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Tao itness

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#1 Dec 29, 2012
Well no JW will address the wT deception in dealing with the obvious lie they do not fit the profile of Isaiah 35 and the hiway of holiness perhaps one will address another biblical deception. The great crowd in Revelation wears white robes and serves in Gods temple dat and night. This can only be understood that the crowd is of the preisthood. Why is it that the leadership of the JWs has never addressed this obvious oversight? Because it proves that their is not a religous hierarchy that is ruling as preists over the rest of the JWs. In fact it is quite possible the 144000 IS the great crowd symbolically. John HEARD a definate number of JEWS. Then SAW a innumarable crowd from all nations. 144000 is a multiple of 12 ,a number that symbolizes Gods arrrangement. 12 tribes ,12 apostles. Also 12 has been the nucleus of a Gods new spiritual arrangements. Jews symbolize His named people. Any thoughts since the 144000 are preists-and so is the great crowd.

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#3 Dec 29, 2012
Tao itness wrote:
Well no JW will address the wT deception in dealing with the obvious lie they do not fit the profile of Isaiah 35 and the hiway of holiness perhaps one will address another biblical deception. The great crowd in Revelation wears white robes and serves in Gods temple dat and night. This can only be understood that the crowd is of the preisthood.
Actually no. The priesthood are the temple:

*** Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you * are fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

*** Eph 2:20 being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;

*** Eph 2:21 in whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord;

*** Eph 2:22 in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.

And the "great crowd" worship God in and amongst the "temple" or the "anointed" Christians, because they are "one flock" with them.
Tao itness

United States

#4 Dec 29, 2012
Lannymac wrote:
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They addressed it, just to deceive JWs.
http://www.xjw.com/where.html
I was aware of this specific contraversy. Greatarticle ,thanks. What I was saying is they wear white robes and serve in the temple. 1st century Christians would ONLY understand this to be describing the preisthood. This is typical of the so-called slave. They argue over or split hairs over words,yet divert attention from the obvious context and meaning. JWs that have read this forum have no excuse. JWs who obey the 'slave' and never read anything that critisizes the WT May think they are doing Gods will and are never exposed to these obvious lies told by their leaders. May Yahweh soon tear the veil off this apostate organisation!
Tao itness

United States

#5 Dec 29, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Actually no. The priesthood are the temple:
*** Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you * are fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
*** Eph 2:20 being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;
*** Eph 2:21 in whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord;
*** Eph 2:22 in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
And the "great crowd" worship God in and amongst the "temple" or the "anointed" Christians, because they are "one flock" with them.
So you are saying that the temple in Revelation are the 144000 and the great crowd is the preisthood serving in it?

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#7 Dec 29, 2012
Tao itness wrote:
<quoted text>So you are saying that the temple in Revelation are the 144000 and the great crowd is the preisthood serving in it?
No, I am saying that the priesthood are the anointed Christians of the 144,000 and they are the temple (naos) and the great crowd serve in amongst them.

This is a spiritual temple made up of people - the priest kings of the 144,000. The "great crowd" serve in that "temple" by being one congregation with them.

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#10 Dec 29, 2012
Lannymac wrote:
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LIAR!
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof.
You are such an idiot. All you had to do was read the scripture I posted:

*** Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,

*** Eph 2:20 being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;

*** Eph 2:21 in whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord;

*** Eph 2:22 in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.

Here is another one:

*** 1 Pet 2:5 You also, as living stones, are built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Tao itness

United States

#11 Dec 29, 2012
The illustration Paul uses for the Christian congregation in no way means when Johns vision speaks of the temple it means the Chriatian congregation,to say so is missing the point of Johns vision. The point I was making is that the greatcrowd is being descibed as the preisthood. They wear white robes and seve in the temple. First century Christian Jews would have clearly understood this. So to say they wernt would imply Jesus was a poor communicator of this vision.Another point I was saying is I beleive the 144000 is symbolic of the great crowd. If you read the first post I make the case for it. Then prayerfully read that part of Revelation.John uses this style at least one other time in Revelation where he HEARS a symbolic representation of the Christ,then SEES Jesus. After prayerfully meditating on Revelation it seemed clear to me. So I looked on line and was surprised to find'that,although a minority,others have come to the same conclusion. We see two groups here since the prconceived notion has been placed in our minds by religionist trying to justify a two teir Chriatianit.

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#12 Dec 30, 2012
Tao itness wrote:
The illustration Paul uses for the Christian congregation in no way means when Johns vision speaks of the temple it means the Chriatian congregation,to say so is missing the point of Johns vision. The point I was making is that the greatcrowd is being descibed as the preisthood. They wear white robes and seve in the temple. First century Christian Jews would have clearly understood this. So to say they wernt would imply Jesus was a poor communicator of this vision.Another point I was saying is I beleive the 144000 is symbolic of the great crowd. If you read the first post I make the case for it. Then prayerfully read that part of Revelation.John uses this style at least one other time in Revelation where he HEARS a symbolic representation of the Christ,then SEES Jesus. After prayerfully meditating on Revelation it seemed clear to me. So I looked on line and was surprised to find'that,although a minority,others have come to the same conclusion. We see two groups here since the prconceived notion has been placed in our minds by religionist trying to justify a two teir Chriatianit.
White robes does not indicate being a priest, it indicates having their sins forgiven.

As far as "two tear" Christianity goes, it is well established in scripture.

There are a new heavens AND a new earth. So if people are going to heaven, people are ALSO staying on earth... two tier...

And no one can live WITHOUT Christ therefore those in heaven are Christians and so are those on earth...

The point about the "great crowd" is that they SURVIVE Armageddon.... therefore they are on earth where Armageddon takes place. They are the group that Armageddon is fought to save.
Tao itness

United States

#15 Dec 30, 2012
Anerin they wear whitee robes and serve in the temple-this would only be understood as the preisthood by 1st century Christians.

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#17 Dec 30, 2012
Tao itness wrote:
Anerin they wear whitee robes and serve in the temple-this would only be understood as the preisthood by 1st century Christians.
I don't see why. The Mosaic Law never mentions white robes for priests. In fact the only colour of a priest's robe I can find in the Mosaic Law is blue.

Besides, the Revelation prophecy was not meant to be understood by the first century Christians. The meaning was deliberately obscured.

I think you are inventing rules to suit what you want to believe.

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#19 Dec 31, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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I don't see why. The Mosaic Law never mentions white robes for priests. In fact the only colour of a priest's robe I can find in the Mosaic Law is blue.
Besides, the Revelation prophecy was not meant to be understood by the first century Christians. The meaning was deliberately obscured.
I think you are inventing rules to suit what you want to believe.
because Christ had not come yet, the white represents purity, cleansing, so its fitting I agree, cleansing by the blood of the lamb for all.
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#21 Dec 31, 2012
hey dont make fun of gareth aka anerian.. he thinks he is god! or the head of the org.. he knows everything about anything...not.. go sit on a tack gareth happy new year. maybe next year you will wake up or get baptized or stop posting this nonsense..
Tao itness

United States

#23 Jan 8, 2013
If you dont beleive me look at any picture of the preisthood in WT publications you are always linking to and all of them show the preisthood in white robes. Also it is the preisthood that serves in the temple. Revelation even calls it sacred service. And btw it WAS written for 1st century christians,You continue to lie to yourself in defense of WT doctrine. You are neither open minded nor logical and you love mens doctrines over Gods truth. You are blind,naked and pitiful while you blindly follow men who twist the scriptures for their own control over nothing but a cult that turns its followers into autotons.
Pharoah Ramses Lubricated

Middletown, NY

#24 Jan 9, 2013
Flattery, charm, and a sense of humor will gain favors for you as Venus dances into Capricorn. Pleasant relations with neighbors and people with whom you come in daily contact are favored. If such contacts have been troubled in the past, this is a good time to improve them. Some of your best social opportunities are right in your immediate environment.
Colonel Flack

Monticello, NY

#25 Jan 9, 2013
Pharoah Ramses Lubricated wrote:
Flattery, charm, and a sense of humor will gain favors for you as Venus dances into Capricorn. Pleasant relations with neighbors and people with whom you come in daily contact are favored. If such contacts have been troubled in the past, this is a good time to improve them. Some of your best social opportunities are right in your immediate environment.
Your brand of condoms were approved by the governing body.
sick of the cult

Marlinton, WV

#26 Jan 9, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Actually no. The priesthood are the temple:
*** Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you * are fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
*** Eph 2:20 being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone;
*** Eph 2:21 in whom the whole building, fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord;
*** Eph 2:22 in whom you also are built together for a habitation of God in the Spirit.
And the "great crowd" worship God in and amongst the "temple" or the "anointed" Christians, because they are "one flock" with them.
Hey A, You may not have heard of it but back in thea early 1500s there was an event called the REformation. A priest named Martin Luther rebelled against the religious practices of the Roman Catholic Church. One of his great conclusions was that there was a priesthood of all the believers- not just the priesthood of the RCC. That is settled doctrine coming out of the Reformation.

There is no class system taught in scripture concerning Christians- we are equal at the foot of the Cross. We may have different spiritual gifts but we are equal parts of the body of Christ. We are all anointed by the Holy Spirit at the time of the new birth (Romans 8:15,16)
Tao itness

United States

#27 Jan 9, 2013
The teaching by the watchtower on this subject,weather I'm right or wrong in my exegis,is dead wrong. To cover their tracks ,they claim the grat crowd in heaven in chap 19 are angels! Yet they sing a song about salvation just like the great crowd in chap 7!
Pharoah Ramses Lubricated

Middletown, NY

#28 Jan 10, 2013
You may not have wanted to let yourself believe it, but deep down you knew that this day would come. A project you were in charge of reaches its completion date, and the good news of its success is yours to share with everyone. Be sure to keep your lines of inquiry open, because you never know what kind of useful information will turn up. Make sure you also listen to your body throughout the day so that its needs won't become distracting.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#29 Jan 13, 2013
The WT teaches on the Truth of GOD's Word, nothing else.

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#30 Jan 14, 2013
Nomi wrote:
The WT teaches on the Truth of GOD's Word, nothing else.
If that is true Nomi, please show us where from the bible that it says Jesus would return again and go back to heaven before Armageddon. Also please show us where it says that an Organization created by men would save you. Also show us where it says that a religion would save you. Also show us where the bible says that Jesus was once Michael. Also show us where it says that we are not to celebrate Birthdays. Also show us where it says that when a person leaves their religion and finds Jesus in another church that they are to be DFed. I could go on and on, but I think thats enough for now. Just please find these scriptures that tell us all of this, and I will return to the organization of JW's. Please remember Nomi, it is your duty to save me, to bring me back if possible. If you don't try, my blood will be on your hands if you don't show me proof of the thing I have ask for. If these truths that you say the WTS tells only Gods truth on, it should not be hard for you to do this at all. I have ask you to do this before, never to hear a word from you on it.

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