mediates ..God promises to write his Laws in our minds and on our hearts
One of the necessary things he has given us , and is written in our hearts is the commandment ' to abstain from blood'
So you can fool others on here with your rhetoric Unchained but its a teaching of the Holy Spirit..Acts 15 [27-28]
You better be careful in saying the Holy Spirit doesn't teach ' abstain from blood'
Because every sin is forgiven men but the sin against the Holy Spirit.
You have wrongly interpreted Acts 15:28-29 because you first heard about blood from reading a Watchtower and from listening to incorrect, useless, destructive, damaging and potentially life threatening information provided to you by untrained, uneducated, evil religious fanatics who claim to speak for God.

Jesus fulfilled EVERY aspect of the law on the cross...

For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Galatians 2:19-21

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

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#35 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Fact is to keep abstaining from blood is written in scripture and not from a cult
And you also forget that Jesus says
" He who loses his life for MY SAKE , will find it again.'
The fact is the command to abstain from blood has nothing to do with human blood nor does it have to do with medicinal purposes.

You know full well exactly what they are talking about but you choose to lie and pretend otherwise.

Stop calling Jesus a liar.

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#36 Jun 25, 2014
little lamb wrote:
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And you also forget that Jesus says
" He who loses his life for MY SAKE , will find it again.'
By the way, intentionally committing suicide by avoiding a life-saving medical treatment that is not sinful is most definitely not losing your life for Jesus' sake.

You choose to throw your life away for a man-made, unscriptural rule. Don't blame Jesus for your bad choices and false beliefs.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#38 Jun 26, 2014
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
The new covenant Jesus mediates ..God promises to write his Laws in our minds and on our hearts
One of the necessary things he has given us , and is written in our hearts is the commandment ' to abstain from blood'
So you can fool others on here with your rhetoric Unchained but its a teaching of the Holy Spirit..Acts 15 [27-28]
You better be careful in saying the Holy Spirit doesn't teach ' abstain from blood'
Because every sin is forgiven men but the sin against the Holy Spirit.
Jesus fulfilled EVERY aspect of the law on the cross...

For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Galatians 2:19-21

According to Galatians 2:19-21, you believe that Christ died for nothing with your false belief that righteousness comes through adherence to the law (Leviticus 7:26).

That makes you an evil, wicked person who is trampling on Jesus' blood.

Christians aren't even supposed to pray for your salvation because you knowingly and deliberately reject and trample on His blood.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#40 Jun 27, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Jesus said ' anyone who drinks my blood and eats my flesh has LIFE in him.'
So drinking Jesus blood gives us LIFE
We don't have permission to take anyone elses blood
So when someone is using the blood of others as an excuse for Life
Its because they don't drink the blood of Jesus
And think its found in the blood of others
Just another unbeliever.
Little Lamb~

Far be it from me to point out that when I pushed that little button in my hand, Jesus didn't appear. Beside my hospital bed ready to give me his life sustaining blood.

Corinthian
Teleologist

Phoenix, AZ

#41 Jun 28, 2014
little lamb wrote:
One of the necessary things he has given us , and is written in our hearts is the commandment ' to abstain from blood'. So you can fool others on here with your rhetoric Unchained but its a teaching of the Holy Spirit..Acts 15 [27-28]

You better be careful in saying the Holy Spirit doesn't teach ' abstain from blood' Because every sin is forgiven men but the sin against the Holy Spirit.
Yes, the Holy Spirit does teach "abstain from blood". But the point you keep missing is that in order to properly obey this command one must determine what blood is to be abstained from and what manner of abstention is required.

You obviously haven't spent any time reasoning this out. If I understand you correctly you think the blood to be abstained from is every sort of blood and the abstention required is every possible abstention. With this broad understanding of what "abstain from blood" means we would have to abstain from our own blood in every kind of way which is impossible. It would be a sin to touch blood so a Christian couldn't be a doctor, nurse or paramedic. We couldn't even tend to a cut on our body or on our child's body. It would be wrong to have our blood tested. It would be wrong to eat meat because some blood remains in meat even when it has been drained.

So you have to ask yourself maybe such a broad understanding of what abstain from blood" means is in error. Maybe "abstain from blood" simply means not doing one particular thing with a certain kind of blood. We don't have to look far to determine this is indeed the case. The scripture says to KEEP abstaining from blood. So this was an ongoing abstention. It wasn't something new. Christians were being told to KEEP abstaining from the same blood and in the same manner as they had been doing for 2,000 years. Christians were no longer under the Mosaic law but they were still under the Noachian law given to Noah in the 9th chapter of Genesis. So acts 15:27-29 is telling Christians to KEEP abstaining from the same blood and in the same manner as righteous Noah did. The blood to abstain from is the blood of animals killed for food and the manner of abstention is not EATING this blood.

The Watchtower publication Insight on the Scriptures Volume 1, page 344 says regarding the Apostolic decree on abstaining from blood:

"This decree rests, ultimately, on God’s command not to eat blood, as given to Noah and his sons and, therefore, to all mankind."

The 1974 Watchtower, page 351 says:
Noah and his descendants, including all of us, were not to sustain their lives by using blood as food. And this important outlook was even repeated, showing its application to true worshipers today, for Christians were told:“Keep abstaining ... from blood and from things strangled.”(Acts 15:29)

The 1958 Watchtower, September 15, page 575 says:
"Each time the prohibition of blood is mentioned in the Scriptures it is in connection with taking it as food, and so it is as a nutrient that we are concerned with in its being forbidden."

The Watchtower Society recognizes the Apostolic Decree in the 15th chapter of Acts to be a reiteration of the Noachian Decree found in the 9th chapter of Genesis. But the Apostolic Decree leaves out some important details that are contained in the Noachian Decree. The reason for this is because the Apostolic Decree was REITERATING the Noachian Decree, and the Noachian Decree ALREADY contained THE CONTEXT of WHAT blood to abstain from (i.e., blood from slaughter) and WHAT abstention was required (i.e., eating).

Donor blood is not obtained by killing and transfusing blood is not equivalent to eating it.
BUDGIE

UK

#42 Jun 28, 2014
little lamb wrote:
Jesus said ' anyone who drinks my blood and eats my flesh has LIFE in him.'
So drinking Jesus blood gives us LIFE
We don't have permission to take anyone elses blood
So when someone is using the blood of others as an excuse for Life
Its because they don't drink the blood of Jesus
And think its found in the blood of others
Just another unbeliever.
Yes we do have the permission,,,, i.e. from those who donate it. and they donate it to give others phisical life..The life Jesus is talking about is eternal life,,, spiritual life. your theology is faulty.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#43 Jun 28, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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That makes you an evil, wicked person who is trampling on Jesus's blood.
Well, when you put it THAT way!

Corinthian
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#44 Jun 28, 2014
PaulWroteToMe wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, when you put it THAT way!
Corinthian
What else can she be doing when Scripture clearly tells us this:

For through the law I have died to the law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Galatians 2:19-21

I only want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by hearing with faith?
Galatians 3:2

For all who [rely on] the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who does not continue doing everything written in the book of the law. 11 Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because the righteous will live by faith. 12 But the law is not based on faith; instead, the one who does these things will live by them. 13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, because it is written: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree. 14 The purpose was that the blessing of Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we could receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:10-14

More than any Jehovah's Witness I have ever met, she hates every Christian on this board with a vengeance equled by satan, so she may be more than just wicked. Her heart may very well be possessed by demons, lots of them.
little lamb

Collingwood, Australia

#45 Jun 28, 2014
Teleologist wrote:
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Yes, the Holy Spirit does teach "abstain from blood". But the point you keep missing is that in order to properly obey this command one must determine what blood is to be abstained from and what manner of abstention is required.
You obviously haven't spent any time reasoning this out. If I understand you correctly you think the blood to be abstained from is every sort of blood and the abstention required is every possible abstention. With this broad understanding of what "abstain from blood" means we would have to abstain from our own blood in every kind of way which is impossible. It would be a sin to touch blood so a Christian couldn't be a doctor, nurse or paramedic. We couldn't even tend to a cut on our body or on our child's body. It would be wrong to have our blood tested. It would be wrong to eat meat because some blood remains in meat even when it has been drained.
So you have to ask yourself maybe such a broad understanding of what abstain from blood" means is in error. Maybe "abstain from blood" simply means not doing one particular thing with a certain kind of blood..
Scripture states ' keep abstaining from blood'

The command means exactly what it says

It doesn't say " keep abstaining from EATING blood'

and it doesn't say

" Keep abstaining from ANIMAL blood'

It just says plainly and simply

" Keep abstaining from blood"
BUDGIE

UK

#46 Jun 29, 2014
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Scripture states ' keep abstaining from blood'
The command means exactly what it says
It doesn't say " keep abstaining from EATING blood'
and it doesn't say
" Keep abstaining from ANIMAL blood'
It just says plainly and simply
" Keep abstaining from blood"
But, and it's a big but. JWs are now allowed to use fractions of blood, courtesy of the G/B that's nice of em,

AND Where do you think all those life saving blood fractions come from that JW's take?
They come from the donated blood supply!
USING from the donated blood supply is not ABSTAINING from blood!
How can JW's use fractions extracted from donor blood and claim they abstain from blood?
USING from blood is NOT ABSTAINING from blood.
Blood fractions are parts of real blood. Also, taking products obtained from the collecting,
storing, and fractionizing of donor blood is contrary to abstaining from blood. JW's DO NOT
ABSTAIN from blood .

So Little Lamb,,, would you be willing to donate your own blood to be split up
for the life saving blood fractions to be available for your very own brothers and sister usage
to save their lives in a medical emergancy or would you prefere the usage of blood from apostates
and people from Satans kingdom. Please answer yes or no it's quite a simple question. The G/B have said its ok to use blood as fractions.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#47 Jun 29, 2014
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Scripture states ' keep abstaining from blood'
The command means exactly what it says
It doesn't say " keep abstaining from EATING blood'
and it doesn't say
" Keep abstaining from ANIMAL blood'
It just says plainly and simply
" Keep abstaining from blood"
Out of your murderous, black heart of stone you condemn and revile Jesus' teachings of mercy and faith.

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

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#48 Jun 29, 2014
Don't let liars like little "lamb" fool you into believing his man made rules about blood transfusions.

Don't let devious pharisees like little "lamb" try to convince you Jesus is lying when he said there is no greater love than to give you life for another.

Always remember, little "lamb" is solely focused on trying to trick God into giving him a spot in the 144k by refusing to acknowledge his promotion of false doctrine. Little "lamb" seems to think refusing to admit his false claims will trick God into thinking he is unblemished.

Do not be misled by little "lamb"'s self-serving goals. Let the scriptures be your guide.

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