$$$**HOW MUCH Doe$ CHURCH Co$t?
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#240 Jul 25, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
<quoted text>
.
. There is no Jehovah..in Jehovah's Witnesses.. They took the name.. And by passd his son..to do so.
LOL not only did they take the name in order to feel superior to others and now their own org has said that that name is not correct.
Do you see Gods' hand in this as a smack down for the arrogant. Just like the Conti case....God is taking a hand in a false religion that says they are His mouth piece. It will be interesting to see what comes next for the false prophets and false teachers.
TPMP

New York, NY

#241 Jul 25, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
<quoted text>
.
. There is no Jehovah..in Jehovah's Witnesses.. They took the name.. And by passd his son..to do so.
You are talking as a demon.

Since: Jul 10

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#242 Jul 25, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> You are talking as a demon.
.
So you say.. The demon says..listen to us as we ae the mouth piece of GOD.. Those that leave the church will die at Armageddon. We are the ark... And you bow to them.. How many times does GOD's tell you in his word not to put your faith in men..but try to remove youself and they disfellowship you..
Who's the DEMON here??? TRY again.


Pat

Channahon, IL

#243 Jul 25, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> You are being misled, Pat.
Plain and simple.
==========
The fact that you sat in a KH (even if only for one time) showed that Jehovah tried to reach out to you.
But, Satan has a hold on you.
Satan has a hold on me , have you looked at yourself ? JW teach a false and devilish doctrine thank GOD I knew enough Bible I caught it straight away and got the heck away from them .
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#245 Jul 25, 2012
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan has a hold on me , have you looked at yourself ? JW teach a false and devilish doctrine thank GOD I knew enough Bible I caught it straight away and got the heck away from them .
They can't fool those belong to Christ to begin with for Christ knows his people and keeps them safe from Satan's workers.
.
John 10:29 NIV
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
Pat

Channahon, IL

#246 Jul 25, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> They can't fool those belong to Christ to begin with for Christ knows his people and keeps them safe from Satan's workers.
.
John 10:29 NIV
My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
JW will never fool me .

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#247 Jul 25, 2012
Only in Christendom:

Boy, are they brainwashed or what?

http://www.morningliberty.com/2011/10/18/vati...



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Summerlin church weeps over loss of pastor, theft case
BY JESSICA FRYMAN
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 | 8:54 p.m.
Updated: Oct. 10, 2011 | 12:54 p.m.
St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Roman Catholic Church members learned Sunday that their pastor -- who admitted stealing $650,000 from the parish -- will not be back.

The parishioners wept.

"I hope you can all understand why Monsignor Kevin McAuliffe can no longer be pastor," said a letter from Bishop Joseph Pepe to the congregation at Sunday Mass. Many had begged for their leader's return amid the months-long federal investigation into fraud allegations they hoped were false.

The outpouring of emotion came not from feelings of betrayal, but for the suffering of their priest, they said.

"I feel hurt for him. That's where my tears come from," said Gloria Devlin, who has attended the church since before its chapel was built in the early '90s. "It's not hurt or betrayal or anything for me. It's for him. All these tears and anguish are for him. Something desperate had to have driven him to this. I'll pray for him every day."

McAuliffe pleaded guilty in federal court Friday to three counts of mail fraud in connection to stealing from several parish funds, including the church mission, gift shop and votive candles, from 2002 to 2010. He faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on each count. He also agreed to pay $650,000 in restitution. His sentencing hearing was set for Jan. 6.

BISHOP ASKS FOR PRAYER

Pepe's letter, the first detailed explanation to worshippers since the FBI started investigating in late May, asked that they support and pray for the monsignor while relying on their faith to find forgiveness. The church will dedicate its holy hour to prayers for McAuliffe at 7 p.m. Tuesday.

Pepe, who read the letter himself at morning Mass, straightforwardly outlined the pastor's guilty plea and explained that new procedures would help prevent future financial theft in the church.

McAuliffe, 58, had been a pastor at the Summerlin church since 1997 and was second only to the bishop in the Las Vegas Diocese. The priest is credited with leading the parish of about 7,000 families to become one of the largest Roman Catholic churches in Nevada, building its school and heading charitable outreach programs and ministries.

Even with McAuliffe's admitted wrongdoings, many reeled in disbelief Sunday. His name still topped the church bulletin as head pastor.

"This man's life and soul was this church," said Patricia Ehrenberg, who has been an active member of the parish for nearly 20 years. "How can you look at everything we have here and believe he stole from the church? I just can't believe it."

Others said that before McAuliffe pleaded guilty, they were convinced the allegations were a misunderstanding that would quickly be resolved.

"I'm believing it more now that we've heard a letter from Bishop Pepe, but it's still hard to believe," Devlin said. "We still love him very much."

While Pepe's letter conceded that parishioners likely felt "deeply hurt and even betrayed," members instead expressed sadness and worry for their beloved pastor.

"I feel very sorry for him," Ehrenberg said. "We need to pray for him."

(cont'd)






“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#248 Jul 25, 2012
(concluded)

CALLED A TEST OF FAITH

The members said they would be strong in their belief in God as they move forward. The standing-room-only crowd at Sunday's noon Mass seemed to be a testament to that faith.

Interim Pastor James Jankowski, who read the letter on Pepe's behalf at the after­noon services, said the congregation had "remarkable resilience."

"Your faith has been stellar," Jankow­ski said, noting that reading the letter was the hardest thing he has had to do. "I sincerely apologize for what Monsignor Kevin has done. It tarnishes the church. It tarnishes the priesthood. It can weaken our faith."

He said he hoped the incident served as a reminder that members could only put their full trust in God.

"I think we all have to remember regard­less of who we are or what we do, there is evil in the world. He may be a priest, but he's human," said Mary Elizabeth Low, who has attended the parish for 10 years. "I think we're a very large community and we'll stand together. It's not the priest, but the people that make the church. And who are we to judge?"

She said while she thinks the situation could be a large test of faith for some, she is hopeful the church will move forward.

The Las Vegas Diocese has already worked past a previous incident when the Rev. William Kenny was reinstated as pastor of Christ the King Catholic Community. He had been relieved of his duties in 2007 when it came to light that a sealed lawsuit centered on allegations that Kenny spent more than $300,000 of a parishioner's money.

PARISHIONERS WANT TO KNOW WHY

U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden said in an email last week that he couldn't discuss what McAuliffe did with the money, or if he even knew the answer to that question.

"I would feel a sense of betrayal if we get the truth that it was taken for bad or personal gain, but I just know that's not it," said Aldo Aguirre, a parishioner of more than a decade. "I do want the plain truth, though. If we ever find out, there will be a sense of closure on this very sad chapter for all of us parishioners at St. Elizabeth's."

Some parishioners worried that McAuliffe's thin frame pointed to a medical condition for which he used the money. Others questioned whether he took funds to help someone else in need. They said the priest drove an old beat-up Cadillac and donned worn-out boots, shrugging off the possibility he stole for personal gain. They felt the vast amount of time he spent at the church ruled out lavish vacations or a gambling addiction.

While parishioners were firm in their belief the money wasn't used for evil, it's a question they want answered: Where did it all go?

"There's an incredible sense of sadness and loss for not having our great leader here," Aguirre said, wiping away tears before they could fall to his cheeks. "Forgiveness is what we do. We'll forgive him, but the question is still there: Why?"

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#249 Jul 25, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
(concluded)
CALLED A TEST OF FAITH
The members said they would be strong in their belief in God as they move forward. The standing-room-only crowd at Sunday's noon Mass seemed to be a testament to that faith.
Interim Pastor James Jankowski, who read the letter on Pepe's behalf at the after­noon services, said the congregation had "remarkable resilience."
"Your faith has been stellar," Jankow­ski said, noting that reading the letter was the hardest thing he has had to do. "I sincerely apologize for what Monsignor Kevin has done. It tarnishes the church. It tarnishes the priesthood. It can weaken our faith."
He said he hoped the incident served as a reminder that members could only put their full trust in God.
"I think we all have to remember regard­less of who we are or what we do, there is evil in the world. He may be a priest, but he's human," said Mary Elizabeth Low, who has attended the parish for 10 years. "I think we're a very large community and we'll stand together. It's not the priest, but the people that make the church. And who are we to judge?"
She said while she thinks the situation could be a large test of faith for some, she is hopeful the church will move forward.
The Las Vegas Diocese has already worked past a previous incident when the Rev. William Kenny was reinstated as pastor of Christ the King Catholic Community. He had been relieved of his duties in 2007 when it came to light that a sealed lawsuit centered on allegations that Kenny spent more than $300,000 of a parishioner's money.
PARISHIONERS WANT TO KNOW WHY
U.S. Attorney Daniel Bogden said in an email last week that he couldn't discuss what McAuliffe did with the money, or if he even knew the answer to that question.
"I would feel a sense of betrayal if we get the truth that it was taken for bad or personal gain, but I just know that's not it," said Aldo Aguirre, a parishioner of more than a decade. "I do want the plain truth, though. If we ever find out, there will be a sense of closure on this very sad chapter for all of us parishioners at St. Elizabeth's."
Some parishioners worried that McAuliffe's thin frame pointed to a medical condition for which he used the money. Others questioned whether he took funds to help someone else in need. They said the priest drove an old beat-up Cadillac and donned worn-out boots, shrugging off the possibility he stole for personal gain. They felt the vast amount of time he spent at the church ruled out lavish vacations or a gambling addiction.
While parishioners were firm in their belief the money wasn't used for evil, it's a question they want answered: Where did it all go?
"There's an incredible sense of sadness and loss for not having our great leader here," Aguirre said, wiping away tears before they could fall to his cheeks. "Forgiveness is what we do. We'll forgive him, but the question is still there: Why?"
EagleEye~

So? A man sinned, his congregation are shocked and praying for him and working towards forgiveness. Kinda like Brother Random with a capital B standing on the stage and giving talks for years while going home and diddling is daughter. Of course, Brother Random with a capital B could also be an Elder with a capital E.

People sin. Catholics sin. Jehovah's Witnesses sin.

Corinthian
gollygoshgoodnes s

Somerset, CA

#250 Jul 26, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> You are talking as a demon.
Looks like she's talking TO one to me.
unlisted

Greensboro, NC

#251 Jul 26, 2012
corinthian.. she likes to take away what is happening with the org... but there is a site that has four pages of what jws have done wrong.

amazing she claims to be a devout jw.. but look at all the time she is researching about other faiths.... she has an obsession to put down other religions who have come forward and admitted to problems.. but when others post what jws elders and others have done she hides like a snake. makes one wonder if she really is a jw in good standing or if she and her other friend are disfellowshipped?

this is the whole focus of this .take away what is going on behind the doors of the org and throw stones at all the others.. but it was all the others that came forward and admitted..

yesterday a priest turned in a person because he told him he did something bad.. he had murdered someone.. the priest called the police.. there is change happening for the better ...

except for this org they are cowards who are hiding hoping this scandal will go away and they do not have to answer to their followers. this is what it comes down to.. they dont want the followers to know the dirty things going on.. i wish i could meet Miss Conti and give her a hug..

it is time to wake up and see this org is a mans club women are useless and used and abused by some and children are used and abused.. so they need to show the followers yes we have this problem and we need to work to stop it.. why don't they do this?? many of them i have spoken to did not even know about it. and they were angry.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#252 Jul 26, 2012
Unlisted said..except for this org they are cowards who are hiding hoping this scandal will go away and they do not have to answer to their followers. this is what it comes down to.. they dont want the followers to know the dirty things going on..

_________

this is true, they will hope like many politicians when their bad policies come to smack them in the face, that it will soon be forgotten, the GB will probably say somthing like yes a few problems happened but with Jehovahs help in answer to our prayers we have decided blah blah blah, and everything will carry on...

But those honest hearted ones, that really can see things as God does will be asking more questions.

My hope is that more come forward, because Jehvoah is a God of justice and many that have been abused and spritually stumbled need to know that Jehovah does care, that he is a God of justice. This is a huge problem for many lovers of righteousness.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#253 Jul 26, 2012
array wrote:
Unlisted said..except for this org they are cowards who are hiding hoping this scandal will go away and they do not have to answer to their followers. this is what it comes down to.. they dont want the followers to know the dirty things going on..
_________
this is true, they will hope like many politicians when their bad policies come to smack them in the face, that it will soon be forgotten, the GB will probably say somthing like yes a few problems happened but with Jehovahs help in answer to our prayers we have decided blah blah blah, and everything will carry on...
But those honest hearted ones, that really can see things as God does will be asking more questions.
My hope is that more come forward, because Jehvoah is a God of justice and many that have been abused and spritually stumbled need to know that Jehovah does care, that he is a God of justice. This is a huge problem for many lovers of righteousness.
I agree,ND, but JW's need to come to the realization that if the root is rotten the tree cannot bare good fruit and the root of the WT/GB is rotten as you can see from all the flip flopping that was suppose to be Gods' truth and it turns out it was not Gods' truth at all.There is no scriptural basis to believe these men ,who don't know Gods' truth from man's, have been picked by God. except their own say so and JW's believe them inspite of the warnings of God Himself to check all things.They do not check but accept what men say. They are false prophets and rotten from the bottom.
I believe God is fed up and is showing the foolishness of accepting what the GB say as though it was gospel, when scriptures say otherwise.
The only hope, IMO, is getting rid of the GB and all their man made rules, and get back to the scriptures alone.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#254 Jul 26, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> I agree,ND, but JW's need to come to the realization that if the root is rotten the tree cannot bare good fruit and the root of the WT/GB is rotten as you can see from all the flip flopping that was suppose to be Gods' truth and it turns out it was not Gods' truth at all.There is no scriptural basis to believe these men ,who don't know Gods' truth from man's, have been picked by God. except their own say so and JW's believe them inspite of the warnings of God Himself to check all things.They do not check but accept what men say. They are false prophets and rotten from the bottom.
I believe God is fed up and is showing the foolishness of accepting what the GB say as though it was gospel, when scriptures say otherwise.
The only hope, IMO, is getting rid of the GB and all their man made rules, and get back to the scriptures alone.
I agree Dee, they have to go, and JW be allowed to study Gods word, discuss it as spiritual Christians and grow, they baby us down so much its become an embarrassment. Control is their motive.
Prime

United States

#255 Jul 26, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> Ok, Pat.
Suit yourself.
ROTFLMAO! What a grown up answer! You truly are an idiot!
Prime

United States

#256 Jul 26, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
Only in Christendom:
Boy, are they brainwashed or what?
http://www.morningliberty.com/2011/10/18/vati...
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Summerlin church weeps over loss of pastor, theft case
BY JESSICA FRYMAN
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Posted: Oct. 9, 2011 | 8:54 p.m.
Updated: Oct. 10, 2011 | 12:54 p.m.
St. Elizabeth Ann Seton Roman Catholic Church members learned Sunday that their pastor -- who admitted stealing $650,000 from the parish -- will not be back.
The parishioners wept.
"I hope you can all understand why Monsignor Kevin McAuliffe can no longer be pastor," said a letter from Bishop Joseph Pepe to the congregation at Sunday Mass. Many had begged for their leader's return amid the months-long federal investigation into fraud allegations they hoped were false.
The outpouring of emotion came not from feelings of betrayal, but for the suffering of their priest, they said.
"I feel hurt for him. That's where my tears come from," said Gloria Devlin, who has attended the church since before its chapel was built in the early '90s. "It's not hurt or betrayal or anything for me. It's for him. All these tears and anguish are for him. Something desperate had to have driven him to this. I'll pray for him every day."
McAuliffe pleaded guilty in federal court Friday to three counts of mail fraud in connection to stealing from several parish funds, including the church mission, gift shop and votive candles, from 2002 to 2010. He faces a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on each count. He also agreed to pay $650,000 in restitution. His sentencing hearing was set for Jan. 6.
BISHOP ASKS FOR PRAYER
Pepe's letter, the first detailed explanation to worshippers since the FBI started investigating in late May, asked that they support and pray for the monsignor while relying on their faith to find forgiveness. The church will dedicate its holy hour to prayers for McAuliffe at 7 p.m. Tuesday.
Pepe, who read the letter himself at morning Mass, straightforwardly outlined the pastor's guilty plea and explained that new procedures would help prevent future financial theft in the church.
McAuliffe, 58, had been a pastor at the Summerlin church since 1997 and was second only to the bishop in the Las Vegas Diocese. The priest is credited with leading the parish of about 7,000 families to become one of the largest Roman Catholic churches in Nevada, building its school and heading charitable outreach programs and ministries.
Even with McAuliffe's admitted wrongdoings, many reeled in disbelief Sunday. His name still topped the church bulletin as head pastor.
"This man's life and soul was this church," said Patricia Ehrenberg, who has been an active member of the parish for nearly 20 years. "How can you look at everything we have here and believe he stole from the church? I just can't believe it."
Others said that before McAuliffe pleaded guilty, they were convinced the allegations were a misunderstanding that would quickly be resolved.
"I'm believing it more now that we've heard a letter from Bishop Pepe, but it's still hard to believe," Devlin said. "We still love him very much."
While Pepe's letter conceded that parishioners likely felt "deeply hurt and even betrayed," members instead expressed sadness and worry for their beloved pastor.
"I feel very sorry for him," Ehrenberg said. "We need to pray for him."
(cont'd)
ROTFLMAO! 28,000,000 clams says you're an idiot!
Snorkler

Port Elizabeth, South Africa

#257 Aug 3, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a lot of Catholic in-laws. I recognize the picture.
Those who have been so thoroughly saturated with it from birth are hard to reach.
Some of the former Catholics in our congregation had their eyes opened when they learned that the things they had been taught were lies.
One sister lost a 3-year-old son in death. When the Witnesses called, she asked them what they thought happened to him when he died. When she was shown the truth from the Bible, she was infuriated at her priest for what he had told her.
One brother said when he was shown the truth from the Bible about one thing the Catholics had taught him, he immediately asked himself, "What else have they lied to me about?" And the study was on.
Just keep praying for your mother that if there is any way to draw her to Jehovah that Jehovah will do so. Only Jehovah can scan hearts and see whether there is anything there, and he also knows the right time to start drawing a person to him.
Thanks for the Encouragement EE .
Snorkler

Port Elizabeth, South Africa

#258 Aug 3, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Satan says the same thing.
No he does not , in fact he says he sais he Loves the crucifix...here are the facts .

http://www.imosh.com/SATANINSIDE/pages/CRUCIF...

What you thinbk now Dee ?
Snorkler

Port Elizabeth, South Africa

#259 Aug 3, 2012
dr fill wrote:
<quoted text>Why does the wt org sell a gold cross on the internet? Didnt they get the memo that its an Idol?
And why do you Lie ?

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#260 Aug 3, 2012
Snorkler wrote:
<quoted text>And why do you Lie ?
They do sell Watchtower jewelry though. If a witness can wear this, isn't it the same as a person wearing a cross, wouldn't it be considered worshiping the Watchtower?

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