Is conditional love a lie logically a...

Is conditional love a lie logically as it contradicts what LOVE is?

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“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#22 Jan 19, 2012
aadriver wrote:
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For ones who deliberately leave the organisation so they can enjoy a life of sin you are correct. However many leave the org every year because they no longer can agree with all that it teaches. It is totally wrong for witnesses to avoid that one simply because they do not agree with all that the society say.
"Making sure" of what one is being taught from the scriptures and leaving the obeisance to MEN that are promoting themselves more and more every year.....does not make to one following his conscience...a liar, a thief or and enemy of God. The men of the WTS insist that leaving THEM is leaving GOD....but the GB are not MY God....any more.

On their basis of their erroneous thinking AND teaching....the WTS takes it upon THEMSELVES to cause divisions and to rule with their conditional love....which is definitely NOT the love Jesus preached. Sad that the very misled JWs cannot understand how badly they are being deceived.
bystander no more

Sacramento, CA

#23 Jan 19, 2012
aadriver wrote:
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For ones who deliberately leave the organisation so they can enjoy a life of sin you are correct. However many leave the org every year because they no longer can agree with all that it teaches. It is totally wrong for witnesses to avoid that one simply because they do not agree with all that the society say.
"Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God...If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 9-11)

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#24 Jan 19, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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"Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God...If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 9-11)
would pushing ahead be using information obtained from occult sources to give your church an advantage over others?

Here is an interesting article on the history of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses involvement with the occult:

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/ruthoccult.html

conditional love as taught by the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is not from GOD!

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#25 Jan 20, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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"Everyone that pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God...If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." (2 John 9-11)
The Apostle John was not talking about ones who could not accept words from an organisation that had been proved to be speaking wrong words or ideas. That is why many leave. Many ex witnesses still have a strong faith in God and Jesus, they just can no longer follow a religion that teaches some things that are not in the bible.
You need to read the bible in context, not just pick out the odd scripture that you think backs up your view.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#26 Jan 22, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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you have a better estimate of people than I do. I think selfishness is the crux of most things. Even the things that appear loving often have a selfish reason behind them. I usually hope for the best, but expect the worst.
The witnesses have themselves convinced that their love is Agape love, principled love in Greek. The problem is, they let men set up the parameters, of what that is. In the long run they fall horribly short.
sidgi
Look at it this way. Consider the idea that we have two aspects of our being. We have the fleshly, or biological, and we have the spiritual as many mystics including Jesus have said. The fleshly mind is of course selfish and focused on personal survival but not entirely, it is also focused on species survival. The salmon is a good example of this but we are not that much removed from the salmon, controlled by it's biological drives. All in all it's how we become conscious enough to take the quantum leap in awakening to who we are.

If Genesis 1:27 is to be believed we are ALL created in GOD'S image. This would be the spiritual part of us quietly laying dormant waiting for the fleshly part to evolve sufficiently enough to awaken to it's existence. If you study historical Christianity prior to the Roman hoax you get a much different picture of what it means to be a human being that is amazingly in harmony with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos.

Just because the LOVE lays dormant in most of us doesn't mean it isn't there.

I say it's there and simply needs to be awakened in all of us!

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#27 Jan 22, 2012
Concerning the above post.

Actually it isn't the LOVE that needs to be awakened, I need to rephrase that a little, it's our personal awareness of the LOVE we all already share that needs to be activated.

LOVE is ETERNAL and is that which nurtures the awakening, or as some would call it, the rebirth of each of us as individuals as we awaken to what we have always been, Just as it said we are in Genesis 1:27 :

"27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them. "

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El Cerrito California

#28 Feb 18, 2012
We all need to become aware of the falseness of conditional love. Conditional love has been used for centuries to control people. It is not from GOD, in fact it can be logically demonstrated to be a tool of political control by the Patriarchal Religious Military Industrial Complex, or due to it's rejection of the OMNIPRESENT GOD at the heart of true Christianity, The Antichrist. In contrast to the conditional love (hate) of the Antichrist here is the LOVE we are to practice according to the historical Jesus:

Luke 6:27-36 (King James Version)

"27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful."

We all need to get informed as to the nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives, such as the pagan triune god of eternal torture, and the bloodthirsty god of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#29 Nov 3, 2012
It occurred to me that the reason the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses reject the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel and the unconditional LOVE that is at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus is based on just one word. The word "Armageddon" a word found in only one much disputed book of the bible that wasn't even included until the fifth century. On this one word they have built a sick and twisted cosmology based on hate, fear and judgment of men.

To put it simply, LOVE is against the religion of these poor misled people who are taught that 99.97 percent of the population, man. woman. and child are going to be massacred in a battle so horrible the blood will run through the streets three feet deep!

These are the kind of stories the unfortunate children who grow up in the organization have to deal with. And then they are told if they don't love this horrible god that he will have them hacked to death by his angels too!

In contrast the historical Jesus was asked what are the two most important commandments? Jesus said "To LOVE GOD with your whole mind, your whole heart, and your whole soul, and to LOVE your neighbor as yourself"

Getting to KNOW GOD as it clearly states in the unaltered scripture in most bibles at John 17:3 and LOVING GOD and your neighbor is all it takes to attain everlasting life.

And of course the conditional love of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and all of the churches that practice it, calling it love, is a lie! The very first lie that occurs is when it is called love!

It is not LOVE at all but judgment based manipulation using hate and fear.

Logically this means that religions that accept the lie of conditional love and reject unconditional LOVE are turning away from GOD as we can see clearly in 1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not GOD; for GOD is LOVE."

It isn't hard to see that LOVE is the answer. While the word "Armageddon" only occurs once in the whole bible, the word "LOVE" occurs more than 500 times!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
little lamb

Australia

#30 Nov 3, 2012
God is LOVE

And like any parent who loves his children, God disciplines those whom he loves

In fact scripture states " one who doesn't discipline their child doesn't love them"

But God states there are six things HE HATES
[1] Lofty eyes

[2] false tongue

[3] hands with blood shed

[4] a heart fabricating hurtful schemes
Feet running to badness

[5] A false witness that launches forth lies

[6] Anyone sending out contentions among brothers"

So God has stated " There is no future for anyone doing bad"

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#31 Nov 3, 2012
little lamb wrote:
God is LOVE
And like any parent who loves his children, God disciplines those whom he loves
In fact scripture states " one who doesn't discipline their child doesn't love them"
But God states there are six things HE HATES
[1] Lofty eyes
[2] false tongue
[3] hands with blood shed
[4] a heart fabricating hurtful schemes
Feet running to badness
[5] A false witness that launches forth lies
[6] Anyone sending out contentions among brothers"
So God has stated " There is no future for anyone doing bad"
How is annihilating people disciplining them?

You are mistaken little lamb, you are still basing your spiritual understanding on the Roman hoax of Christianity and ignoring the LOVE as is the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

If you strip away all of the additions made to Christianity after Jesus died you will find that unconditional LOVE as the foundation of existence is the essence of what he had to say.

What makes it difficult for people today is that Reincarnation was outlawed by Emperor Justinian in the fifth century and replaced with the addition to the hellfire and judgment doctrine to that of the god of conditional love of the Roman hoax. This was done as a matter of political expediency to increase the power of the Emperor.

When reincarnation is considered a reality as it was in Jesus' day, his whole message makes perfect sense.

You are worshiping a god of your own making, little lamb, that was created out of your own fear. Conditional love is not LOVE!

And as I pointed in my previous post, this scripture makes it perfectly clear:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

Accept the GOD that is real. little lamb. Accept the GOD that is unconditional LOVE as it clearly states in the bible.

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Odessa, TX

#32 Nov 4, 2012
We accept the truth that all human are sinners as a Christian's, and as such we need forgiveness, sometimes daily. That is our condition, this does not mean we accept sin, nor condone it, but it is a fact as long as we live in our flesh.

However, what we have a harder time getting is because we are sinners we live under laws of sin that created conditions of earn merit, our entire existence is gaining merit by meetings someone rules from family to work. Thus, our definition of love from sin is distorted because we spend a life earning love.

But how does one earn God's love as a sinner that we don't deserved and is given to each of us without merit, freely? God first loved us, how? By given us a gift of the precious life of His Son Christ Jesus. He did not ask mankind if they approved of His love by their laws, or religions.

Subsequently, man took that upon themselves by their religions to dole out what God gave us without mans approval. Hence, humans have determined what rule of law God has a right to love someone, they have seated themselves in the judgment seat of God doling out, destroying their enemies.

However, God says there is no rule/laws against the fruit of His Spirit one of which is love. Love is acted upon by love, not law, subsequently, like the wind it can't be canned into a doctrine of laws so that each person has to show love by a religious law books. Having said that, we find that eternal life was given too the sheep by a simple act of kindness done to one of Christ Jesus brothers, not obeying some religion. Who can judge love? Who can judge the faith of another, only an evil person!

Law does not point up love as some believe it points up evil in others, what does love point up in others?

Read: The Timeless Truths of Love
http://www.nu-truth.com/File176.pdf

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#34 Sep 17, 2013
I am continuing this thread in the main religious forum here under a different title and hopefully clearer than my earlier writings :):

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/T4BLCOC3N...

I am not posting here in the Jehovah's Witnesses forum anymore other than to inform those who may be interested in what I have to share as I bump threads that interest me to the top from time to time.

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