The Twelve Tribes of the Whole World

[Crystal Chanda Cassadine]

20571point428571 wrote:

"waffler feces to sit on anymore."
"waffler fences to sit on anymore."
oops, lol,

Gotta love those typos....LOL.

Also, thanks for posting this thread about the 12 Tribes, 20571.

[Gnash]

Please. If you are a member of LDS you have no credibility at all.

Point, Mr. SUCKitall >>

You are a complete bozo and a joke.

[little lamb]

The question still has to be asked...if the originater of this post believes the whole world is going to be made up of the twelve tribes of Israel

Seeing Jesus is the Israel of God

Then where does he think they stand in relationship with the new covenant, that Jehovah promises to Israel and Judah..??

[rachel123]

20571point428571 wrote:

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Oh, sure, lol.
No. Trinity was NEVER revealed because there is no such thing and God plainly made himself known, BY NAME, long long long before any "trinity" botox got injected into the bible by strange cults.
(Exodus 6:6) 6 “Therefore say to the sons of Israel,‘I am Jehovah, and I shall certainly bring YOU out from under the burdens of the Egyptians and deliver YOU from their slavery, and I shall indeed reclaim YOU with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
Those "great judgments" are coming upon all "trinity" pushers as the "trinity" cannot save you from Jehovah's judgment of destruction upon it that you will witness up to the point you still exist.
So that is why God does not go by "trinity", only Satan exists in that form until he reveals himself in direct Gog fashion when the churches are exterminated in GT, along with all false-religions which both Jehovah and Satan are done with, as Satan wants to directly interface his people by name as well, and that is where the world is heading, a purge into choosing Jehovah or Satan, and there will be no SDA middle ground and waffler feces to sit on anymore.
The "trinity" is a "roach motel" lure, it cannot save but is a death trap. Eventually you will understand what we are getting at here. "Good luck", that is all you have in this state of falsehood and plainly exposed idolatries errors you have accepted as truth can never save you in the end.

Hey Mister LOL!! Did you find that verse of scripture yet to show YOU are not "in a state of falsehood and plainly exposed idolatries errors you have accepted as truth" to amply prove the watch tower heresy that Jesus was resurrected only as a spiritual being?
While the Holy Bible tells us in Luke 24v39.Jesus himself said.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Remember,you said yourself if its not of God then it must be from Satan.

[20571point428571]

little lamb wrote:

The question still has to be asked...if the originater of this post believes the whole world is going to be made up of the twelve tribes of Israel
Seeing Jesus is the Israel of God
Then where does he think they stand in relationship with the new covenant, that Jehovah promises to Israel and Judah..??

The "NC" is the legal adoption, then the rebirth of those "out of" the 12 tribal totality of "among mankind", that is the "Israel of God" 144000.

But this all has gone global now, Ezekiel 37 and 38 relate to Rev 7, 21-22.

All the tribal listings of the 144000, the paradise global allottment to the 12 tribes, and the 12 tribal gates of the city are different than also the 12 tribes listed in Genesis, because they have different meanings, but the earthly patterns will be based on the heavenly master pattern because that "New Jerusalem" is Christ's Bride and that male and female symbol with last Adam as patriarch of the human recovery of Matt 19:28 will have a "fruitful" "woman" and marriage relationship.

That is the covenant that the "great crowd" will come into, though it is not described, a marriage affects the children of that union.

And the Israel pattern preceding their own law covenant through Moses, was though the Red Sea, the GC as well in a deliverance of the "lamb's blood", the GC has a world totality of meaning of every tribe, nation and tongue.

So ALL these patterns have transcended the limitations of the fleshly Israelites, they are a teaching micro-pattern for a "12 tribal" arrangement that will be the totality of mankind back to Abel that must also be "born into" Last Adam, through his bridal arrangement resulting in Rev 21:1-5.

Adam must be 100% removed from mankind as patriarch and flesh, as the lamb literally takes the "sin of the world", Adam, away by perfect flesh and perfect blood, and perfect life force, "life giving spirit" in last Adam who is no longer human, but God retains his perfection to cover Adam's sin in his offspring by atonement, replace Adam's "broken link" to God and life, and to provide a perfect spirit and an uncorrupted flesh, as Adam's spiritual compromise allowing Satan "the ability to cause death"; (Heb2:14) eventually created worsening physical imperfections and terminal systemic death.

Christ has removed systemic death from mankind, and that allows for the final temptation to have some unfaithful humans who are removed without compromising the whole human race, now in God's image once again.

And Ezekiel shows that "waters of life" from Christ, will benefit all life, ALL LIFE that was affected by Adam's sin, and allowing Satan's covetous, weak, hateful and murderous spirit from entering this world to try to destroy God's image and God's creation through Adam's hierarchical lost blessing, turned to curse, which affected EVERYTHING in that hierarchy shown in Genesis 1:28.

(Ezekiel 47:8-9)“This water is going forth to the eastern region and must go down through the Arabah. And it must come to the sea. It being brought forth into the sea itself, its water is also actually healed. 9 And it must occur that every living soul that swarms, in every place to which the double-size torrent comes, will get life.

Adam's sin to death curse is removed:

(Revelation 22:1-3) And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side there were trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees were for the curing of the nations.

3 And no more will there be any curse.

So heaven has no need for that kind of recovery but potentially billions of humans do from Abel forward.

[20571point428571]

little lamb wrote:

Then where does he think they stand in relationship with the new covenant, that Jehovah promises to Israel and Judah..??

Israel and Judah are symbols now of the 144000. Fleshly Israel was cast off after the "new covenant" was ratified officially upon the 120 disciples at the first baptism by holy spirit of Christ's "wheat" class:

(John 12:23-24)“The hour has come for the Son of man to be glorified. 24 Most truly I say to you, Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains just one grain; but if it dies, it then bears much fruit.

the jews after that period no longer have a covenant. Jesus Christ scooped them on it by performing the law perfectly and receiving all the rights and benefits legally, "He that has the legal right" now.

By that rejection by his own people, they lost the covenant, Jesus removed it in his own sacrifice though not in transgression of the law, they gave him the death penalty.

By that death, the "new covenant" was made actual, by his shed perfect blood.

That made all this possible by faith:

(John 1:11-13). . .He came to his own home, but his own people did not take him in. 12 However, as many as did receive him, to them he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name; 13 and they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.

So there is nothing in Israels "blood", "flesh", or "will" that is of any use to be born from God.

The 144000 are therefore not Israeli according to the flesh, but "New Creation" like Christ according to being God's children now, NOT Jewish blood as to the fleshly nation that has no covenant with God anyways as shown in the Greek Scriptures what has transpired since Exodus 19:5-6.

Jesus has scooped that faithless system, and brought by God into birth a new nation, not the former transgressor Israel "cast away" now by God, because they first rejected him, by rejecting and sentencing to death God's Son who had not only broken no law, but kept the law perfectly.

(1 Peter 2:9-10) But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the one that called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 For you were once not a people, but are now God’s people

So these are LITERALLY "God's people", born in the pattern of the "second man out of heaven", not the Adamic Jews. They must be recovered in the 1000 year reign:

(Romans 11:15) For if the casting of them away means reconciliation for the world, what will the receiving of them mean but life from the dead?

Or now by faith in Jesus Christ by accurate knowledge, not church hearsay:

(2 Peter 1:2-3) May undeserved kindness and peace be increased to you by an accurate knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 forasmuch as his divine power has given us freely all the things that concern life and godly devotion, through the accurate knowledge of the one who called us through glory and virtue.

The Jews and Churches have inaccurate knowledge, so that is to no avail, one must study the bible with Jehovah's people to understand the bible and the "new covenant" provisions for turning earth into a paradise according to the divine spec, not man's or demon's, and providing man the first opportunity to actually live forever on earth as willed by God, and that purposed will CANNOT be changed, "God's image" is involved, and as a man Christ recovered the perfect "image of God" from Adam the transgressor with Eve, both Devil worshipers - and both paid for that transgression.

(Genesis 1:27-28)...in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them...God blessed them and God said to them:“Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection...every living creature that is moving upon the earth.”

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Crystal Chanda Cassadine wrote:

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Gotta love those typos....LOL.

Also, thanks for posting this thread about the 12 Tribes, 20571.

Your welcome. Yes, an interesting typo there, lol.

There are interesting uses of 12's in the Revelation. I think that as we see from the 1914-1918 period, that the "two witnesses" in Zechariah's time completed work AFTER the foundation was laid. So that spiritual resurrection began after the 42 month witnessing period of those "two".

Whoch now Jehovah shows me, the foundation was laid by Christ instantly at his Messianic enthronement in 1914. He was up till then the "corner stone" that was just sort of sitting around, delivered to the "job site", but was not yet "founded".

1914 was that cornerstone laid by Jehovah, not by himself.

(1 Peter 2:6) For it is contained in Scripture:“Look! I am laying in Zion a stone, chosen, a foundation cornerstone, precious; and no one exercising faith in it will by any means come to disappointment.”

Which means the whole foundation system was also laid BEFORE the two witnesses went active, as in the pattern in Jerusalem when Zechariah and Haggai, pushed by Jehovah's spirit, encouraged Zerrubabel and Joshua continue and build upon the foundation laid 17 years before.

In 1914 therefore this "foundation" had to be present before the "two witnesses" commenced in late 1914:

(Revelation 21:14-22) The wall of the city also had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb....And I did not see a temple in it, for Jehovah God the Almighty is its temple, also the Lamb is.

So that "temple" is not used in this illustration, because "no temple is seen", but that city is "Heaevenly Jerusalem" and Christ still is the cornerstone:

(Isaiah 28:16) therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said:“Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.

(Hebrews 12:22) 22 But you have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels,

The "New Jerusalem" is composed of the Bride, the 144000, Christ overall is not included in that symbol, but in his overall King position in "Heavenly Jerusalem" which the 144000 are with him "standing on Zion".

Fine points, but none the less interesting because the 144000 are still "pillars" in that temple system and it is related perfectly to "New Jerusalem":

(Revelation 3:12)“‘The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem

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Now the foundation is important in the overall symbol, and it was present SINCE 1914.

Someone had to say this in heaven as witnesses of that event as "brothers":

(Revelation 12:9-10). . .So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!

So it is logical the apostles were there is what I am saying, and that is the actual entity in that "child" that Satan actually thought of "devouring", not a ceremony, but an actual birth.

It is fitting to they are at God's throne delivered there after birth, because the war Michael and the angels were settling was God's Kingdom heaven soveriegn issue, NOT Messianic issue.

The holy angels had herd those taunts for 5900 years at that time, they were done with Satan. That 12 "stars" as the "crown" of that "woman" exercised it's authority in heaven as well with the whole body of angels. Former humans have no issue in angelic sovereign issues.

BUT the 144000 WILL have issue with Satan usurping earth, that IS the domain of the Messianic Kingdom. At that time, like the angels with Michael, the 144000 with Christ will in similar fashion, hurl Satan to abyss from this secondary domain of Satan's overall sovereign challenge, as heaven is now cleared out, so will this universe be cleared out of those demon "heavens" of Eph 6:12.

That first event at Rev12:7-10 of course would be all the better to have the 12 also witnessing Christ, become "authority of God's Christ" in BOTH those Kingdoms, God's and the Messianic Kingdom at it's "foundation" event!

Makes sense, it was the ultimate burn for Satan to be beat up by "big brother" Michael and humiliated in front of the children, LOL.

[little lamb]

LOL...God makes things simple and men complicate it.

Jesus has come to gather together everything in heaven and earth into ONE..with him and the Father..

Everyone BELIEVING Jesus is the CHRIST has been BORN FROM GOD.

Thats because the new covenant Jesus mediates between God and men, is where Jehovah writes his Laws on our hearts and in our minds and promises to become our God and we his people..

Its what Jesus mediates...no man can mediate another system in opposition to what Jesus has inaugerated with his BLOOD..

That new birth places us into the family of God...Jehovah is our FATHER and we are all in fact sons of God through our FAITH in Christ Jesus.

The choice is do you want to be in Gods FAMILY or do you want to be in a religion??

Also because we are reconciled to the family of God , we become legitimate heirs with Christ of the inheritance which God holds for the holy ones.

Paul prayed in Ephesians " the eyes of your heart having been enlightened.."

So thats where the light has to shine...on the heart

" That you may know what is the HOPE to which he called you , what the glorious riches are which he holds as an inheritance for the Holy Ones."

Now man tries to remove the word YOU recorded in the scripture..so retain the word and don't allow Satans systems to remove the word "YOU' from YOU.

It seems right from Nimrod...that man has wanted to dominate other men, by removing them from the FAMILY arrangement, over into abnormal arrangements of a political and religious nature, that does not love the individual as he is loved in a family.

[little lamb]

Someone who has a fruit tree should explain to 'city' people what FIRST FRUITS are..

They are not the whole crop

They are fruit that ripens earlier then other fruit

However the fruit whether it ripens first or second is still on the SAME TREE..it all gets the SAME nourishment and water

You don't water the one lot of fruit different then the second crop ..

What the org has done is taken all the water and nourishment that Jesus as the olive tree sends to the fruit..and says thats not for this lot but only for that lot...You can see how ridiculous it is, if you have a fruit tree and know about first fruits and second crop..

[rachel123]

20571point428571 wrote:

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Now the foundation is important in the overall symbol, and it was present SINCE 1914.
Someone had to say this in heaven as witnesses of that event as "brothers":
(Revelation 12:9-10). . .So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say:“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God!
So it is logical the apostles were there is what I am saying, and that is the actual entity in that "child" that Satan actually thought of "devouring", not a ceremony, but an actual birth.
It is fitting to they are at God's throne delivered there after birth, because the war Michael and the angels were settling was God's Kingdom heaven soveriegn issue, NOT Messianic issue.
The holy angels had herd those taunts for 5900 years at that time, they were done with Satan. That 12 "stars" as the "crown" of that "woman" exercised it's authority in heaven as well with the whole body of angels. Former humans have no issue in angelic sovereign issues.
BUT the 144000 WILL have issue with Satan usurping earth, that IS the domain of the Messianic Kingdom. At that time, like the angels with Michael, the 144000 with Christ will in similar fashion, hurl Satan to abyss from this secondary domain of Satan's overall sovereign challenge, as heaven is now cleared out, so will this universe be cleared out of those demon "heavens" of Eph 6:12.
That first event at Rev12:7-10 of course would be all the better to have the 12 also witnessing Christ, become "authority of God's Christ" in BOTH those Kingdoms, God's and the Messianic Kingdom at it's "foundation" event!
Makes sense, it was the ultimate burn for Satan to be beat up by "big brother" Michael and humiliated in front of the children, LOL.

You wrote.
Makes sense, it was the ultimate burn for Satan to be beat up by "big brother" Michael and humiliated in front of the children, LOL.

You post the doctrine of satan by your own admission Point.I'm still waiting,almost 5 months now for you to answer this question.

Did you find that verse of scripture yet to show YOU are not "in a state of falsehood and plainly exposed idolatries errors you have accepted as truth" to amply prove the watch tower heresy that Jesus was resurrected only as a spiritual being?
While the Holy Bible tells us in Luke 24v39.Jesus himself said.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Remember,you said yourself if its not of God then it must be from Satan.

Where is this basic teaching of the watch tower to be found in Holy Scripture, Point?

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little lamb wrote:

Someone who has a fruit tree should explain to 'city' people what FIRST FRUITS are..
They are not the whole crop
They are fruit that ripens earlier then other fruit
However the fruit whether it ripens first or second is still on the SAME TREE..it all gets the SAME nourishment and water
You don't water the one lot of fruit different then the second crop ..
What the org has done is taken all the water and nourishment that Jesus as the olive tree sends to the fruit..and says thats not for this lot but only for that lot...You can see how ridiculous it is, if you have a fruit tree and know about first fruits and second crop..

The churches main product is the "heaven" package. It sells extremely well, because it appeals to collect those guided by ego predominantly, it is a fantasy that will never come true as the church sells it.

So, logically they are NOT going to start spreading the truth of the 144000, that limits the product they sell.

And they are not going to offer the truth of the earthly paradise as well, that also limits the heaven product sales, and it removes the handy hell-fire "alternative destination".

So, that exposed and easy to figure out racket, is why they promote known falsehoods, they are in it for money and fantasy sales while on earth, the only place they ever will see.

And that is why when we examine their purposely lobotomized logic, we see it never quite cross references the whole bible, it actually is contradicted in many places in the bible, because it simply is not a biblical truth.

In that lobotomy they keep people dumbed down, like drugged cows, to milk them their whole life, then send them off to "heaven", when in fact they are a "man of lawlessness" profiteering racket at multi-billion dollar global level.

Now how did they get to that scale? Because the con is appealing, people eat it up like ear candy. UNTIL the actually take the time to READ the bible, NOT the selected "ear tickling" texts that put them into a coma for their whole lives.

Obviously the Devil has to be the actual spirit sedative in operation in this error, and that is what Paul IDs for us by inspiration:

(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). . .But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.

Obviously a racket such as this is condemned by God in it's end, it is unrighteous, but it is a "bag" God also takes out the "bad fruit" in as well, He permits it because these people love a lie, a lie by now well demonstrated as a racket.

Uncanny indeed.

[rachel123]

20571point428571 wrote:

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The churches main product is the "heaven" package. It sells extremely well, because it appeals to collect those guided by ego predominantly, it is a fantasy that will never come true as the church sells it.
So, logically they are NOT going to start spreading the truth of the 144000, that limits the product they sell.
And they are not going to offer the truth of the earthly paradise as well, that also limits the heaven product sales, and it removes the handy hell-fire "alternative destination".
So, that exposed and easy to figure out racket, is why they promote known falsehoods, they are in it for money and fantasy sales while on earth, the only place they ever will see.
And that is why when we examine their purposely lobotomized logic, we see it never quite cross references the whole bible, it actually is contradicted in many places in the bible, because it simply is not a biblical truth.
In that lobotomy they keep people dumbed down, like drugged cows, to milk them their whole life, then send them off to "heaven", when in fact they are a "man of lawlessness" profiteering racket at multi-billion dollar global level.
Now how did they get to that scale? Because the con is appealing, people eat it up like ear candy. UNTIL the actually take the time to READ the bible, NOT the selected "ear tickling" texts that put them into a coma for their whole lives.
Obviously the Devil has to be the actual spirit sedative in operation in this error, and that is what Paul IDs for us by inspiration:
(2 Thessalonians 2:9-12). . .But the lawless one’s presence is according to the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and portents 10 and with every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11 So that is why God lets an operation of error go to them, that they may get to believing the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.
Obviously a racket such as this is condemned by God in it's end, it is unrighteous, but it is a "bag" God also takes out the "bad fruit" in as well, He permits it because these people love a lie, a lie by now well demonstrated as a racket.
Uncanny indeed.

Iv'e been looking for you Point,still waiting for an answer to your claim that Jesus was resurrected only as a spirit being,and here you are posting this.
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He permits it because these people love a lie, a lie by now well demonstrated as a racket.

Uncanny indeed.

Jesus demonstrated the lie you and the watch tower love in

Luke 24v39.Jesus himself said.
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Remember,you said yourself if its not of God then it must be from Satan.

So where is this verse of Holy Scripture to show the watch tower teaching is not from satan?