The false trinity doctrine.
little lamb

Australia

#3602 Nov 17, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>LL,..., would you then explain why it is that Jesus said that the least one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than John the Baptist? Mattew 11:11 "Truly I say to YOU people, Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is." THOSE people were listening at that time, and they heard that someone in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than John. How do you understand this scripture? That will lead us back to our discussion we were having previously. So why did Jesus say that a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens would be greater than John the Baptist? Tell us, if you will.
Thought I would expand on this a bit more.

1 Peter 1 [3] " For as much as his divine power has given us freely all the things that concern life and godly devotion , through the accurate knowledge of the one that called us through glory and virtue .

Through these things he has given us the precious and very grand promises , that through these you may become sharers in divine nature."

What promises?

Hebrews 8 [8] " but now Jesus has obtained a more excellent public service , so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly BETTER COVENANT, which has been legally established on BETTER PROMISES "

[7] For if the first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second"

You see John the Baptist was still under the old covenant

The new covenant was not inaugurated until Jesus poured out his BLOOD...these promises we are given now are BETTER PROMISES, then what John was under in the old covenant.

Thats why anyone in the Kingdom of heavens is a greater one then John.

Go back to 2 Peter [5] Yes for this reason by your contributing in RESPONSE all earnest effort, supply to your FAITH virtue , to your virtue knowledge , to your knowledge , self control, to your self control endurance, to your endurance godly devotion........etc

[8] " For if these things exist in you and over flow , they will prevent you from being inactive or unfruitful , regarding the accurate knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ........

for if you keep doing these things you will by no means EVER FAIL

[11] In fact thus there will be richly supplied to you the ENTRANCE into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Notice you don't have to be dead to have the entrance into the everlasting Kingdom supplied to us...but instead we are to be doing the above things , Faith , knowledge virtue , self control, endurance , godly devotion , LOVE. brotherly affection,

A person in sheol can't contibute these things to himself because there is no knowledge in sheol..these things are to be sought now, its part of what " seeking the Kingdom' is all about.

John did not have this understanding and he did not have the cleansing BLOOD of Jesus which is the new covenant

So you can see why one who is a lesser one in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater one then John..who was still operating under the old covenant.

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Since: Aug 12

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#3603 Nov 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Thought I would expand on this a bit more.
1 Peter 1 [3] " For as much as his divine power has given us freely all the things that concern life and godly devotion , through the accurate knowledge of the one that called us through glory and virtue .
Through these things he has given us the precious and very grand promises , that through these you may become sharers in divine nature."
What promises?
Hebrews 8 [8] " but now Jesus has obtained a more excellent public service , so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly BETTER COVENANT, which has been legally established on BETTER PROMISES "
[7] For if the first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second"
You see John the Baptist was still under the old covenant
The new covenant was not inaugurated until Jesus poured out his BLOOD...these promises we are given now are BETTER PROMISES, then what John was under in the old covenant.
Thats why anyone in the Kingdom of heavens is a greater one then John.
Go back to 2 Peter [5] Yes for this reason by your contributing in RESPONSE all earnest effort, supply to your FAITH virtue , to your virtue knowledge , to your knowledge , self control, to your self control endurance, to your endurance godly devotion........etc
[8] " For if these things exist in you and over flow , they will prevent you from being inactive or unfruitful , regarding the accurate knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ........
for if you keep doing these things you will by no means EVER FAIL
[11] In fact thus there will be richly supplied to you the ENTRANCE into the everlasting Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ."
Notice you don't have to be dead to have the entrance into the everlasting Kingdom supplied to us...but instead we are to be doing the above things , Faith , knowledge virtue , self control, endurance , godly devotion , LOVE. brotherly affection,
A person in sheol can't contibute these things to himself because there is no knowledge in sheol..these things are to be sought now, its part of what " seeking the Kingdom' is all about.
John did not have this understanding and he did not have the cleansing BLOOD of Jesus which is the new covenant
So you can see why one who is a lesser one in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater one then John..who was still operating under the old covenant.
You know something, LL, I'm still not following you. Because you say "old covenant," as if in contrast to the "new covenant" in reference to John the Baptist. And I am speaking specifically of that statement as directed towards John the Baptist, who you agreed died before the new covenant was inaugurated. So how is it that a lesser one of the kingdom of the heavens is greater than John the Baptist. As you've agreed, they are covenants, meaning a solemn agreement or oath settled upon between two parties. How do you define the "old covenant"? I think that is integral and vital to our discussion.

Since: Jan 12

United States

#3604 Nov 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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We don't have a problem with that scripture , because if you read further you will see in verse John 1 [18]" No man has seen God at anytime , the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosum with the Fatheris the one that has explained him"
See that would have cleared it up for you, if you kept reading
.
we?.... who is we?, little lamb?
is "we" the jw gov body and their pr reps and co???

anyway,..."no one has seen god" is because "his glory" is too much for you and me,...
so he sent his word and his holy spirit to deal with the situation......... they are him......HIM....YHWH
him...... the creator god, the alpha and the omega,... the first and last and the holy spirit circling the earth the word of god, the father eternal and king of kings
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#3605 Nov 17, 2012
miseracord wrote:
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You know something, LL, I'm still not following you. Because you say "old covenant," as if in contrast to the "new covenant" in reference to John the Baptist. And I am speaking specifically of that statement as directed towards John the Baptist, who you agreed died before the new covenant was inaugurated. So how is it that a lesser one of the kingdom of the heavens is greater than John the Baptist. As you've agreed, they are covenants, meaning a solemn agreement or oath settled upon between two parties. How do you define the "old covenant"? I think that is integral and vital to our discussion.
John the Baptist, was a Jew under the old covenant.,,the Law covenant, that shows Gods righteous requirements.

But they had to have lots of animal sacrifices to cleanse themselves often and from year to year... having a weakness in the flesh to keep Law perfectly.

John was the one that heralded in the Christ , saying

" Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world"

He was killed before Jesus inaugurated the new covenant.

Gods word tells us in Hebrews 9 [8] Thus the Holy Spirit makes it plain that the WAY into the holy place had not been made manifest while the first tent was standing"

That first tent was still standing when John the Baptist started his ministry...The old covenant John was under was the Law covenant, mediated by Moses and transmitted by angels in Sinai

[9] states .......However these things were unable to make a man PERFECT as respects his conscience."

[10]......and were only imposed until the APPOINTED time to set things straight."

John was like Gal 3 [23][explains] However before the FAITH arrived , we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody , looking to the FAITH that was destined to be revealed"

John proclaimed " That the one coming AFTER him ..he was not worthy to tie up his laces."

Because when Jesus offered himself up as a sacrifice, he inaugurated, a new covenant [agreement]which is "legally established on better promises"

Hebrews 8 [13] "In saying a new covenant he has made the former one obsolete....."

If people wanted to worship the true God Jehovah B.C..they had to come into Israel as the Eunuch had to Jerusalem, to worship Jehovah.

But Jesus has inaugurated now a new way of worship .." Neither on this mountain or in Jerusalem, will true worshipers worship the Father..But true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH."

How can that be?

Because now the BLOOD of Christ..

Hebrews 7 [12] For since the Priesthood is changed , there comes a necessity a change also of Law."

Because Jerusalem was center to the Priesthood offering animals for sacrifice..

but now we have a Priest in the manner of Melchizadek, who doesn't use blood of bulls and goats, but enters into the Holy Of holies now with his own BLOOD...

Heb 7 [16] Who has become such not according to law of commandments depending on the flesh , but according to the power of an indestructible LIFE."

So this Priest we now have is the " great shepherd of the sheep, who has been raised up from the dead with the BLOOD of an everlasting covenant"Hebrews 13 [20]

Thats why everyone who exercises faith in Jesus does not perish but has everlasting life..and John was not privvy to that , dying before it was established.

But anyone who is a lesser one in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater then John the Baptist , because in union with Christ we are a "new creation"

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#3606 Nov 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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John the Baptist, was a Jew under the old covenant.,,the Law covenant, that shows Gods righteous requirements.
But they had to have lots of animal sacrifices to cleanse themselves often and from year to year... having a weakness in the flesh to keep Law perfectly.
John was the one that heralded in the Christ , saying
" Behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world"
He was killed before Jesus inaugurated the new covenant.
Gods word tells us in Hebrews 9 [8] Thus the Holy Spirit makes it plain that the WAY into the holy place had not been made manifest while the first tent was standing"
That first tent was still standing when John the Baptist started his ministry...The old covenant John was under was the Law covenant, mediated by Moses and transmitted by angels in Sinai
[9] states .......However these things were unable to make a man PERFECT as respects his conscience."
[10]......and were only imposed until the APPOINTED time to set things straight."
John was like Gal 3 [23][explains] However before the FAITH arrived , we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody , looking to the FAITH that was destined to be revealed"
John proclaimed " That the one coming AFTER him ..he was not worthy to tie up his laces."
Because when Jesus offered himself up as a sacrifice, he inaugurated, a new covenant [agreement]which is "legally established on better promises"
Hebrews 8 [13] "In saying a new covenant he has made the former one obsolete....."
If people wanted to worship the true God Jehovah B.C..they had to come into Israel as the Eunuch had to Jerusalem, to worship Jehovah.
But Jesus has inaugurated now a new way of worship .." Neither on this mountain or in Jerusalem, will true worshipers worship the Father..But true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH."
How can that be?
Because now the BLOOD of Christ..
Hebrews 7 [12] For since the Priesthood is changed , there comes a necessity a change also of Law."
Because Jerusalem was center to the Priesthood offering animals for sacrifice..
but now we have a Priest in the manner of Melchizadek, who doesn't use blood of bulls and goats, but enters into the Holy Of holies now with his own BLOOD...
Heb 7 [16] Who has become such not according to law of commandments depending on the flesh , but according to the power of an indestructible LIFE."
So this Priest we now have is the " great shepherd of the sheep, who has been raised up from the dead with the BLOOD of an everlasting covenant"Hebrews 13 [20]
Thats why everyone who exercises faith in Jesus does not perish but has everlasting life..and John was not privvy to that , dying before it was established.
But anyone who is a lesser one in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater then John the Baptist , because in union with Christ we are a "new creation"
OK, thank you for that answer, little lamb. Now I would like to discuss a couple of points with you, if I might. One is about the "old covenant." You agree that John was killed before Christ inaugurated the new covenant with his disciples. That is true. But so we can clarify what we're talking about, are you saying that the "old covenant" is the Mosaic Law Code (or covenant, as some call it)? I'm not saying I'm right or wrong on this issue, so let's see if we can come to an agreement or common understanding of this.
little lamb

Saint Albans, Australia

#3607 Nov 18, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>OK, thank you for that answer, little lamb. Now I would like to discuss a couple of points with you, if I might. One is about the "old covenant." You agree that John was killed before Christ inaugurated the new covenant with his disciples. That is true. But so we can clarify what we're talking about, are you saying that the "old covenant" is the Mosaic Law Code (or covenant, as some call it)? I'm not saying I'm right or wrong on this issue, so let's see if we can come to an agreement or common understanding of this.
Yes I agree the old covenant was the covenant of Law given to Moses in the wilderness

Hebrews 9 [19] For when every commandment according to the LAW
had been spoken by Moses to ALL THE PEOPLE, he took the blood of young bulls and of the goats and with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled the book itself and all the people , saying " this is the blood of the covenant that God has laid charge upon you....."

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Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#3608 Nov 18, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Yes I agree the old covenant was the covenant of Law given to Moses in the wilderness
Hebrews 9 [19] For when every commandment according to the LAW
had been spoken by Moses to ALL THE PEOPLE, he took the blood of young bulls and of the goats and with water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled the book itself and all the people , saying " this is the blood of the covenant that God has laid charge upon you....."
Yes, of course. This was the blood of the covenant that Jehovah made with the nation of Israel (all the people). Now this leads me to my next question, or point. Let us review what exactly would be the outcome if the people obeyed the Law as spoken by Moses, and what would be if they did not obey that Law. The terms of the Law covenant were that if the Israelites kept the covenant they would be a people for the name of Jehovah, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, with His blessing. I will use the NWT to quote scriptures here. Exodus 19:5,6 - "And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.” And, there were hard consequences if the nation did not obey.(Deuteronomy 28:1-14.) So what does it say at Exodus would happen IF the nation obeyed Jehovah's voice by means of the covenant? It's very interesting and hinges on many other parts of the Bible. Let's center on Ex. 19:5,6 for a moment. What would happen if they obeyed?
little lamb

Australia

#3609 Nov 18, 2012
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, of course. This was the blood of the covenant that Jehovah made with the nation of Israel (all the people). Now this leads me to my next question, or point. Let us review what exactly would be the outcome if the people obeyed the Law as spoken by Moses, and what would be if they did not obey that Law. The terms of the Law covenant were that if the Israelites kept the covenant they would be a people for the name of Jehovah, a kingdom of priests and a holy nation, with His blessing. I will use the NWT to quote scriptures here. Exodus 19:5,6 - "And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.” And, there were hard consequences if the nation did not obey.(Deuteronomy 28:1-14.) So what does it say at Exodus would happen IF the nation obeyed Jehovah's voice by means of the covenant? It's very interesting and hinges on many other parts of the Bible. Let's center on Ex. 19:5,6 for a moment. What would happen if they obeyed?
Yes..I agree , They would become a special property out of all the all other people , if they strictly listened to him and kept covenant.

Jehovah also laid before them blessings and maledictions.

In obeying the Law, there were many blessings , he would bless their food source , he would provide the rain, he would bless their fertility , he would bless them and put them high above every other nation , he would also defeat their enemies

In not obeying the Law he placed maledictions whereby instead of being blessed they would be cursed.

In the song of moses , he forewarned that they would not obey and that the curse would come upon them...He also told them that Jehovah's mercy will never come to an end, and that he would discipline them but he would never completely abandon them..Jesus told then their house was abandoned until they said " blessed is he who comes in the name of Jehovah"

So Jehovah put before them life and death , and urged them to choose life.

I believe we are in agreement on this...

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#3610 Nov 18, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Yes..I agree , They would become a special property out of all the all other people , if they strictly listened to him and kept covenant.
Jehovah also laid before them blessings and maledictions.
In obeying the Law, there were many blessings , he would bless their food source , he would provide the rain, he would bless their fertility , he would bless them and put them high above every other nation , he would also defeat their enemies
In not obeying the Law he placed maledictions whereby instead of being blessed they would be cursed.
In the song of moses , he forewarned that they would not obey and that the curse would come upon them...He also told them that Jehovah's mercy will never come to an end, and that he would discipline them but he would never completely abandon them..Jesus told then their house was abandoned until they said " blessed is he who comes in the name of Jehovah"
So Jehovah put before them life and death , and urged them to choose life.
I believe we are in agreement on this...
OK, very good. Me, too. Where we need correction, I look forward to Jehovah's correction if necessary. Now so the Mosaic law code on which we can agree was the "old covenant," as opposed to the "new covenant." Before we go any further, because I am studying this, too, the word covenant means: An agreement between two or more persons to do or refrain from doing some act; a compact; a contract. Under the Law Covenant, it was a bilateral covenant, meaning both sides had a role to carry out. If the Israelites obeyed the Law, God would bless them accordingly. If they did not, He would curse them. We've agreed there. And the national covenant also included the proviso that if they obeyed, they would be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation to him. Exodus 19:5,6 - And now if YOU will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then YOU will certainly become my special property out of all [other] peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And YOU yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you are to say to the sons of Israel.” I think in order to more fully understand this, though, we need to go back to the covenant God made with Abraham, in which he said he would bless the whole earth due to Abraham's faith. This was not the same covenant that God made with Israel by means of Moses. Remember that after testing Abraham's faith, Jehovah gave a blessing to Abraham by means of a promise, in extension of the pronouncement made at Genesis 3:15, in which Jehovah said to the serpent in the Garden of Eden, "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” So the promise later given to Abraham showed that the seed of deliverance would appear on earth as a descendant of Abraham. Genesis 22:15-18. "And Jehovah’s angel proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens and to say:“‘By myself I do swear,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,‘that by reason of the fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.’”
I'll stop there for now because we've covered quite a bit of material in reference to old and new covenant, although obviously far from complete. Because the Abrahamic covenant was involved with the Mosaic Covenant, which was also involved with the Messiah. I have enjoyed our conversation so far and will wait for your reply.
little lamb

Saint Albans, Australia

#3611 Nov 18, 2012
miseracord wrote:
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OK, very good. Me, too - I think in order to more fully understand this, though, we need to go back to the covenant God made with Abraham, in which he said he would bless the whole earth due to Abraham's faith. This was not the same covenant that God made with Israel by means of Moses. Remember that after testing Abraham's faith, Jehovah gave a blessing to Abraham by means of a promise, in extension of the pronouncement made at Genesis 3:15, in which Jehovah said to the serpent in the Garden of Eden, "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” So the promise later given to Abraham showed that the seed of deliverance would appear on earth as a descendant of Abraham. Genesis 22:15-18. "And Jehovah’s angel proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens and to say:“‘By myself I do swear,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,‘that by reason of the fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.’”
I'll stop there for now because we've covered quite a bit of material in reference to old and new covenant, although obviously far from complete. Because the Abrahamic covenant was involved with the Mosaic Covenant, which was also involved with the Messiah. I have enjoyed our conversation so far and will wait for your reply.
I agree that Jehovah made a PROMISE to Abraham,

" by reason of the fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless
themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice."

but I believe we can go back further where God told Satan because you have done this thing , he would put enmity between his seed and the womans 'seed'

He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel"

So right through scripture we see them bearing witness to the SEED..which SEED God tells us in

Galatians 3 [16]

" Now the promises were spoken to Abraham , and to his SEED , it does not say 'and to his "seeds" as in the case of MANY such but in the case of ONE , who is Christ."

So the seed is identified in Galatians as Jesus Christ..do you agree with this?

" and by means of your SEED all the nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves"

so by means of Jesus Christ all the nations will bless themselves..do you believe this?

And Galatians goes further 3 [7] Surely you know that those who ADHERE TO FAITH are sons of Abraham"

[9] Consequently those who ADHERE TO FAITH are being blessed WITH ABRAHAM"

Do you believe this blessing is for us who ADHERE TO FAITH? we are being blessed with Abraham..

Are we still agreeing??

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#3612 Nov 18, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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I agree that Jehovah made a PROMISE to Abraham,
" by reason of the fact that you have done this thing and you have not withheld your son, your only one, I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless
themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice."
but I believe we can go back further where God told Satan because you have done this thing , he would put enmity between his seed and the womans 'seed'
He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel"
So right through scripture we see them bearing witness to the SEED..which SEED God tells us in
Galatians 3 [16]
" Now the promises were spoken to Abraham , and to his SEED , it does not say 'and to his "seeds" as in the case of MANY such but in the case of ONE , who is Christ."
So the seed is identified in Galatians as Jesus Christ..do you agree with this?
" and by means of your SEED all the nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves"
so by means of Jesus Christ all the nations will bless themselves..do you believe this?
And Galatians goes further 3 [7] Surely you know that those who ADHERE TO FAITH are sons of Abraham"
[9] Consequently those who ADHERE TO FAITH are being blessed WITH ABRAHAM"
Do you believe this blessing is for us who ADHERE TO FAITH? we are being blessed with Abraham..
Are we still agreeing??
I think so, but I will go over your post more closely tomorrow -- it's getting late here, and my eyelids are closing.:-) I'll be busy a lot during the day, but I look forward to continuing our discussion with God's help.
little lamb

Saint Albans, Australia

#3613 Nov 19, 2012
miseracord wrote:
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I think so, but I will go over your post more closely tomorrow -- it's getting late here, and my eyelids are closing.:-) I'll be busy a lot during the day, but I look forward to continuing our discussion with God's help.
Its interesting you have stated " You think so" about believing the scriptures in Galatians 3.

I don't have any hesitation I believe them.

So its interesting and I look forward to you comment...and hope you can be more definite about your believing Gods word.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#3614 Nov 19, 2012
Litte lamb...

Will you tell us all whether the Jews had Jesus physical blood at their hands or not... or was it symbolic...?

Then was Jesus physical blood ever shedded before he died... since the soldiers put the lance in his chest after he was dead...?

Finally has physical blood to be shedded for being declared bloodguilty in the eyes of God...?

Have a murder which kill the victim with poison shedded the victims physical blood...?

If your answer will be no... how does it then come that a murder which get use of poison will be declared bloodguilty in Gods eys... sine no physical blood has been shedded...?

Will it be possible for you to se that the physical blood itself isn't the issue... but only a metaphor for life and sustaining life is more holy and precious for God and Jesus Christ than a metaphor for life... even than sacrifices... Jeremiah 7:31,32.
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#3615 Nov 19, 2012
Veritas 69 wrote:
Litte lamb...
Will you tell us all whether the Jews had Jesus physical blood at their hands or not... or was it symbolic...?
Then was Jesus physical blood ever shedded before he died... since the soldiers put the lance in his chest after he was dead...?
Finally has physical blood to be shedded for being declared bloodguilty in the eyes of God...?
Have a murder which kill the victim with poison shedded the victims physical blood...?
If your answer will be no... how does it then come that a murder which get use of poison will be declared bloodguilty in Gods eys... sine no physical blood has been shedded...?
Will it be possible for you to se that the physical blood itself isn't the issue... but only a metaphor for life and sustaining life is more holy and precious for God and Jesus Christ than a metaphor for life... even than sacrifices... Jeremiah 7:31,32.
I agree that blood is the soul- the life of a person

If you take a person life, by any means you have killed them , and their soul has now gone to sleep

Its all connected Veritas..because to kill a person is to put a living soul to sleep.

Then its up to God whether that "soul' will be resurrected or thrown into Gehenna ..

But the soul that put another soul to sleep, through murder , is now blood,[soul] guilty before God...because the soul [blood] of every person belongs to God, and he hasn't given us authority to eat the soul of any living creature.
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#3616 Nov 19, 2012
We have permission to eat the BODY..but we don't have permission to eat the soul of any animal

and we are told to abstain from the [soul] blood..

Once you know the soul - is the blood

You can separate the fact that every living breathing thing is a body soul and spirit.

Even in killing a person, you can't kill the soul...you can kill the body, but that soul is in Gods hands because it has always belonged to him.

We have no permission to use the soul of another in transfusions or use their soul to make blood products..You are interfering with the soul which is unique to every individual and messing around with transfusing part of the soul into another..

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#3617 Nov 19, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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I agree that blood is the soul- the life of a person
If you take a person life, by any means you have killed them , and their soul has now gone to sleep
Its all connected Veritas..because to kill a person is to put a living soul to sleep.
Then its up to God whether that "soul' will be resurrected or thrown into Gehenna ..
But the soul that put another soul to sleep, through murder , is now blood,[soul] guilty before God...because the soul [blood] of every person belongs to God, and he hasn't given us authority to eat the soul of any living creature.
Little Lamb...

So when a life has been taken, the blood represent the life, as a metaphor for life... Right.

What does the blood then represent when no life has been taken... stil a life... and will the blood then be more sacred than a life...?

Does a person not owns the right to risk or give his or hers life, for a friend... in acordance to Jesus statement in John 15:13...?

13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
little lamb

Mentone, Australia

#3618 Nov 19, 2012
Veritas 69 wrote:
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Little Lamb...
So when a life has been taken, the blood represent the life, as a metaphor for life... Right.
What does the blood then represent when no life has been taken... stil a life... and will the blood then be more sacred than a life...?
Does a person not owns the right to risk or give his or hers life, for a friend... in acordance to Jesus statement in John 15:13...?
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
True Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Big difference however in laying down ones life , and keeping ones life whilst infusing another with part of his soul, that the other man has no legal right to take .

No a person does not have the right to infuse another person with part of his soul..the restriction is from God

a person can LAY down his life [soul] for anther, by being killed for them ..but the ones who kill him are blood guilty, but he sacrificed his soul unto death for another..still his soul is in Gods hands and it not in the hands of men, it depends on who you Veritas want to commit your soul to ..men or God who has authority to resurrect that soul, or completely destroy it.

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#3619 Nov 19, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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True Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Big difference however in laying down ones life , and keeping ones life whilst infusing another with part of his soul, that the other man has no legal right to take .
No a person does not have the right to infuse another person with part of his soul..the restriction is from God
a person can LAY down his life [soul] for anther, by being killed for them ..but the ones who kill him are blood guilty, but he sacrificed his soul unto death for another..still his soul is in Gods hands and it not in the hands of men, it depends on who you Veritas want to commit your soul to ..men or God who has authority to resurrect that soul, or completely destroy it.
Little Lamb...

So Jesus words was not true... that a person owns the right to give a part of his or hers life to save a friends life... where the donors life hasn't been lost...:HUH:

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Sheffield, UK

#3620 Nov 19, 2012
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God
Stanley Walker wrote:
Do you believe all 'translations' are inspired of God little lamb?
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God
Stanley Walker wrote:
Do you believe all 'translations' are inspired of God little lamb?
A simple 'Yes' or 'No' would be cooperative, helpful and honest.
little lamb wrote:
All scripture is inspired of God
Do you believe the Watchtower's New World Translation is inspired of God?

Why do you quote from it so often?

Do you believe all 'translations' are inspired of God little lamb?
sozo

Curtin, Australia

#3621 Nov 19, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Once you know the soul - is the blood
You can separate the fact that every living breathing thing is a body soul and spirit.
Find me a scripture that says either "the soul is the blood" or "all living things have a body, soul and spirit" please.

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