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#42 Oct 6, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are just following the Bible as best as they understand it. They use ALL the relevant scriptures in crafting their policy.
The Bible says that the congregation should appoint judges to decide when a person should be removed from the congregation...
*** 1 Cor 5:12,13 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges. "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves."
But not any old body in the congregation. Only people "of account" should be appointed to judge, therefore elders:
*** 1Cor 6:4,5 If then, you have to judge things pertaining to this life, do you set them to judge who are of no account in the church? I say this to move you to shame. Is not there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers?
And how many judges selected from among the elders are required?
*** 2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. "At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
And God will respect the decisions of two or three such individuals seeking guidance in Christ's name:
*** Matt 18:19,20 Again, truly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."
So this is what Jehovah's Witnesses do. If someone is involved in wrong-doing three elders are appointed to judge if the person should be put outside the congregation or not.
But there are other scriptures also that need taking into consideration. James teaches us the power of gossip and loose speech:
*** Jas 3:5 So the tongue is also a little member, and boasts great things. See how a small fire can spread to a large forest!
So it is wrong to examine possibly false charges in front of the whole congregation, threatening to ruin someone's reputation.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not have an agenda to discredit the way Jehovah's Witnesses do things like you do. They have a genuine RESPONSIBILITY and try their best to understand how Bible Christians are encouraged to enforce congregation discipline. So their policy is the result of decades of intense and sincerely prayerful Bible study.
Where is the Holy Spirit in all this?

When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all the truth. John 16:13
Truth of Christ

Mesquite, NV

#43 Oct 6, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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We always find out what they were disfellowshipped for anyway. It's not announced from the stage, but it's no secret.
Gossip is your excuse for the JW organization not following bible guidelines on shunning?

Can you offer scriptures that show gossip being used as a tool for handing down righteous judgment on others?
Truth of Christ

Mesquite, NV

#44 Oct 6, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are just following the Bible as best as they understand it. They use ALL the relevant scriptures in crafting their policy.
The Bible says that the congregation should appoint judges to decide when a person should be removed from the congregation...
*** 1 Cor 5:12,13 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges. "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves."
But not any old body in the congregation. Only people "of account" should be appointed to judge, therefore elders:
*** 1Cor 6:4,5 If then, you have to judge things pertaining to this life, do you set them to judge who are of no account in the church? I say this to move you to shame. Is not there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers?
And how many judges selected from among the elders are required?
*** 2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. "At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
And God will respect the decisions of two or three such individuals seeking guidance in Christ's name:
*** Matt 18:19,20 Again, truly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."
So this is what Jehovah's Witnesses do. If someone is involved in wrong-doing three elders are appointed to judge if the person should be put outside the congregation or not.
But there are other scriptures also that need taking into consideration. James teaches us the power of gossip and loose speech:
*** Jas 3:5 So the tongue is also a little member, and boasts great things. See how a small fire can spread to a large forest!
So it is wrong to examine possibly false charges in front of the whole congregation, threatening to ruin someone's reputation.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not have an agenda to discredit the way Jehovah's Witnesses do things like you do. They have a genuine RESPONSIBILITY and try their best to understand how Bible Christians are encouraged to enforce congregation discipline. So their policy is the result of decades of intense and sincerely prayerful Bible study.
None of those scriptures say what you are claiming they say. Are you really this misinformed on the scriptures or are you intentionally distorting their meanings?

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#45 Oct 6, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Can't take your word for it Karen. You have proven to be an unstable liar.
No one has proven me a liar, only in your weak mind, and Aneirin's weak mind. Show me one lie and prove it is a lie.

I started to add to that comment that you would come back with "I don't believe that", but decided not to, wish I would have now. Why don't you believe me, simply because I am an ex witness. Sad that you will not admit the truth about your religion. It will definitely not get you to heaven or everlasting life to follow mens teachings and call everyone but them liars.

Since: Nov 09

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#46 Oct 6, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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LOL, knew that was coming. I wouldn't call it gossip if someone reveals what happened. Of course you would though. Jehovah's Witnesses can't do anything right in your eyes.
Thats not true at all, JWs do have some things right and I have said that a few times, so you lied. Gossip is when people talk about things they should not talk about and why someone is DFed or DAed, or even counciled is no ones business unless it is told during the time its announced. Those who talk about it or doing it behind the persons back, so yes it is gossip. And we all know JWs gossip just like any other religion does.:)

Since: Nov 09

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#47 Oct 6, 2012
I am now leaving. Have much today this day.:)

Remember, Jesus loves you.:)

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

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#48 Oct 6, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are just following the Bible as best as they understand it. They use ALL the relevant scriptures in crafting their policy.
The Bible says that the congregation should appoint judges to decide when a person should be removed from the congregation...
*** 1 Cor 5:12,13 For what have I to do with also judging those who are outside? Do you not judge those who are within? But those who are outside, God judges. "Put away the wicked man from among yourselves."
But not any old body in the congregation. Only people "of account" should be appointed to judge, therefore elders:
*** 1Cor 6:4,5 If then, you have to judge things pertaining to this life, do you set them to judge who are of no account in the church? I say this to move you to shame. Is not there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers?
And how many judges selected from among the elders are required?
*** 2 Cor 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. "At the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established."
And God will respect the decisions of two or three such individuals seeking guidance in Christ's name:
*** Matt 18:19,20 Again, truly I tell you, that if two of you will agree on earth concerning anything that they will ask, it will be done for them by my Father who is in heaven. For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them."
So this is what Jehovah's Witnesses do. If someone is involved in wrong-doing three elders are appointed to judge if the person should be put outside the congregation or not.
But there are other scriptures also that need taking into consideration. James teaches us the power of gossip and loose speech:
*** Jas 3:5 So the tongue is also a little member, and boasts great things. See how a small fire can spread to a large forest!
So it is wrong to examine possibly false charges in front of the whole congregation, threatening to ruin someone's reputation.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not have an agenda to discredit the way Jehovah's Witnesses do things like you do. They have a genuine RESPONSIBILITY and try their best to understand how Bible Christians are encouraged to enforce congregation discipline. So their policy is the result of decades of intense and sincerely prayerful Bible study.
A close reading of Scripture makes it plain that JW's have added to the list of offences. These added offences are: manslaughter, lying, obscene speech, failure to abstain from blood, refusal to provide materially for one’s family, non-neutral activities, fits of anger, misuse of tobacco or addictive drugs, loose conduct, associating with a disfellowshipped person, and several activities that come under the “apostasy” umbrella and have to do with syncretism, like attending meetings of another religious group, working secularly for another religious organization, celebrating a religious holiday, and the possession of images or pictures employed in another religion.

Also, Paul tells the entire congregation of Corinthians that they themselves should be the judges of such issues and should gather together as a group to make decisions in this regard, whereas the leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses designate representatives to decide these matters for the congregation, and then the congregation is required to abide by the decisions made.

The witness congregation as a whole does not decide; they are presented with a fate acomplis by the elders.

Also, witness elders are exempt from having to shun. There is an elder who comes into my local pub on a regular basis and we often share a drink together. We've even had him share a New Years eve shinding with us.
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Rockport, TX

#49 Oct 6, 2012
Rutherford coined the WTS Great Crowd the excuse class! How appropriate, the WTS self-righteous judgment of the worlds religions, and governments, state publicly:

“Jehovah's Witnesses are just following the Bible as best as they understand it. They use ALL the relevant scriptures in crafting their policy.”

The merciful WTS members that stand before God with millions of lives destroyed over disfellowshipping stating Jehovah's Witnesses follow the bible the best they understand it!

Than out of the same mouth the condemn all other religion as evil and false for doing the same.

James 3:8 But nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. 3:10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?

This is proof that WTS members actually believe they have been made clean by their GB teachings, instead of the blood of Christ Jesus, or they could not make such absurd judgments without judging themselves first in needing the same forgiveness.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. 7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? 7:4 Or how will you tell your brother,'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye? 7:5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

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