“The proof is in the pudding!”

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#27 Nov 14, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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You cited John 17:16 in your question so let's see what John 17:16 says:
They are not of the world,
as I am not of the world.
John 17:16
Born again christians are influenced by different principles from men of the world.
Christians are motivated by the love of God and holiness.
Men of the world are motivated by the love of sin.
Know we are getting somewhere. What are some these principals you live by that make you no part of the world?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#28 Nov 14, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Know we are getting somewhere. What are some these principals you live by that make you no part of the world?
When a person calls on the name of Jesus and are saved a new creation is born. The believer is literally transferred from darkness into light, from old living that brought death to a life in Christ that brings new life on earth and eternal life in heaven. Though the evidence of the new creation reality may not be immediately apparent, believers have been perfected through the blood of Jesus and have the opportunity and the ability through Christ to make all things new in their lives.

There are two types of Christian believers, the carnal believer and the spiritual believer.

The spiritual believer lives his life not in the old dead nature, but he lives his life in the power of the Holy Spirit. The spiritual man, and every saved person for that matter, has two natures. The old fleshly adamic nature and a new spiritual nature. The spiritual man is one who allows Christ to rule his life. Jesus is not just present, He is preeminent. Jesus does not just reside in the spiritual man's life, He presides over that life.

The spiritual believer has a real, inner spiritual relationship with God. One who is living in a godly manner is attentive to the presence and power of God, obedient to His Word, and motivated by both love and deep reverence for God.

Many spiritual believers have a God-given tendency to be of service to their family, friends and community, doing their part to make the earth a better place to live.

Christians should be accountable to God for their thoughts, words and actions.

Since God created the world and owns everything in it, Christians are to be good stewards of His possessions, time and money.

The Christian principle of stewardship requires that Christians consider all aspects of their lives in relation to this principle and that they consistently resist being wasteful and lazy.

King David was an example of a spiritual believer. Although David fell from grace and became far removed from God his intimate relationship with God enabled him to get back into fellowship with God by repenting and asking for forgiveness.

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#29 Nov 14, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Know we are getting somewhere. What are some these principals you live by that make you no part of the world?
what makes you no part of the world?....being deceived by some wicked false prophets who talked you out of the blood of christ with a fake coming of jesus?

you adimit you are not even a part of the body of christ, and yet you want to instruct the body of christ?
dr fill

Mount Prospect, IL

#30 Nov 14, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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what makes you no part of the world?....being deceived by some wicked false prophets who talked you out of the blood of christ with a fake coming of jesus?
you adimit you are not even a part of the body of christ, and yet you want to instruct the body of christ?
Thats funny,Jw's say they're not part of the world so they dont vote or fight for our country or join the Y.M.C.A. yet when theres a free goverment program where they get goverment money the jw's are at the front of the line.Their leaders teach them to milk the evil goverment as much as you can but dont get involved in it like the GB did at the united nations for ten years.

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

Since: Sep 12

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#31 Nov 14, 2012
Myke Hunte wrote:
The coming space alien invasion will change the entire makeup of the world
It already did.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#32 Nov 14, 2012
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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There are over 32000 other sects that also call themselves Christian who you argue with constantly over minutia in scripture while you totally ignore the two most important commandments in the whole bible!

You seek converts by preaching hate and fear. the few that do join your church are already filled with hate and fear when they enter the door or they would not enter. You than feed their hate and their fear and keep them trapped.

Your organization truly is the blind leading the blind into the pit!
Good morning GPS!

Rather stunning words that when one ponders over....are quite on target to any who have seen the whole picture of how this cult operates! The two most important commandments to be observed and followed, are not YOUR thoughts....but those of the Son of the Most High God and the Creator of the universe....very impressive credentials, wouldn't you say?(And NO guesswork needed :o)

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and most important commandment. The second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as you love yourself.’....Luke 10:27

Since: Mar 09

United States

#33 Nov 14, 2012
Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of this world, and its functions. Thats why they do not vote, go to war, participate in man-made holidays, and shy away from habits that are notably are accepted as part of the "world", smoking...use of illegal drugs, do not indulge in Pornography, or music that endorses such, following fads, celebrate holidays(as mentioned), and are no part of the political system in any manner...there are other things as well. Their allegiance is to the Creator ID's at Psalms 83:18, thru his Son, Christ Jesus.

Since: Oct 10

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#34 Nov 14, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of this world, and its functions. Thats why they do not vote, go to war, participate in man-made holidays, and shy away from habits that are notably are accepted as part of the "world", smoking...use of illegal drugs, do not indulge in Pornography, or music that endorses such, following fads, celebrate holidays(as mentioned), and are no part of the political system in any manner...there are other things as well. Their allegiance is to the Creator ID's at Psalms 83:18, thru his Son, Christ Jesus.
some so called JW on here are very much involved in politics they seem to have a lot to say about the past US election, giving support to one candidate over another, sad isn't it.
stup

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#35 Nov 15, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
I'm a little throwed that no professed Christian is willing to share how they are no part of the world as Jesus said his disciples would not be.
Maybe this example can help you understand:

Ephesians 6:
1. Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise—
3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”
4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.
7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people,
8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.
9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
dr fill

Mount Prospect, IL

#36 Nov 15, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of this world, and its functions. Thats why they do not vote, go to war, participate in man-made holidays, and shy away from habits that are notably are accepted as part of the "world", smoking...use of illegal drugs, do not indulge in Pornography, or music that endorses such, following fads, celebrate holidays(as mentioned), and are no part of the political system in any manner...there are other things as well. Their allegiance is to the Creator ID's at Psalms 83:18, thru his Son, Christ Jesus.
I beg to differ Nomi,Mrs jackson is a well know jw and she celebrates all the holidays.Plus jw's take free goverment hand outs from the goverment they claim they arent a part of, thats strange hah?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#37 Nov 15, 2012
The only religions that I have seen actually doing the best 'job' at being no part of the world are the
Old Order Amish, Amish Mennonites and the Brethren Quakers.

The JWs could take some lessons from them about being no part of the world.

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#38 Nov 15, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
The only religions that I have seen actually doing the best 'job' at being no part of the world are the
Old Order Amish, Amish Mennonites and the Brethren Quakers.
The JWs could take some lessons from them about being no part of the world.
Like I said before, Jesus could not have meant isolate yourself from the rest of the world when he said you are not part of the world, how else could we follow his commandment to preach if he meant isolate yourself? So it means something more, and you pathetic opposers are doing a very good job at making me feel even more at ease as a JW cause none of you have been able to explain what Jesus meant yet. Strangely though, my sick cult offers a satisfying answer as to what Jesus meant, none else have done so. You would think that true born again Christians would have a satisyfing answer. Chained offered an answer, but he did not successfully answer the question.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#39 Nov 15, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses are no part of this world, and its functions. Thats why they do not vote, go to war, participate in man-made holidays, and shy away from habits that are notably are accepted as part of the "world", smoking...use of illegal drugs, do not indulge in Pornography, or music that endorses such, following fads, celebrate holidays(as mentioned), and are no part of the political system in any manner...there are other things as well. Their allegiance is to the Creator ID's at Psalms 83:18, thru his Son, Christ Jesus.
Says the jw with the halloween avatar.

http://georgiasgifts-catblog.com/tag/hallowee...
religion scholar

Mount Prospect, IL

#40 Nov 15, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Like I said before, Jesus could not have meant isolate yourself from the rest of the world when he said you are not part of the world, how else could we follow his commandment to preach if he meant isolate yourself? So it means something more, and you pathetic opposers are doing a very good job at making me feel even more at ease as a JW cause none of you have been able to explain what Jesus meant yet. Strangely though, my sick cult offers a satisfying answer as to what Jesus meant, none else have done so. You would think that true born again Christians would have a satisyfing answer. Chained offered an answer, but he did not successfully answer the question.
If I thought I was not part of this world and didnt want to honor or fight for my country or vote in elections I surely wouldnt take any free goverment handouts from them.I would be self sufficent and not accept a dime from them.The jw's grab any free handout the goverment offers."Ask not what your country can do for you,But ask what you can do for your country" (John Kennedy)

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#41 Nov 15, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Like I said before, Jesus could not have meant isolate yourself from the rest of the world when he said you are not part of the world, how else could we follow his commandment to preach if he meant isolate yourself? So it means something more, and you pathetic opposers are doing a very good job at making me feel even more at ease as a JW cause none of you have been able to explain what Jesus meant yet. Strangely though, my sick cult offers a satisfying answer as to what Jesus meant, none else have done so. You would think that true born again Christians would have a satisyfing answer. Chained offered an answer, but he did not successfully answer the question.
Is that your excuse for being part of the world? Oh we have to if we preach. None of the things you are a part of are needed to preach. You are part of what is convenient at the time.

“New one man.”

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#42 Nov 15, 2012
I also think you can look forward to JWs being allowed to vote in the future when someone threatens their right to go door to door.

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#43 Nov 15, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Like I said before, Jesus could not have meant isolate yourself from the rest of the world when he said you are not part of the world, how else could we follow his commandment to preach if he meant isolate yourself? So it means something more, and you pathetic opposers are doing a very good job at making me feel even more at ease as a JW cause none of you have been able to explain what Jesus meant yet.
Since I'm not a "pathetic opposer", maybe I can offer some perspective, because your question is more than fair, but I'm not sure how you ever expected to get a "successful answer".

The issue is you initiated a thread demanding to know how others deem themselves no part of the world.

But what you have failed to recognize is that everyone is - to some extent or another - part of the world. At varying degrees of involvement, some more than others, yes.

So it comes down to not "prove who is no part of the world", and more like "prove who is less part of the world than another", and that can be a slippery slope.

For just as we would say "well we don't vote, we don't go to war, we don't _____, we don't ______", there are others that can say, "well, yes, but you do involve yourself in, say, big commerce, and I, have a fundamental objection to that and I don't involve myself in big commerce in fact I marched on Wall Street in protest. You drive cars, I don't believe in polluting the atmosphere so I don't drive a car and only use green technology". Do you see what I mean?

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#44 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
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Since I'm not a "pathetic opposer", maybe I can offer some perspective, because your question is more than fair, but I'm not sure how you ever expected to get a "successful answer".
The issue is you initiated a thread demanding to know how others deem themselves no part of the world.
But what you have failed to recognize is that everyone is - to some extent or another - part of the world. At varying degrees of involvement, some more than others, yes.
So it comes down to not "prove who is no part of the world", and more like "prove who is less part of the world than another", and that can be a slippery slope.
For just as we would say "well we don't vote, we don't go to war, we don't _____, we don't ______", there are others that can say, "well, yes, but you do involve yourself in, say, big commerce, and I, have a fundamental objection to that and I don't involve myself in big commerce in fact I marched on Wall Street in protest. You drive cars, I don't believe in polluting the atmosphere so I don't drive a car and only use green technology". Do you see what I mean?
thank you for that. Yes, everyone, even JW's, in some way form or fashion is part of the world. Jesus did not mean the his disciples would be completely isolate themselves from the world. So what did he mean, how is a disciple of Christ no part of the world, when in some way they really are? You guys don't get it do you? The paragraph in the op explains it perfectly.

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

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#45 Nov 15, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
I also think you can look forward to JWs being allowed to vote in the future when someone threatens their right to go door to door.
LOL, not!? Our beliefs have been threaten before and we didn't take matters into our own hand by breaking one of our beliefs, try again.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#46 Nov 15, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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LOL, not!? Our beliefs have been threaten before and we didn't take matters into our own hand by breaking one of our beliefs, try again.
Duh-boy doesn't realise that JW's break one of their beliefes every time New Light is published in the Watchtower Publishing Company's literature.

He's a little slow.

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