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Can a practicing Jehovah's Witness be a Freemason?

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#1 Nov 27, 2009
Since the Freemasons believe in God and do many good works for charity I can see no reason why a Jehovah's Witness cannot belong to a Masonic Lodge. My grandfather was a Mason and several members of my church are Masons and I attended their lodge once when they had open house.

However, some churches do prohibit their members from belonging to the Masons.
Enlightened

Sullivan, MO

#2 Nov 27, 2009
Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow it. Which is somewhat confusing to me now that I know that so many of the pictures denote Masonic symbols. This is something I've not really checked into. But my husband was an elder for many years, and his father, who was not a JW was a mason. It caused a rift between them, because his dad wanted him to follow along with him and be a Mason. He could not as a Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's Witnesses are not to have anything to do with any organization outside of the WTS. They even frown on kids being part of school organizations.
little lamb

Australia

#3 Nov 27, 2009
Enlightened wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow it. Which is somewhat confusing to me now that I know that so many of the pictures denote Masonic symbols. This is something I've not really checked into. But my husband was an elder for many years, and his father, who was not a JW was a mason. It caused a rift between them, because his dad wanted him to follow along with him and be a Mason. He could not as a Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's Witnesses are not to have anything to do with any organization outside of the WTS. They even frown on kids being part of school organizations.
yes its every 'organization' but their own 'organization' but if one 'organization' is wrong then they are all wrong.
because they believe ' organizations' are what makes up the cosmos the world.
so to belong to an organization means to belong to the 'world'.
but the problem that they don't address is ' the WHOLE WORLD is lying in the power of the wicked one.'
there are no exceptions, so they compromised faith when they became a legal organization in this world. And its blasphemy to call an eathly organization by Jehovahs name.
wonder

Warrensburg, NY

#4 Nov 27, 2009
Enlightened wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow it. Which is somewhat confusing to me now that I know that so many of the pictures denote Masonic symbols. This is something I've not really checked into. But my husband was an elder for many years, and his father, who was not a JW was a mason. It caused a rift between them, because his dad wanted him to follow along with him and be a Mason. He could not as a Jehovah's Witness. Jehovah's Witnesses are not to have anything to do with any organization outside of the WTS. They even frown on kids being part of school organizations.
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and yet the guy who started the WTS.. either was or rubbed elbows ... with the Free Masons.. Even using they're symbols and knowing enough about them that it showed up in things he did. granted in the past few years . The WTS. seems to have dumped him and disavow that he was the founder.. Kind of Strange and not easy to cover up .the root stalk that it was formed on.. I think that their doing so was prophsied in the bible .. Will have to recheck.. Some how it rings a bell.
YHWH

London, UK

#5 Nov 28, 2009
No it is a pagan religion.

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#6 Nov 28, 2009
No but a freemason can secretly be a JW.
brother winston

Barbourville, KY

#7 Nov 28, 2009
noahsday wrote:
No but a freemason can secretly be a JW.
Kind of like "covertly infiltrate?"
brother winston

Barbourville, KY

#9 Nov 28, 2009
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
Since the Freemasons believe in God and do many good works for charity I can see no reason why a Jehovah's Witness cannot belong to a Masonic Lodge. My grandfather was a Mason and several members of my church are Masons and I attended their lodge once when they had open house.
However, some churches do prohibit their members from belonging to the Masons.
"While men slept, an enemy sowed tares among the wheat." No person who has sworn loyalty and fealty to something else can receive the Spirit of Christ, unless they repent and renounce that oath first.

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#10 Nov 28, 2009
wonder wrote:
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and yet the guy who started the WTS.. either was or rubbed elbows ... with the Free Masons.. Even using they're symbols and knowing enough about them that it showed up in things he did. granted in the past few years . The WTS. seems to have dumped him and disavow that he was the founder.. Kind of Strange and not easy to cover up .the root stalk that it was formed on.. I think that their doing so was prophsied in the bible .. Will have to recheck.. Some how it rings a bell.
Russell wasn't the first president of the WTS, was Henry Conley.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Co...

the WTS styles their image on Rutherford teachings, it was Rutherford that introduced an organization, along with all the rules.
YHWH

London, UK

#11 Nov 28, 2009
noahsday wrote:
No but a freemason can secretly be a JW.
No he would be pagan.

No one can hide from jehovah!
YHWH

London, UK

#12 Nov 28, 2009
Sister Helen wrote:
ONLY the Elders are allowed to join the Masons my dear.
Not according to The Bible:-

the adoration of pagan gods found in free masonry

"You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way. Exodus 20:7 commandment NO. 3 OF 10

What does the above Bible text mean? consider the following.
Is the Masonic use of the sacred name of God, Jehovah, blasphemous?
The great architect of the universe is called JAHBULON*, is this right and true but, of more importance does it have the approval of the creator?*An alternative is Ja-bul-on.

The meaning of the name is as follows:-
JAH - Jehweh, the God of the Hebrews.[Jehweh = Jehovah]
BUL - Baal, the Ancient Canaanite fertility god associated with 'licentious rites of imitative magic'.**
ON - Osiris, the Ancient Egyptian god of the underworld.***

*See 'The Brotherhood' by S.Night p.236-240 & The Secret Teaching of the Masonic Lodge p.119-125.

*Exodus 20:7 “You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave the one unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way."
*Leviticus 19:12 And YOU must not swear in my name to a lie, so that you do profane the name of your God. I am Jehovah.
*Leviticus 24:16 So the abuser of Jehovah's name should be put to death without fail. The entire assembly should without fail pelt him with stones. The alien resident the same as the native should be put to death for his abusing the Name.
*Deuteronomy 5:11 "'You must not take up the name of Jehovah your God in a worthless way, for Jehovah will not leave anyone unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.
*Psalms 74:10 How long, O God, will the adversary keep reproaching? Will the enemy keep treating your name with disrespect forever?

** Hosea 2:17 "'And I will remove the names of the Baal images from her [Israel] mouth, and they will no longer be remembered by their name. compare Judges 3:7; Jeremiah 23:27.

*** Exodus 12:12 And I must pass through the land of Egypt on this night and strike every firstborn in the land of Egypt, from man to beast; and on all the gods of Egypt I shall execute [adverse] judgements. I am Jehovah. compare Zechariah 13:2

As Jehovah has stated as above, he will remove the names of the false pagan gods from the lips of his worshipers, and by way of being involved in acts of worship to them by various rites etc. So it we are to remain faithful to his command we should not then mix them back with his Holy name today, or as he cut off his people in the past that went back to the false gods he will cut us off as well.

As Christians the following scriptural principle must be applied and followed.
1 Corinthians 10:18-22 "LOOK at that which is Israel in a fleshly way: Are not those who eat the sacrifices sharers with the altar? What, then, am I to say? That what is sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No; but I say that the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want YOU to become sharers with the demons. YOU cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; YOU cannot be partaking of "the table of Jehovah" and the table of demons. Or "are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy"? We are not stronger than he is, are we?" Compare Deuteronomy 32:17
wonder

Warrensburg, NY

#13 Nov 28, 2009
brother winston wrote:
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Kind of like "covertly infiltrate?"
. Yes, Kind of like Satan has infiltrated the WTS..
wonder

Warrensburg, NY

#14 Nov 28, 2009
YHWH wrote:
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No he would be pagan.
No one can hide from jehovah!
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Strangly, that thought doesn't seem to enter the mind .. of those that AREN'T serving God.
Nomi

Roanoke, VA

#15 Nov 28, 2009
Most groups such as the Freemasons, are linked to either polotics or false religion, or both. Any true Christian would not want to be a part of such groups. At best they usually have strange rituals that one would be best off to avoid.

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#16 Nov 28, 2009
Nomi wrote:
Most groups such as the Freemasons, are linked to either polotics or false religion, or both. Any true Christian would not want to be a part of such groups. At best they usually have strange rituals that one would be best off to avoid.
But don't the Witness clergymen (elders) have a secret handshake and don't they have a special initiation ceremony? They also must take an oath. As others have posted the founder of your church was probably a Freemason.
YHWH

London, UK

#17 Nov 29, 2009
wonder wrote:
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Strangly, that thought doesn't seem to enter the mind .. of those that AREN'T serving God.
It was the same in Noah's day also.

“be original :)”

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somewhere in england hehe

#19 Nov 29, 2009
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
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But don't the Witness clergymen (elders) have a secret handshake and don't they have a special initiation ceremony? They also must take an oath. As others have posted the founder of your church was probably a Freemason.
lololol I think you have OD'd on dan brown novels!

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#21 Nov 29, 2009
Reniaa wrote:
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lololol I think you have OD'd on dan brown novels!
Sorry, never read any of his books, but did see the film.

I gather from what everyone has posted all the Witness clergy (elders) are men. No girls allowed in the club.

But have you ever attended a Witness Clergy convocation Reniaa? Everything that I've read about them is that you have to be a member of the club to be admitted. The public is not invited. So how do you know what goes on behind closed doors?

“be original :)”

Since: Jan 09

somewhere in england hehe

#22 Nov 29, 2009
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
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Sorry, never read any of his books, but did see the film.
I gather from what everyone has posted all the Witness clergy (elders) are men. No girls allowed in the club.
But have you ever attended a Witness Clergy convocation Reniaa? Everything that I've read about them is that you have to be a member of the club to be admitted. The public is not invited. So how do you know what goes on behind closed doors?
Hi Kolchak

the "men only" thing with shepherds is totally biblical. No Christian faith can do it differently without going against the bible. Women being anointed and preachers is fine just not allowed to be overseers.

I think you would have fun finding out about mormons and scientologists. They do have a closed shop thing were only the high up men get the really secret info and I think they both do secret signs and handshakes and stuff.

Sccientologists - You learn we originated on this planet when an alien king called Xenu decided his world was over populated and brought them here to killed them in avolcano. they all died but they remianed as soul typen beings ccalled thetans that got bodies gaain somehow but also got pre=programmed to have new religions and forget about their former alien worlds. I kid you not!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

well thats what happens when you have a sci fi writer create a religion. but you only find out this secret stuff if you get in deep enough.

Mormons - to go one better than moses their founder joseph smith apparently got shown gold tablets by an angel which he wrote down and became book of mormon. He also bought some egyptian papyrus writers identifying them as the lost scrolls of abraham which he personally translated even though in 1835 hieraglyphics weren't decipherable then but apparently he could. they supported hismormon history but they got lost. Rediscovered again in 1967 with his notes on the back they were translated but weirdly found not to be the lost writings of abrahame but embalming instructions and funeral instructions for well to do egyptians.

http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/mormo...

If you do get high up and deeper into mormonism you get to know the secrets of their paradise heaven. which includes multiple heavenly wifes and loads of powers ooOO and you get to be Gods but only the high ups.

Again this is what you get if you have a religion born from a man who liked ladies and power.

Jehovah's witnesses are extremely prosaic compared to those. Our total commitment to God's word bible means for us there are no secrets outside of it. What you see is what you get. If the bible doesn't say it or have a principle on it, we don't believe it.

We have no secret codes or buyable masonic traditions you give us money we say thank you and thats it.

As a historical document the bible itself was put to the test when the dead sea scrolls were found. containing various bible books from hebrew scriptures these dated to a 1000 years earlier then many current copies and before Jesus so what was found?

"Dead Sea Scrolls - Isaiah 53
The Dead Sea Scrolls have provided phenomenal evidence for the credibility of biblical scripture. Specifically, the nearly intact Great Isaiah Scroll is almost identical to the most recent manuscript version of the Masoretic text from the 900's AD.(Scholars have discovered a handful of spelling and tense-oriented scribal errors, but nothing of significance.) "

1000 years differencce and only spelling mistakes.

Reniaa

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#23 Nov 29, 2009
Hi Reniaa. According to the Scriptures and history, women held leadership positions in the ancient Christian Church. I answered that question several months ago in my post on the Peculiar Terms used in the New World Version Bible.

Regarding the Latter Day Saints and the Scientologists, I don't doubt that they have strange beliefs and secret rituals. Nor is what they do in secret relevant to what the Witnesses do in secret unless you are hinting that one is copying the other. But since you can't attend a Witness elder convocation, you can't confirm nor deny what they do in secret.

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