The meaning of the word Paradise, as it is used in the Bible...

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Since: Mar 09

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#1 Oct 28, 2012
People sometimes use the word, but just what is it referring to, when used in the Bible?

“Bustin' Myths”

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#2 Oct 28, 2012
Nomi wrote:
People sometimes use the word, but just what is it referring to, when used in the Bible?
Not what the jws say it is, to quote you, "in my opinion".

Since: Mar 09

United States

#3 Oct 29, 2012
No takers?
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#4 Oct 29, 2012
You might find it a little surprising, but the Bible records that Paradise was in Hades. That’s right. Jesus spoke about it when He told the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.“So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”(Luke 16:22-23)

The truth is that Scripture supports that Hades included both hell AND heaven (Abraham’s bosom, or what Jesus and many of the everyday Jews of his day referred to as Paradise). According to Jesus, in between the two was “A great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.”(Luke 16:26)

There’s even more biblical evidence that Paradise may not have been in heaven at that time. Remember, just three days after Jesus told the thief that he would be in Paradise with Him, He asked Mary Magdalene, who first saw Him in resurrected form,“Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the My Father.”(John 20:17) If had not yet ascended to the Father, then Paradise was not located in heaven.

It certainly makes you think, doesn’t it? Even more thought provoking is what Paul said to the Church at Corinth. Paul also referred to Paradise, but spoke of it synonymously with the third heaven.“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up in the third heaven. And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows – how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”(II Corinthians 12:2-4)

Could it be that there were two places called Paradise? I don’t think so. However, I admit that what I do believe cannot be found in Scripture except to say that some very strange things happened between the death of Jesus and His resurrection, not the least of which is that He went to the very jaws of hell to make sure that we could have victory over sin and death.
SusieB

Richland, WA

#5 Oct 30, 2012
apple wrote:
You might find it a little surprising, but the Bible records that Paradise was in Hades. That’s right. Jesus spoke about it when He told the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.“So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”(Luke 16:22-23)
The truth is that Scripture supports that Hades included both hell AND heaven (Abraham’s bosom, or what Jesus and many of the everyday Jews of his day referred to as Paradise). According to Jesus, in between the two was “A great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.”(Luke 16:26)
There’s even more biblical evidence that Paradise may not have been in heaven at that time. Remember, just three days after Jesus told the thief that he would be in Paradise with Him, He asked Mary Magdalene, who first saw Him in resurrected form,“Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the My Father.”(John 20:17) If had not yet ascended to the Father, then Paradise was not located in heaven.
It certainly makes you think, doesn’t it? Even more thought provoking is what Paul said to the Church at Corinth. Paul also referred to Paradise, but spoke of it synonymously with the third heaven.“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up in the third heaven. And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows – how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”(II Corinthians 12:2-4)
Could it be that there were two places called Paradise? I don’t think so. However, I admit that what I do believe cannot be found in Scripture except to say that some very strange things happened between the death of Jesus and His resurrection, not the least of which is that He went to the very jaws of hell to make sure that we could have victory over sin and death.
Very interesting! I got into a discussion a while back about the Paradise of God and the Paradise of Man =)
I haven't had time to look into it further but its a topic I am interested in and will do some much needed research now!
Blessings to you!
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#6 Oct 30, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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Very interesting! I got into a discussion a while back about the Paradise of God and the Paradise of Man =)
I haven't had time to look into it further but its a topic I am interested in and will do some much needed research now!
Blessings to you!
thanks and god bless you.

the hidden paradise where the righteous dead are waiting for judgement.
Still Unbroken

Wausau, WI

#7 Oct 30, 2012
apple wrote:
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thanks and god bless you.
the hidden paradise where the righteous dead are waiting for judgement.
Excellent Topic..
I never could understand why the JW"S would add much about this Paraduse then Obsess over it rather than heaven?

I do now understand they made their bible for thier beleifs only and their followers were leaving and asking MANY questions about why much stuff that they were being taught Falsely, was Not in their King james bible? SO the Perverted GB had to do something fast and quickly make FALSE claims that they even all of a sudden knew Greek and Hebrew, in which was PROVEN later on in court they knew of NO such languages abd ecen tried to LIE on the Witness stand in court BUT did NOT het away with this.

I too, by useing the Satanic bible the NWT, learned a many FALSIFIED teachings UNTIL I researched their own Bible and found out I had been LIED to all these years..

Thank-You for the wonderful postings!!!!
apple

Singapore, Singapore

#8 Oct 30, 2012
Still Unbroken wrote:
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Excellent Topic..
I never could understand why the JW"S would add much about this Paraduse then Obsess over it rather than heaven?
I do now understand they made their bible for thier beleifs only and their followers were leaving and asking MANY questions about why much stuff that they were being taught Falsely, was Not in their King james bible? SO the Perverted GB had to do something fast and quickly make FALSE claims that they even all of a sudden knew Greek and Hebrew, in which was PROVEN later on in court they knew of NO such languages abd ecen tried to LIE on the Witness stand in court BUT did NOT het away with this.
I too, by useing the Satanic bible the NWT, learned a many FALSIFIED teachings UNTIL I researched their own Bible and found out I had been LIED to all these years..
Thank-You for the wonderful postings!!!!
you are welcome.

“Bustin' Myths”

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#9 Oct 30, 2012
Nomi wrote:
No takers?
Of course not, it's not biblical.

“Bustin' Myths”

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#10 Oct 30, 2012
It does not do to dwell on dreams and forget to live.
Why

York, UK

#11 Oct 30, 2012
Ackk more people who know nothing about the origins and etemology of the word paradise!

That it is from the Persian word Pardis meaning garden becoming a Hebrew word. Often used in the bible It is a direct biblical reference to the garden of Eden in particular the restored edenic conditions promised to Mankind on earth in prophecies such as Isaiah. The Jews specifically believed a resurrection to Eden conditions on earth.

In the Greek scriptures this place is simply refered to as paradise "god's garden on earth"
SusieB

Richland, WA

#12 Oct 30, 2012
Why wrote:
Ackk more people who know nothing about the origins and etemology of the word paradise!
That it is from the Persian word Pardis meaning garden becoming a Hebrew word. Often used in the bible It is a direct biblical reference to the garden of Eden in particular the restored edenic conditions promised to Mankind on earth in prophecies such as Isaiah. The Jews specifically believed a resurrection to Eden conditions on earth.
In the Greek scriptures this place is simply refered to as paradise "god's garden on earth"
Well thats a wonderful thought to me since I know nothing but a earthly home....BUT!
That would mean Jesus will be living on earth as will the criminal who was crucified next to Him.
At least thats what Jesus said was going to happen if your GB/FDS are teaching that PARADISE is a garden on earth.
If not, then you have to agree that the criminal is going to be with Jesus in HEAVEN!

Just because the Jews 'believed' resurrected people would live on earth doesn't mean it is correct is it?
They also DIDN'T believe Jesus was the son of God...so do you believe that too?
Come on, where do the GB/FDS and you too for that matter, draw the line?

What if Paradise is the realm of both the earth and the heavens?
Why

UK

#13 Oct 31, 2012
SusieB wrote:
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Well thats a wonderful thought to me since I know nothing but a earthly home....BUT!
That would mean Jesus will be living on earth as will the criminal who was crucified next to Him.
At least thats what Jesus said was going to happen if your GB/FDS are teaching that PARADISE is a garden on earth.
If not, then you have to agree that the criminal is going to be with Jesus in HEAVEN!
Just because the Jews 'believed' resurrected people would live on earth doesn't mean it is correct is it?
They also DIDN'T believe Jesus was the son of God...so do you believe that too?
Come on, where do the GB/FDS and you too for that matter, draw the line?
What if Paradise is the realm of both the earth and the heavens?
the bible's usage of paradise/garden is very clear.

Jesus is king of paradise earth with the anointed, it belongs to him. One thing to consider that heaven is only offered to the anointed those who will be "kings and priests" alongside Jesus heirs with him in heaven.(Whether they will be able to visit paradise earth as our leaders the bible is silent on but I suspect they will because angels can and do biblically but this could allow for the "with me" that Jesus says as well).

His offering of paradise to the Jewish criminal is very specific and as a Jew the man would have known this was referring to the resurrection to an earthly restored Eden conditions. Why would Jesus offer something the man had a false understanding on? The restored earth to garden/Eden/paradise conditions is a specific bible promise not something that could be misconstrued. And Jesus knows he is referring to this promise when he talks to the criminal.

Jesus himself said "the meek shall inherit the earth"

We know the earth will be cleaned up we know "meek" will reside in peace forever upon it. We know we will have heavenly rulers, we know there will be a resurrection on it, we know there will be 1000 years of peace before a retesting of the resurrected.

Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture.

Since: Jun 11

Perth, Australia

#14 Oct 31, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> Jesus himself said "the meek shall inherit the earth"
There is no indication that this was meant as a condition to be fulfilled in the far future, rather it is a current message to show us the benefits now of being meek.
SusieB

Richland, WA

#15 Oct 31, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> the bible's usage of paradise/garden is very clear.
Jesus is king of paradise earth with the anointed, it belongs to him. One thing to consider that heaven is only offered to the anointed those who will be "kings and priests" alongside Jesus heirs with him in heaven.(Whether they will be able to visit paradise earth as our leaders the bible is silent on but I suspect they will because angels can and do biblically but this could allow for the "with me" that Jesus says as well).
His offering of paradise to the Jewish criminal is very specific and as a Jew the man would have known this was referring to the resurrection to an earthly restored Eden conditions. Why would Jesus offer something the man had a false understanding on? The restored earth to garden/Eden/paradise conditions is a specific bible promise not something that could be misconstrued. And Jesus knows he is referring to this promise when he talks to the criminal.
Jesus himself said "the meek shall inherit the earth"
We know the earth will be cleaned up we know "meek" will reside in peace forever upon it. We know we will have heavenly rulers, we know there will be a resurrection on it, we know there will be 1000 years of peace before a retesting of the resurrected.
Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture.
You could also be leaping to conclusions from mens translations and definitions/usage of the word.
It also takes into the defining of it [to mean], park city, walled enclosure, garden, domain and a few other similar in meaning words. In essence it could simply mean "KINGDOM" and probably does.
Now that is just my own "thought" and not from any other source.
Jerusalem fit that word also...a walled enclosure/domain.
I just have this feeling that Paradise is wherever Jesus is/goes and rules.
By the way, scripture does not give any account if the 2 thieves/criminals crucified alongside Jesus were Jews or gentiles; nor does it say where paradise is. Thank you for the reply.
SusieB

Richland, WA

#16 Oct 31, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> the bible's usage of paradise/garden is very clear.
Jesus is king of paradise earth with the anointed, it belongs to him. One thing to consider that heaven is only offered to the anointed those who will be "kings and priests" alongside Jesus heirs with him in heaven.(Whether they will be able to visit paradise earth as our leaders the bible is silent on but I suspect they will because angels can and do biblically but this could allow for the "with me" that Jesus says as well).
His offering of paradise to the Jewish criminal is very specific and as a Jew the man would have known this was referring to the resurrection to an earthly restored Eden conditions. Why would Jesus offer something the man had a false understanding on? The restored earth to garden/Eden/paradise conditions is a specific bible promise not something that could be misconstrued. And Jesus knows he is referring to this promise when he talks to the criminal.
Jesus himself said "the meek shall inherit the earth"
We know the earth will be cleaned up we know "meek" will reside in peace forever upon it. We know we will have heavenly rulers, we know there will be a resurrection on it, we know there will be 1000 years of peace before a retesting of the resurrected.
Paradise the restored garden is only used in reference to earth biblically to join it to heaven is a leap of speculation not supported by scripture.
Sorry, I forgot to ask what scripture you are speaking of where "Jesus" said the meek inherit the earth. Thank you :)
sozo

Caloundra, Australia

#17 Oct 31, 2012
Blue Danube wrote:
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There is no indication that this was meant as a condition to be fulfilled in the far future, rather it is a current message to show us the benefits now of being meek.
Agreed, you get an inheritances when someone close to you dies or has decided to pass on an item.
sozo

Caloundra, Australia

#18 Oct 31, 2012
apple wrote:
You might find it a little surprising, but the Bible records that Paradise was in Hades. That’s right. Jesus spoke about it when He told the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.“So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”(Luke 16:22-23)
The truth is that Scripture supports that Hades included both hell AND heaven (Abraham’s bosom, or what Jesus and many of the everyday Jews of his day referred to as Paradise). According to Jesus, in between the two was “A great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.”(Luke 16:26)
There’s even more biblical evidence that Paradise may not have been in heaven at that time. Remember, just three days after Jesus told the thief that he would be in Paradise with Him, He asked Mary Magdalene, who first saw Him in resurrected form,“Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the My Father.”(John 20:17) If had not yet ascended to the Father, then Paradise was not located in heaven.
It certainly makes you think, doesn’t it? Even more thought provoking is what Paul said to the Church at Corinth. Paul also referred to Paradise, but spoke of it synonymously with the third heaven.“I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up in the third heaven. And I know such a man – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows – how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”(II Corinthians 12:2-4)
Could it be that there were two places called Paradise? I don’t think so. However, I admit that what I do believe cannot be found in Scripture except to say that some very strange things happened between the death of Jesus and His resurrection, not the least of which is that He went to the very jaws of hell to make sure that we could have victory over sin and death.
NICE! Very well written.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#19 Oct 31, 2012
The meaning of the word Paradise as it is used by the Watchtower Publishing Company...

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Why

York, UK

#20 Oct 31, 2012
Blue Danube wrote:
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There is no indication that this was meant as a condition to be fulfilled in the far future, rather it is a current message to show us the benefits now of being meek.
he is directly quoting from psalms which is prophetically about the future event specially Jehovah's day...psalm 37; 11-13 meek inherit earth....his day

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