Why do JW brothers have no beards?
John

London, UK

#21 Jul 4, 2012
under cover bethel mole wrote:
<quoted text> Now if you were drownding and there were two people ready to pull you out of the water who would you choose the full bearded man or the clean shaven guy? Would it matter?
If you were drowning and a pedo jumped in to save your life... would you not want his help..?
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#22 Jul 4, 2012
these are corp rules-
at bethel for many years any white brother who worked in the service dept HAD TO BE COMPLETELY CLEAN SHAVEN, NO HAIR OVER THE LIP- LOL

BLACK AND SPANISH BRO COULD- but generaly speaking many of them did not

an appointment in the usa branch will not be given to a man with a beard

there was only one exception at bethel to a brother with a beard his name was leman martin a black brother who used some Majic shaving powder, left it on too long and burned his face

he was alloowed to grow a beard till his skin healed enough, leman used to work in on 3-5 in the bindery-

the society's position is it is worldly and it really got kicked off back with the hippie movement

jw wanted to distingush themselves and sorta like preiest not marrying even though many catholics will tell you IT AIN;T IN THE BIBLE IT IS NOW JUST ACCEPTED

SAME WITH JW no wearing a beard does not prevent one from being an elder due to qualifications, per the bible, but the wt has added its twist and it is kinda neat the way they have done this

at bethel and when i left we used to discuss this sitting around chilling many times

the question is ASKED how will the friends view a man with a beard?? will it bother the consciences of the friends and the answer is typically yes it will, but here is the kicker,, WHY DO THE FRIENDS HAVE THIS VIEW??? IT IS BECAUSE of the way the society via elders co do and in general dog it

so the wt has created a "culture" where it is looked down upon to have a beard, "NOT SCRIOTUREALLY MIND YOU' BUT CULTURALLY within the jw faith

it is like so many things in the org, THEY CREATE A CULTURE OF DISAPPROVAL THEREBY now they can cite it offends the friends and therefore it needs to be avoided

the wt literally creates its own POLICING SYSTEM
Jah Fan

Fishers, IN

#23 Jul 4, 2012
Jeannie francis wrote:
The beard is a conscidnce matter. Jesus had a beard, beards grow naturally on men, so jehovah mist have wanted men to wear beards. Paul said thzt he moght have the right to eat meat from a pagan worshipper but for the sake of those whose consciense was weak he wouldn't do so to avoid stumbling someone. For this very same reason is why men dont wear beards. Bro russel wore a beard.
African american sisters at one time couldnt wear their hair natural or braids. The caucasian friends think that black women hair is like theirs, but we would look just like the black brothers if we didnt process our hair.
God's kingdom is the only solution to these foibles.
A beard is not a conscience matter, because that would mean it might be wrong but the Bible says nothing specific so everyone must make their own decision. A beard can not possibly be sinful as Jesus wore one so there would be no point in following Him if He was a sinner.
Jah Fan

Fishers, IN

#24 Jul 4, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>A goatie is not a full beard, is it, I have seen them to but never a full beard no matter how well groamed, just not allowed here. we are talking beards are we not.
In the Midwest the brothers will not let you go out in service with so much as a goatee. They will make you shave before service. Somehow mustaches are okay, but goatees are the devil.

The WT hasn't said wearing beards is wrong since the 60s or 70s, but they allow the local elders to determine what the brothers can wear in each congregation. Jesus would not be allowed to preach in most congregations in the US
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#25 Jul 4, 2012
WE SAW THE same thing done with college

wt never forbide a jw child from going to college, they just created a CULTURE where it was unacceptable
ALL THE SPIRITUAL MINDED YOUTH AND PARENTS AVOIDED IT'

all the worldly jw kids and parents who lacked spiritual goals pursued it

this is the part about jw i enjoy sharing the most with nonjw, the jw CULTURE

i tell them its like racist country club group-

you don;t have to tell the membes in good standing IN PRINT that they can't bring a Black co-worker to the country club as a guest

for any member who does, while no one may walk up to him and say Joe your guest needs to leave you can be reassured that Joe will get dogged in many ways- lost of contacts, networking deals, business deals, invites to folks homes, he will get the shaft and yet NO ONE MAY EVERY OPEN THEIR MOUTH AND SAY A WORD

as the phrase is often used in situations like this

"it is just UNDERSTOOD"

a

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#26 Jul 4, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No one said they can't have a beard within the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses ..... some witnesses do ... it's up to the brother .... that blows your comment ... try getting your FACTS right
it is not a DF matter dear, but no brother I know of or ever seen has had a beard and been allowed out in field service they are counciled, I have seen goaties but never beards especially elders.
Jah Fan

Fishers, IN

#27 Jul 4, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
No one said they can't have a beard within the congregation of Jehovah's witnesses ..... some witnesses do ... it's up to the brother .... that blows your comment ... try getting your FACTS right
They wait to hammer home the made up stuff until you are baptized. You will never ever be used if you have a beard, ever. At least not in US especially Midwest.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#28 Jul 4, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>A goatie is not a full beard, is it, I have seen them to but never a full beard no matter how well groamed, just not allowed here. we are talking beards are we not.
A goatie is a beard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatee

So is a Vandyke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandyke_beard

I recommend looking up this watchtower which mentions about beards.

when inadvisable to not have one: w75 501

From early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally. But in speaking to a lady he was unable to do more than introduce himself, when she said:“I’m sorry, young man, I do not want to become involved in student revolt.” No amount of explanation after this sufficed to clear up the misimpression. After the conversation ended with the closing of the door, he asked the experienced Witness what had happened. He was invited to consider his appearance in relation to what he claimed to be, a servant of God. Not wanting to be responsible for even one person’s being stumbled so as to miss the way to everlasting life, this new Kingdom publisher shaved off his beard. Would you be willing to do the same or to make similar adjustments if your appearance gave the wrong impression in a certain community?

10 We must take into consideration that Jehovah’s people are under scrutiny by the world. The message of the Kingdom that they are taking to the people is sometimes judged by the appearance of those bringing it. There is the possibility that a Christian brother or sister dressed in a certain style might so attract the attention of the person at the door that the person does not pay attention to what the Christian is saying, or concludes that we are no different from worldlings in morals or principles. If this is the case, then the message bearer is defeating the whole purpose of his or her field service. We are called upon, at times, to sacrifice our own convenience, to a greater or lesser degree, according to the need, in order to avoid stumbling some. This was the attitude of the apostle Paul:“In no way are we giving any cause for stumbling, that our ministry might not be found fault with; but in every way we recommend ourselves as God’s ministers.”—2 Cor. 6:3, 4.

There is no hard and fast rule that the faithful slave have insisted upon in relation to beards. This is a myth. There may be some elders who strongly advise even insist that brothers in the congregation don't wear full beards or even neatly kept goatees or van dykes and they may do so because of comments and people possibly being stumbled in the ministry by them. That is up to each body of elders and how beards are viewed of in the local community.

There are brothers even elders in Alaska that apparently have full beards and they are in good standing with no restrictions or anything of the sort being implemented on them. This thread is just another ridiculous one where people actually have no clue what the faithful slave say about beards and in most cases do not want to hear what they say about them either but would rather try to make the faithful slave look like they set rules and laws that are ridiculous. The faithful slave are not in the game of making rules and leave that to Jehovah.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#29 Jul 4, 2012
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> A goatie is a beard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatee
So is a Vandyke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandyke_beard
I recommend looking up this watchtower which mentions about beards.
when inadvisable to not have one: w75 501
From early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally. But in speaking to a lady he was unable to do more than introduce himself, when she said:“I’m sorry, young man, I do not want to become involved in student revolt.” No amount of explanation after this sufficed to clear up the misimpression. After the conversation ended with the closing of the door, he asked the experienced Witness what had happened. He was invited to consider his appearance in relation to what he claimed to be, a servant of God. Not wanting to be responsible for even one person’s being stumbled so as to miss the way to everlasting life, this new Kingdom publisher shaved off his beard. Would you be willing to do the same or to make similar adjustments if your appearance gave the wrong impression in a certain community?
10 We must take into consideration that Jehovah’s people are under scrutiny by the world. The message of the Kingdom that they are taking to the people is sometimes judged by the appearance of those bringing it. There is the possibility that a Christian brother or sister dressed in a certain style might so attract the attention of the person at the door that the person does not pay attention to what the Christian is saying, or concludes that we are no different from worldlings in morals or principles. If this is the case, then the message bearer is defeating the whole purpose of his or her field service. We are called upon, at times, to sacrifice our own convenience, to a greater or lesser degree, according to the need, in order to avoid stumbling some. This was the attitude of the apostle Paul:“In no way are we giving any cause for stumbling, that our ministry might not be found fault with; but in every way we recommend ourselves as God’s ministers.”—2 Cor. 6:3, 4.
There is no hard and fast rule that the faithful slave have insisted upon in relation to beards. This is a myth. There may be some elders who strongly advise even insist that brothers in the congregation don't wear full beards or even neatly kept goatees or van dykes and they may do so because of comments and people possibly being stumbled in the ministry by them. That is up to each body of elders and how beards are viewed of in the local community.
There are brothers even elders in Alaska that apparently have full beards and they are in good standing with no restrictions or anything of the sort being implemented on them. This thread is just another ridiculous one where people actually have no clue what the faithful slave say about beards and in most cases do not want to hear what they say about them either but would rather try to make the faithful slave look like they set rules and laws that are ridiculous. The faithful slave are not in the game of making rules and leave that to Jehovah.
now your being picky I said full beard, a goatie is also frowned on. And as I said and others on here beards are not exceptable, they just aren't not here never have been especially for elders, and bethelites, and those brothers that go out in the field they would be councilled about it.

Didn't your read my post not in this country they are not allowed to have a beard and go out in field service and especially if they are elders or bethelites. OK
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#30 Jul 4, 2012
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> A goatie is a beard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goatee
So is a Vandyke. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandyke_beard
I recommend looking up this watchtower which mentions about beards.
when inadvisable to not have one: w75 501
From early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally. But in speaking to a lady he was unable to do more than introduce himself, when she said:“I’m sorry, young man, I do not want to become involved in student revolt.” No amount of explanation after this sufficed to clear up the misimpression. After the conversation ended with the closing of the door, he asked the experienced Witness what had happened. He was invited to consider his appearance in relation to what he claimed to be, a servant of God. Not wanting to be responsible for even one person’s being stumbled so as to miss the way to everlasting life, this new Kingdom publisher shaved off his beard. Would you be willing to do the same or to make similar adjustments if your appearance gave the wrong impression in a certain community?
10 We must take into consideration that Jehovah’s people are under scrutiny by the world. The message of the Kingdom that they are taking to the people is sometimes judged by the appearance of those bringing it. There is the possibility that a Christian brother or sister dressed in a certain style might so attract the attention of the person at the door that the person does not pay attention to what the Christian is saying, or concludes that we are no different from worldlings in morals or principlesmay do so because of comments and people possibly being stumbled in the ministry by them. That is up to each body of elders and how beards are viewed of in the local community.
There are brothers even elders in Alaska that apparently have full beards and they are in good standing with no restrictions or anything of the sort being implemented on them. This thread is just another ridiculous one where people actually have no clue what the faithful slave say about beards and in most cases do not want to hear what they say about them either but would rather try to make the faithful slave look like they set rules and laws that are ridiculous. The faithful slave are not in the game of making rules and leave that to Jehovah.
as i have sad many times a jw is burdened with rules up the ying yang

the local elders have rules, co have rules, do have rules and the society has rules and we havent even got to God rules yet

once again we go back to jw culture, NOT THE BIBLE MIND YOU

WE USED TO HAVE A DO that would not allow speakers on the assembly unless they had a white shirt

in the back of the assembly hall was a rack with a selection of white shirts

i saw a sister cry back stage cause of the length of her dress- during the walk thru before the program with the DO her dress was at her knees and he told her it had to be 2 inches below her needs and he based that on an article from an awake mag

i think the article was from Fig leaves to dresses , something like that don;t have access to my cd

much like the Boys in jesus day washing up to the elbows

in the year 2012 a preacher with a beard means nothing so don't keep talking about community standards what they mean are THE FEW ELDERS WHO HOLD POWER VIEWPOINT
Jah Fan

Fishers, IN

#31 Jul 4, 2012
GKR,

What about that article that has become gospel to most congregations do you think does not discourage beards to you.

I have been in 4 congregations. All of them absolutely forbid beards. I know that the surrounding congregations have the same rule. You can come to meetings, but these congregations forbid even going out in service.

Their explanation is always that it will stumble some in the congregation. 1) This seems to ignore the meaning of stumble (cause to sin) and replace it with annoy. 2) Is only an issue because you have taught them it is wrong.

Where in the Bible is anyone allowed to enforce arbitrary rules on the congregation especially ones that would disqualify Jesus from serving or preaching?

What about reasonable people who decide that a religion who does the above would be false religion and therefore refuse to consider to it and possibly any other Biblr based religion?

What about the people in the field who for whatever reason are intimidated by men who look like lawyers coming to the door and might be more open to a relaxed looking dude with a beard?

Well at least the 80 year old sisters at the hall won't be annoyed.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#32 Jul 4, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>
now your being picky I said full beard, a goatie is also frowned on. And as I said and others on here beards are not exceptable, they just aren't not here never have been especially for elders, and bethelites, and those brothers that go out in the field they would be councilled about it.
Didn't your read my post not in this country they are not allowed to have a beard and go out in field service and especially if they are elders or bethelites. OK
There may be some elders who strongly advise even insist that brothers in the congregation don't wear full beards or even neatly kept goatees or van dykes and they may do so because of comments and people possibly being stumbled in the ministry by them. That is up to each body of elders and how beards are viewed of in the local community.

#######

IN THE YEAR 2012 a man with a beard is not going to stumble someone, i love the wt unscriptural imposed rules--

i guess the pharaisis said folks would be stumbed if jews didn;t wast up to the elbows

typically its just a few major local players who make up rules like this, the rank and file could care less, its the elder and thier wives and co who generally make up these goofy rules

even among elders you can have a powerful elder that the others have to fall inline with

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#34 Jul 4, 2012
I think GKR is weaving a dream.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Weston super Mare

#35 Jul 4, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>that's ancient, he looks of tap actually are you sure its bethel or some asylum.
It's actually the London Bethel, 1967.
jace

Woodbridge, VA

#36 Jul 4, 2012
Jah Fan wrote:
GKR,
What about that article that has become gospel to most congregations do you think does not discourage beards to you.
I have been in 4 congregations. All of them absolutely forbid beards. I know that the surrounding congregations have the same rule. You can come to meetings, but these congregations forbid even going out in service.
Their explanation is always that it will stumble some in the congregation. 1) This seems to ignore the meaning of stumble (cause to sin) and replace it with annoy. 2) Is only an issue because you have taught them it is wrong.
Where in the Bible is anyone allowed to enforce arbitrary rules on the congregation especially ones that would disqualify Jesus from serving or preaching?
What about reasonable people who decide that a religion who does the above would be false religion and therefore refuse to consider to it and possibly any other Biblr based religion?
What about the people in the field who for whatever reason are intimidated by men who look like lawyers coming to the door and might be more open to a relaxed looking dude with a beard?
Well at least the 80 year old sisters at the hall won't be annoyed.
bingo

its like the boys in jesus day THEY LOAD THIER PERSONAL views upon others as if they are teachings of God

after awhile the culture of rejection is est and up and running

what is really a personal preference - becomes a congo matter
jackie

Southampton, PA

#37 Jul 4, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>it is not a myth those in your KH may be inactive brothers, or bible study one is not permitted to go out in field service with a beard, as for the elder with facial hair, that is not a beard is it, and am surprised that he has not been pulled up for untidiness, this is not my veiw but it is the WT.
Why you would say it is a myth is laughable if you are a JW you know that beards are frowned on and certainly no elder would have one.
Maybe it's differant in your Hall, but when my brother grew a beard they did not stop him from going out in service.

He just couldn't give a talk on the platform untill he shaved it off.
hMMMMM

Farmington, UT

#38 Jul 4, 2012
The same reason that other cults have their women wear prairie skirts.
Cult followers must all think alike and let their leaders dictate their every thought and move, that includes appearance.
John

UK

#39 Jul 4, 2012
Jah Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
They wait to hammer home the made up stuff until you are baptized. You will never ever be used if you have a beard, ever. At least not in US especially Midwest.
Being a Jehovah's witnesses is between God and yourself. Not USA and yourself. If a member of the witnesses want a beard, then you have one. It's each to there own. Nothing in the bible regarding you cant have one.....

I know brothers that have beards and still do Jehovahs's work, and thats to tell others. You know nothing...! Stop listening to others and research it yourself....

It states "they like clean" and feel some beards don't look as good on others, but it's up to the brother at the end of the day.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#40 Jul 4, 2012
Fact is, there has never been a ban on beards. For several decades, it was a social taboo, for reasons already stated. The world viewed beards as offensive.

The JW leadership has always taken this position as outlined by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:3-4 "In no way are we giving any cause for stumbling, that our ministry might not be found fault with; but in every way we recommend ourselves as God’s ministers, "

As people dedicated to putting the message of Jesus' Triumphant Kingdom in the best possible light, we have always sought to make ourselves as visually appealing as possible to the MAJORITY of people we may encounter so as to not ever even possibly be considered a cause for stumbling. 

In the end, we now view it as a personal matter, when it comes to the grooming of facial hair and beards. But we should always seek the advantage of those viewing us who have yet to accept the message... "We, though, who are strong, ought to bear the weaknesses of those not strong, and not to be pleasing ourselves. Let each of us please [his] neighbor in what is good for [his] upbuilding." Romans 15:1-2

We are known for our clean cut well groomed brothers. So mock all you want. This is a useless thread.

In some lands, every brother on the elder body will have a beard. And then in other lands, beards are still uncommon.I have heard of elders and servants in the US having beards and mustache-goatee combinations. Personally, I think this is a good thing. When people have the false impression that we have a rule about something which we really do not, that false impression causes offense and stumbling more than any beard ever would. Beards do not turn people away from the truth, but an ill-perceived list of pharisaic do's and dont's will. This is what the opposers on this thread are forming. A imaginary rule that the faithful slave have never set. They are making a strawman and then trying to attack that strawman.

Over the past 100+ years there has been changing trends and style of grooming by the brothers in the witness faith.

None of it based on any law by the faithful slave but from guidance set forth in the bible.

Jah Fan

Fishers, IN

#41 Jul 4, 2012
John wrote:
<quoted text>
Being a Jehovah's witnesses is between God and yourself. Not USA and yourself. If a member of the witnesses want a beard, then you have one. It's each to there own. Nothing in the bible regarding you cant have one.....
I know brothers that have beards and still do Jehovahs's work, and thats to tell others. You know nothing...! Stop listening to others and research it yourself....
It states "they like clean" and feel some beards don't look as good on others, but it's up to the brother at the end of the day.
Dude you are an arrogant turd for one who knows so little.

The Witnesses allow the local elders to decide whether the local elders can have one. The elders in most US congregations do not allow beards if you want to serve and many won't let you go in service. Unlike yourself I am not a newly indoctrinated study I have been a Witness for about a decade. For quite a while I shaved so I could have privileges. I know what goes on in this organization a whole lot better then some guy who who has maybe been to a meeting or two.

We know it isn't in the Bible. If it was I would happily shave and encourage others to do the same. The problem is the sheer mass of Witnesses I have spoken with who believe it is because the WTBTS has created a culture where it can be considered rebellious.

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