I'm out ! I'm done!!!
BUDGIE

UK

#66 Dec 25, 2012
Jace wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow!!!!!!!!!!
Folks. We have an elder who has been assigned by the
Service Dept to post on this forum. Now that is deep!!
So when did you get your assignment from the service desk
And on the other hand he states..

Jedidiah wrote:
"I will not converse with him for he is a mentally diseased apostate".

mmmm I just gotta see this,!!.

Since: Oct 10

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#67 Dec 25, 2012
BUDGIE wrote:
<quoted text>And on the other hand he states..
Jedidiah wrote:
"I will not converse with him for he is a mentally diseased apostate".
mmmm I just gotta see this,!!.
just another JW troll trying to stir up trouble and create attacks against JW, makes them feel important, they contradict deliverately just to stir, childish really, but what does one expect from those that cannot really defend their own faith in an honest way.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#68 Dec 25, 2012
Isn't it amazing that the GB does not specify what it is those they deem mentally deceased are saying about the WT!

They just elude to the point that apostates are mentally diseased. they never bring out the topics, like the UN the child sexual abuse, the Malawi and Mexico fiasco, the false predictions, nothing, only that those that complain about the organization are mentally diseased. What a bunch of cowards, the GB of the WT are the biggest stumbling blocks for their own flock, and deny any JW to even question why!

The only thing that those that speak the truth is to continue to speak out against the wrongs of the WT and its GB, isn't that what Jerimiah did and others that were sick of the wickedness of the shepherds or leaders of his day.

let Gods word be found true!!
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#69 Dec 25, 2012
much happier now wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, but there is a guy on another thread that says he is Christ, So I think he outrank this elder.
Point well taken
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#70 Dec 25, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
1. WHO asked you to defend Jehovah's witnesses on this forum?
2. What responsibilities do you hols in your hall and in your circuit?
My guess is that you aren't even qualified to give a # 4 talk in the 2nd TMS and may not even be qualified to be a microphone mule during the Sunday Watchtower Study.
Am I wrong about that?
If so, please explain with references (self references don't count).
When I read his words I was like what is this dude smoking

He has been ASSIGNED tO post on this forum by the service dept we have gone from bible study GARETH to service dept assigned elders. Lol
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#71 Dec 25, 2012
Finallyfree wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate your concern, that's why I am fading. Bitter, yes you are correct. I'm just stunned at how I allowed this to go for so long. I truly am happier than I have ever been... I've gone thru some sad in my life, and seen already I am shunned, it shows the true colors of the jdubs! Wow when you ARE weak and don't go to meetings, NO ELDERS in the last 7 months to ask how I'm doing?!!! But it's ok! I see clearer , thanks to great videos YouTube ! And jw facts! I know emotionally this will be a long road! But I've been on long roads ... Self control, and watching my tongue. Thanks!:)
Great post
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#72 Dec 25, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
He don't know the history of some of us he calls "mentally diseased" because if he did then he wouldn't be talking that smack.
You got that right
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#73 Dec 25, 2012
BUDGIE wrote:
Jedidiah Wrote..........
"Let me add I hold a large amount of responsibility in my hall and indeed my circuit.
I do not speak to apostates but I have been asked to defend Jehovah's witnesses on this forum which is why I'm here"..
==========
So lets get this straight,,, You have been ASKED to come on here and talk to mentaly deseased appostates...Yeah ok...
folks ,, looks like we got another phoney Russelite to add to the fun on here.
OR it might yet be Gareth under yet another name..lol.
He just didn't think before he posted as to how ignorant he sounded

Glad you pointed out his foolishness

Great post man
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#74 Dec 25, 2012
BUDGIE wrote:
<quoted text>And on the other hand he states..
Jedidiah wrote:
"I will not converse with him for he is a mentally diseased apostate".
mmmm I just gotta see this,!!.
This clown isvalreadybtalking out both sides of his mouth in less than a dozen postbofbhis

Lol

Jw are so shallow
Transition

Netherlands

#75 Dec 25, 2012
Finallyfree wrote:
One of the most amazing feelings in my life! FREE from the TOWER! I'm not disfellowshipped. I didn't DA myself.. I faded! One day I'll convince my family how crazy this religion is! People J DUBS ... Do your research on the cd Tom you'll find the crazy crap on pagan rituals, toasting is bad but banging a Piñata is not??? Really!!! Can't play Chess ...it's stupid!
Well done to you! I left the Tower nearly 3yrs ago now and its takes an age to finally clear all the JW dogma from your brain, it is hard, not so much the guilt but the questions......Armageddon? Will i die, will i miss out on the resurrection etc etc etc.... The dogma gets deep into your head but finally you will flush it out trust me. Now i see so much clearer in my life and i am so much happier, i have developed a genuine honest personallity with such an easy outlook on life now!
Hang in there, it will be the best decision you will make in your life. The constant pressure and expectation that shadows your life whilst a JW will be completely removed forever leaving you in such a happier state!

Sadly i am left with the desire for that religion to collapse, i honestly wish i never knew anything about it or was ever involved. I hate it and would love for some of my family to be freed from their oppressive grasp! Happy new year my mate!

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#76 Dec 25, 2012
I decided to take a few minutes this morning, before anyone else gets up, to read this thread. I have enjoyed it.

First, I want to congratulate Finallyfree, Yeah! shouts of Joy! and happiness for you.

And Jace..., You remind me of the old cowboy movies, some great, powerful, and what other superlatives might be in order, come on this forum, they come in all boastful, prideful, arrogant, and etc., you, Jace, come riding up behind, jump from your horse, drag them off theirs,(that would be "high horse") and pound them.

Thanks Jace, and everyone for the enjoyable start to my wonderful Christmas day!
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#77 Dec 25, 2012
It is so
borgfree wrote:
I decided to take a few minutes this morning, before anyone else gets up, to read this thread. I have enjoyed it.
First, I want to congratulate Finallyfree, Yeah! shouts of Joy! and happiness for you.
And Jace..., You remind me of the old cowboy movies, some great, powerful, and what other superlatives might be in order, come on this forum, they come in all boastful, prideful, arrogant, and etc., you, Jace, come riding up behind, jump from your horse, drag them off theirs,(that would be "high horse") and pound them.
Thanks Jace, and everyone for the enjoyable start to my wonderful Christmas day!
Hey just calling like I see it
It is so good seeing others realize they got bamboozled and hoodwinked and not continuing to have that done to them

and they see it for what it really is

We all hawked books for a publishing company plain and simply
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#78 Dec 25, 2012
Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
Well done to you! I left the Tower nearly 3yrs ago now and its takes an age to finally clear all the JW dogma from your brain, it is hard, not so much the guilt but the questions......Armageddon? Will i die, will i miss out on the resurrection etc etc etc.... The dogma gets deep into your head but finally you will flush it out trust me. Now i see so much clearer in my life and i am so much happier, i have developed a genuine honest personallity with such an easy outlook on life now!
Hang in there, it will be the best decision you will make in your life. The constant pressure and expectation that shadows your life whilst a JW will be completely removed forever leaving you in such a happier state!
Sadly i am left with the desire for that religion to collapse, i honestly wish i never knew anything about it or was ever involved. I hate it and would love for some of my family to be freed from their oppressive grasp! Happy new year my mate!
Deep post

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#79 Dec 25, 2012
I love it when cult defenders claim that those who choose to leave the evil and wicked cult of Jehovah's Witnesses are mentally diseased.

Then I read the garbage published by the cult, and I realize who the real mentally diseased crowd is:

Watchtower November 1 1938 p. 324

There is no reasonable or scriptural injunction to bring children into the world before Armageddon, where we are now.

If that's now a good laugh, what is?

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#80 Dec 25, 2012
Children (book) 1941 p. 366-367

Armageddon is surely near, and during that time the Lord will clean off the earth all that is disagreeable. Then, by His grace we shall begin our life with a greater vision, and prolonged joy...From now on we shall have our heart devotion fixed on the THEOCRACY knowing that soon we shall journey forever together on the earth...We can well defer our marriage until lasting peace comes to the earth. Now we must add nothing to our burdens, but be free and equipped to serve the Lord...Eunice, my decision is made. I shall shun politics, religion, and commerce, and I shall avoid the cities...Our present duty is plain. We must now be witnesses to the name of Jehovah.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#81 Dec 25, 2012
Awake! November 8 1974 p.11

A great crowd of people are confidant that great destruction is imminent, which has been a major factor in their decision not to have children.

Since: Nov 09

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#82 Dec 25, 2012
BUDGIE wrote:
<quoted text>It's a war game ....crazy aint it....PHARISEES INCORPERATED...
Playing chess: The real danger of playing chess is it's military nature, the equivalent of the maneuvers enacted by little boys with toy soldiers. Awake!, 3/22/73, pp.12-14.
Awake 73 March 22 p.12 """the spirit of competition between players can lead to unplesant circumstances...in some homes tensions linger long past checkmate...Chess has been a game of war since it originated...the games conection to war is obvious....a play substitue for the art of war...there is a danger of stirring uo competition with one another even developing hostility with one another something the bible warns against....What effect does playing Chess have on one? Is it a wholesome effect?....there are questions regarding it that each one who plays chess should consider."""
Wow it must be true the G/B have spoken...
OH MY GOODNESS, you are kidding me. Its a game for goodness sake!! I guess soon they wont be able to play checkers either. Why in the world do they allow men to tell them that they cannot play a game? How about playing cards, soon they will say that has a bad effect on a person as well.(and I don't mean gambling game cards)
Governing Body Member

Monticello, NY

#83 Dec 25, 2012
All those hours you've been putting in are about to pay off, and it should be a wonderful day for you. Fishes love nothing better than swimming in a shoal and today is tailor-made for you. Everyone will appreciate your efforts and the rewards are immediate. You are sensitive, loyal and loving, so gather your friends and loved ones around you and just enjoy!

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#84 Dec 25, 2012
Pleiades - Jehovah’s Throne

From 1881 until 1953 the Watchtower believed that Jehovah resided at the center of the universe on the star Alcyone in the cluster known as Pleiades. And they new this because the Great Pyramid in Egypt pointed this out.

In the 50’s the Watchtower does a flip flop and tells its followers that it is “useless to indulge in unprofitable speculations” such as the ones it was making back in the 20’s. As usual the Watchtower uses the well tried method of distancing themselves from embarrassing flip flops by dismissing their earlier teachings by having it appear as a question from one of the rank and file witnesses. This way it appears to the reader that it is the congregational members fault for believing such nonsense.

The Watchtower November 1 1920

Some one asked me the other day: Suppose you should be here in 1925 what would you do? I said, I believe I will be home in the Pleiades before then ...

Reconciliation 1928 p14

The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;...

The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God.

Thy Kingdom Come (SIS vol III) 1891 (1903 edition) p. 327

And if we go back to the date which the Pyramid gives itself, and look for what that finger pointed to at midnight, we find a far sublimer indication. Science has at last discovered that the sun is not a dead center, with planets wheeling about it, and itself stationary. It is now ascertained that the sun also is in motion, carrying with it its splendid retinue of comets, planets, its satellites and theirs, around some other and vastly mightier center. Astronomers are not yet fully agreed as to what or where that center is. Some, however, believe that they have found the direction of it to be the Pleiades, and particularly Alcyone, the central one of the renowned Pleiadic stars. To the distinguished German astronomer, Prof. J. H. Maedler, belongs the honor of having made this discovery. Alcyone, then, as far as science has been able to perceive, would seem to be the 'midnight throne' in which the whole system of gravitation has its central seat, and from which the Almighty governs his universe. And here is the wonderful corresponding fact, that at the date of the Great Pyramid's building, at midnight of the autumnal equinox, and hence the true beginning of the year* as still preserved in the traditions of many nations, the Pleiades were distributed over the meridian of this Pyramid, with Alcyone precisely on the line.

NOTE: If you didn't believe this garbage, you were considered MENTALLY DISEASED.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#85 Dec 25, 2012
In 1932 the Watchtower claimed that "theory of gravity" is thoroughly in error and that electrical forces, instead, hold the planets in orbit and hold everything down on the earth's surface -- a remarkably ludicrous claim, even when compared to the limited scientific knowledge of the 1930s.

Given that Jehovah knows all things, do you think he would allow his ‘chosen organization’ to embarrass themselves and his divine name by making ridiculous statements like these.

Golden Age, 16th June 1926 p583

1926 [Flood may have been caused by all of the other planets being on one side of the earth simultaneously. God may have inserted the "youngest" planet Neptune on the other side to act as a gravitational corrective to make sure it cannot happen again]

Golden Age, 24th March 1926 p404

1926 "Negative Gravitation.. new discovery .. radiant energy .. radio-activity .. Many have wondered how accidents would be avoided during Christ's kingdom, since we are told that nothing shall then hurt or destroy. Most accidents are due to gravitation and its effects. Falling from airplanes.. may be avoided by an individual negative gravity device. Scientists tell us that there is enough atomic energy in a finger-nail to propel a battleship. The people of the future may carry a little of this energy around with them, and if they fall down an elevator shaft they can let themselves down easy. Then they can turn a little more on and go back up.

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