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Since: Sep 09

Savannah, GA

#41 Nov 1, 2012
apple wrote:
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God does with his angels whatever he will. When he wishes he makes them sitting: sometimes he makes them standing: sometimes he makes them winds, sometimes fire. "The subjection of the angels is such that they must submit even to be changed into elements." "The angel said to Manoah,'I know not to the image of what I am made; for God changes us each hour: wherefore then dost thou ask my name? Sometimes he makes us fire, sometimes wind."' The emphasis, therefore, is not on the fact that the angels are merely servants, but that their being is such that they are only what God makes them according to the needs of their service, and are, therefore, changeable, in contrast with the Son, who is ruler and unchangeable. There would be no pertinency in the statement that God makes his angels spirits, which goes without saying. The Rabbis conceived the angels as perishable. One of them is cited as saying, "Day by day the angels of service are created out of the fire. stream, and sing a song, and disappear, as is said in Lamentations 3:23,'they are new every morning.'" For &#955;&#949;&#953; &#964;&#959;&#965; &#961;&#947;&#959; &#965;&#768;&#962; ministers, see on ministration, Luke 1:23, and see on ministered, Acts 13:2.
You didn't get this nonsense from your brief study with JWS. Me thinks we have a faker here.
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#42 Nov 1, 2012
Simply Intrigued wrote:
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You didn't get this nonsense from your brief study with JWS. Me thinks we have a faker here.
you are right, me not a jws.

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Since: Dec 09

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#43 Nov 1, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture.
I agree with this. I believe it often is discriptive or a condition. The term as regards an actual "place"...can only refer to the earth...where phsyical beings and objects,etc dwell. The dictionary describes it as "like a garden or park", which could not relate to Heaven where everyone and everything is invisible. The only way it could ever relate to the Heaven is as used to describe the perfect conditions that dwell there. The reason it can refer to the earth, is the fact the the "New Earth" will become perfect, or a Paradise.
You posted this in your original post:

"People sometimes use the word, but just what is it referring to, when used in the Bible?"

And then YOU post a definition from the DICTIONARY!

I said a paradise earth is not biblical and you just proved it is not!
NorthPeace

Camrose, Canada

#44 Nov 1, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture.
I agree with this. I believe it often is discriptive or a condition. The term as regards an actual "place"...can only refer to the earth...where phsyical beings and objects,etc dwell. The dictionary describes it as "like a garden or park", which could not relate to Heaven where everyone and everything is invisible. The only way it could ever relate to the Heaven is as used to describe the perfect conditions that dwell there. The reason it can refer to the earth, is the fact the the "New Earth" will become perfect, or a Paradise.
You said "Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture."

Let's go back to the top of the thread. Your query was about how the word "paradise" is used in the Bible.

Actually, the word "paradise" is not found in abundance. The vast majority of modern translations, the NWT included, have three references - all in the Greek Scriptures
Luke 23:43
2 Corinthians 12:4
Revelation 2:7
None of these references indicate a literal, earthly garden.

NorthPeace

Since: Mar 09

United States

#45 Nov 4, 2012
Paradise is used only in a descriptive sense as regards Heaven. Just as in Revelation it mentions various Jewels when describing GOD's Throne. Physical things do not exist there...so the use of certain things that we know to be physical(and we are knowledgable of)helps us to appreciate those Heavenly things in a way we can understand them.

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Since: Dec 09

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#46 Nov 5, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Paradise is used only in a descriptive sense as regards Heaven. Just as in Revelation it mentions various Jewels when describing GOD's Throne. Physical things do not exist there...so the use of certain things that we know to be physical(and we are knowledgable of)helps us to appreciate those Heavenly things in a way we can understand them.
So you agree, it can't be proven from the bible.
Why

York, UK

#47 Nov 6, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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Why do JW's always use that excuse...ITS OLD LIGHT?
Gods word never changes but JW's teach it as old and new light.
Where is/are the scripture[s] that say[s] you can change Gods teachings whenever it pleases you and kick people out of the congregation because of their disagreement with that?
Such a retardation of scripture!
Gods Word is not to be changed in any way!
Proverbs 30:6 "Add nothing to His words that He may not reprove you and that you may not have to be proved a liar."
we never say God's word changes but we are Bible students using the bible as a guide 2 Tim 3;16 to set things straight...we keep going to the bible to refine our beliefs especially if we do go off track a bit because of human imperfection.

This is what the bible is for!!!!

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Since: Oct 12

Blessed city

#48 Nov 6, 2012
Acts 2:34, "For David is not ascended into the heavens..."

Since the apostles taught this truth after Christ died, this means that David did not go to Heaven even after the current New Testament age came into being. But does this mean that nobody has ascended to Heaven? Well, even Christ himself taught about heavenly things (John 3:12), and He said that nobody ascends up to heaven:

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Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#49 Nov 6, 2012
When the cult starts to define words, which we already know the meaning...it's time to get out the Preparation H.

"paradise earth" is not a scriptural belief.

Here are the facts:

No Scripture says mankind will be resurrected onto earth!

"Paradise earth" is a key phrase in Watchtower literature, appearing over 1,000 times on the Watchtower CD Library. However, the term never appears in the Bible.

The word paradise is used only four times in the New World Translation of the Bible and each passage discussing a location refers to heaven.(Song of Solomon 4:13; Luke 23:39-43; 2 Corinthians 12:1-7; Revelation 2:5-7).
Why

York, UK

#50 Nov 8, 2012
NorthPeace wrote:
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You said "Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture."
Let's go back to the top of the thread. Your query was about how the word "paradise" is used in the Bible.
Actually, the word "paradise" is not found in abundance. The vast majority of modern translations, the NWT included, have three references - all in the Greek Scriptures
Luke 23:43
2 Corinthians 12:4
Revelation 2:7
None of these references indicate a literal, earthly garden.
NorthPeace
this is weak!!! And completely ignoring the etemology of the word paradise and the fact it is directly from the use of the word garden/" Pardis" in the Septuagint Old Testament used by the Greek speaking Hebrews.
NorthPeace

Camrose, Canada

#51 Nov 8, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> this is weak!!! And completely ignoring the etemology of the word paradise and the fact it is directly from the use of the word garden/" Pardis" in the Septuagint Old Testament used by the Greek speaking Hebrews.
This is about how the BIBLE uses the word "paradise" - go to the top of the thread; the poster asked how this word is used in the Bible.
Talking about the origins of the word is nothing more than an attempt to direct the discussion AWAY from the fact that the Bible's use of the word isn't as a literal earthly garden.
It's not my problem that the Bible's use of this word doesn't support WT doctrine.
NorthPeace

Since: Mar 09

United States

#52 Nov 8, 2012
I gave the Dictionary meaning, then how it is everr applied to the Bible. There are no parks, gardens, or tangible things in Heaven. Everything is invisible to the human eyes.
Mythbusters wrote:
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You posted this in your original post:
"People sometimes use the word, but just what is it referring to, when used in the Bible?"
And then YOU post a definition from the DICTIONARY!
I said a paradise earth is not biblical and you just proved it is not!

Since: Mar 09

United States

#53 Nov 8, 2012
No, I did not. I gave how it is apllied to the earth, in a physical sense...however, the use of the word regarding Heaven is only in a DESCRIPTIVE sense.
Mythbusters wrote:
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So you agree, it can't be proven from the bible.

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Since: Dec 09

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#54 Nov 8, 2012
Nomi wrote:
No, I did not. I gave how it is apllied to the earth, in a physical sense...however, the use of the word regarding Heaven is only in a DESCRIPTIVE sense.
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Where are the scriptures nomi?

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Since: Sep 12

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#55 Nov 9, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
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Where are the scriptures nomi?
When you ask the cult defenders for proof of the false doctrine, Paradise Earth, they start out by redefining words that everyone already knows.

It's a cult.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#56 Nov 10, 2012
Why did Jesus say he used illustrations when he spoke much of the time? Same principle, common logic.
Mythbusters wrote:
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Where are the scriptures nomi?
Why

York, UK

#57 Nov 10, 2012
NorthPeace wrote:
<quoted text>This is about how the BIBLE uses the word "paradise" - go to the top of the thread; the poster asked how this word is used in the Bible.
Talking about the origins of the word is nothing more than an attempt to direct the discussion AWAY from the fact that the Bible's use of the word isn't as a literal earthly garden.
It's not my problem that the Bible's use of this word doesn't support WT doctrine.
NorthPeace
the word paradise is directly from the bible's usage of the word garden specifically the prophetic promises of a restored earthly garden from genesis, Isaiah to psalms etc to ignore this is to take the word paradise completely out of it's biblical framework!

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Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#58 Nov 10, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Why did Jesus say he used illustrations when he spoke much of the time? Same principle, common logic.<quoted text>
SCRIPTURES nomi. You started this thread and used "bible" in the title. Where are the scriptures?
NorthPeace

Camrose, Canada

#59 Nov 11, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> the word paradise is directly from the bible's usage of the word garden specifically the prophetic promises of a restored earthly garden from genesis, Isaiah to psalms etc to ignore this is to take the word paradise completely out of it's biblical framework!
Stay on point. This thread is about how the Bible uses the word "paradise", not about the word's origins, etc. As we can see, in every instance the word "paradise" is used, it is not referring to a literal, earthly garden.

As the poster who started this thread basically answered her own question - the Bible's use of the word "paradise" is totally figurative, just used as a metaphor to describe heaven. THAT'S the "framework" for the Bible's use of the word "paradise".

Whether the Bible's "new earth" paradise prophecies are to be taken literally or to be taken figuratively is another topic for discussion.

NorthPeace
Why

York, UK

#60 Nov 11, 2012
NorthPeace wrote:
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Stay on point. This thread is about how the Bible uses the word "paradise", not about the word's origins, etc. As we can see, in every instance the word "paradise" is used, it is not referring to a literal, earthly garden.
As the poster who started this thread basically answered her own question - the Bible's use of the word "paradise" is totally figurative, just used as a metaphor to describe heaven. THAT'S the "framework" for the Bible's use of the word "paradise".
Whether the Bible's "new earth" paradise prophecies are to be taken literally or to be taken figuratively is another topic for discussion.
NorthPeace
huh! The origin of paradise is DIRECTLY from the bible! You are putting your own assumptions ahead of this. The prophesies in psalms and Isaiah are not figurative but definite Bible promises. Jesus himself said the meek will inherit the earth! was he being figurative?Eden was not a figurative Pardis/garden but a real
Place. The Lord's Prayer is about praying for God's will to be "done on earth as in heaven!"

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