AlanF and Evolution
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abrother

United States

#1 Jun 27, 2012
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around. Down the line AlanF has to agree that he read books and look at webs sites that supports evolution and then he comes to his personal conclusion on this.

Heck, he can't go to a lab and make something out of nothing or change an ape into a man.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#2 Jun 27, 2012
abrother wrote:
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around. Down the line AlanF has to agree that he read books and look at webs sites that supports evolution and then he comes to his personal conclusion on this.
Heck, he can't go to a lab and make something out of nothing or change an ape into a man.
and you come on here and read apostate posts, and you post back, and of course you have gone to apostate web sites to read what they have posted how else would you know what they are saying is untrue about your WT.
abrother

United States

#3 Jun 27, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>and you come on here and read apostate posts, and you post back, and of course you have gone to apostate web sites to read what they have posted how else would you know what they are saying is untrue about your WT.
If you don't like what I posted, then it is your problem.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#4 Jun 27, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>and you come on here and read apostate posts, and you post back, and of course you have gone to apostate web sites to read what they have posted how else would you know what they are saying is untrue about your WT.
He doesn't talk to apostates. He just reads their forums and posts and websites and researches what they write and comments on what they write. That's all!
red blood relative

United States

#5 Jun 27, 2012
ok, body of christ, the gentiles and the jews that make up the body who are not judged yet but still alive........ please come here........ lets discuss evolution..

don't you know that god cloned eve from adam?
yup.... it was a clone job.

and called ones, don't you know that god bred all the creation by means of isolated gene pools?

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#6 Jun 27, 2012
abrother wrote:
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If you don't like what I posted, then it is your problem.
did you try to help him from the scriptures and give a witness or do you just like to point and say look ha ha ha what AF has said! does it make you feel so much more superior.

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#7 Jun 28, 2012
abrother wrote:
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around. Down the line AlanF has to agree that he read books and look at webs sites that supports evolution and then he comes to his personal conclusion on this.
Heck, he can't go to a lab and make something out of nothing or change an ape into a man.
It is unnecessary to 'go to a lab' and change 'an ape into a man.'

The fossil record is very clear. There are other, non-human species that have existed that show a progression from ape to bipedal human-like creatures such as Neanderthals and Homo Erectus. Beyond that, there is also genetic evidence.

Let's look at the broad strokes. The first biblical creation account claims that vegetation was created first, followed by ocean dwellers and birds , followed by land animals, and lastly man.

However, the fossil record clearly shows that many different land creatures appeared at various times. Similarly, sea creatures and birds appeared over various eras. The fossil record clearly shows that the earliest creatures were very simple creatures, and became more complex over time.

This is not what the bible describes.
red blood relative

United States

#8 Jun 28, 2012
Reader519 wrote:
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It is unnecessary to 'go to a lab' and change 'an ape into a man.'
The fossil record is very clear. There are other, non-human species that have existed that show a progression from ape to bipedal human-like creatures such as Neanderthals and Homo Erectus. Beyond that, there is also genetic evidence.
Let's look at the broad strokes. The first biblical creation account claims that vegetation was created first, followed by ocean dwellers and birds , followed by land animals, and lastly man.
However, the fossil record clearly shows that many different land creatures appeared at various times. Similarly, sea creatures and birds appeared over various eras. The fossil record clearly shows that the earliest creatures were very simple creatures, and became more complex over time.
This is not what the bible describes.
i know most of my fellow believers in christ are having a problem with evolution, because they think it takes the credit away from the creator of the universe.
it doesn't though it gives him glory, cause that's how he did it...... all creation is a testimony to the creator.

..... god introduced life to this planet and then worked with it by means of isolated gene pools,.......the fossil records available shows the progression of many of the species that god developed, each in their time frame, all while the rest of creation was on automatic pilot-....survial of the fittest.

god bred all the animals from the original dust that he created life in, including the upright standing almost hairless apes.
god selected adam from among them, and put him in the garden of eden, and blew the spirit of awareness, free-will- everlasting life, into adam..... then he later cloned eve from adam.

there was still a colony of adam's relatives alive before the flood, that is where cain got his wifes from and became king over them..... they looked just like him, but lacked the spirit of free-will...he easily dominated them....... all of cains children, though, had free-will.

its about time christians recognize that evolution is the mechanism that brings about changes in a species.... it goes on and on, and the master worker can speed it up and contol the outcome.

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#9 Jun 28, 2012
abrother wrote:
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around. Down the line AlanF has to agree that he read books and look at webs sites that supports evolution and then he comes to his personal conclusion on this.
Heck, he can't go to a lab and make something out of nothing or change an ape into a man.
Lay off Alan. He's in hospital at the moment after a heart attack.

Obviously his heart gene still has some further evolving to do.
abrother

United States

#10 Jun 29, 2012
Reader519 wrote:
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It is unnecessary to 'go to a lab' and change 'an ape into a man.'
The fossil record is very clear. There are other, non-human species that have existed that show a progression from ape to bipedal human-like creatures such as Neanderthals and Homo Erectus. Beyond that, there is also genetic evidence.
Let's look at the broad strokes. The first biblical creation account claims that vegetation was created first, followed by ocean dwellers and birds , followed by land animals, and lastly man.
However, the fossil record clearly shows that many different land creatures appeared at various times. Similarly, sea creatures and birds appeared over various eras. The fossil record clearly shows that the earliest creatures were very simple creatures, and became more complex over time.
This is not what the bible describes.
Yes, the fossils records are clear. It show the creatures as it kind. Point Blank!! The fossils show an ape is ape and a man is a man.
abrother

United States

#11 Jun 29, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
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Lay off Alan. He's in hospital at the moment after a heart attack.
Obviously his heart gene still has some further evolving to do.
Maybe he is regressing to an ape.
FutureMan

Brisbane, Australia

#12 Jun 29, 2012
abrother wrote:
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around. Down the line AlanF has to agree that he read books and look at webs sites that supports evolution and then he comes to his personal conclusion on this.
Heck, he can't go to a lab and make something out of nothing or change an ape into a man.
There is two types of evolution.

One that is not by design as supported by those who support the Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest and then later on scientists have taken it up and claiming that we are all here by accident and evolving.

The other one is evolution by design.
In other words things are programmed to evolve and adapt and yes even produce new species.

This one actually fits the current model that we now see in both geological records and fossils and bones that have being found.

Even now humans are making computer programs that have been programmed to learn and evolve.

Is this not possible with God to create things in this fashion, what do you think?

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

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#13 Jun 29, 2012
abrother wrote:
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Yes, the fossils records are clear. It show the creatures as it kind. Point Blank!! The fossils show an ape is ape and a man is a man.
Explain exactly how the fossils do that.

The fossil record shows that species go extinct (nearly 99% of them in fact) and that they are replaced with similar, yet different, animals that live in the same habitat. What the fossil record shows is constant change.

That is not "according to its kind" at all.

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

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#14 Jun 29, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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i know most of my fellow believers in christ are having a problem with evolution, because they think it takes the credit away from the creator of the universe.
it doesn't though it gives him glory, cause that's how he did it...... all creation is a testimony to the creator.
..... god introduced life to this planet and then worked with it by means of isolated gene pools,.......the fossil records available shows the progression of many of the species that god developed, each in their time frame, all while the rest of creation was on automatic pilot-....survial of the fittest.
god bred all the animals from the original dust that he created life in, including the upright standing almost hairless apes.
god selected adam from among them, and put him in the garden of eden, and blew the spirit of awareness, free-will- everlasting life, into adam..... then he later cloned eve from adam.
there was still a colony of adam's relatives alive before the flood, that is where cain got his wifes from and became king over them..... they looked just like him, but lacked the spirit of free-will...he easily dominated them....... all of cains children, though, had free-will.
its about time christians recognize that evolution is the mechanism that brings about changes in a species.... it goes on and on, and the master worker can speed it up and contol the outcome.
Although I disagree with your premise that god guided evolution, neither of us can really provide evidence one way or the other.

I totally agree that people, regardless of faith, need to accept the veracity of evolution. It is the basis of all life science as we know it.

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#15 Jun 29, 2012
abrother wrote:
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Maybe he is regressing to an ape.
How does that make any sense?

Are you claiming that heart attacks are common among the lesser apes?

Are you claiming that genetics can take over in mid-life and push an organism to ancient forms?

Do you think that a mature human can mutate into an ape?

Let me simplify the question a little: Do you think?

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#16 Jun 29, 2012
abrother wrote:
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Maybe he is regressing to an ape.
Personal attacks say more about you than your beliefs ever will.
red blood relative

United States

#17 Jun 29, 2012
Reader519 wrote:
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Explain exactly how the fossils do that.
The fossil record shows that species go extinct (nearly 99% of them in fact) and that they are replaced with similar, yet different, animals that live in the same habitat. What the fossil record shows is constant change.
That is not "according to its kind" at all.
i disagree that it is not according to its kind, it is exactly according to its kind.

isolated gene pools can only mate with the same kind and produce offspring according to that gene pool according to their seed......it has nothing to do with stopping it from slowly making changes to a whole new gene pool-creature.

god bred a whole slew of creatures to get the ball rolling, and what he didn't focus on also kept evolving and always will.

christians shouldn't be in the dark ages behind scientific facts..... the earth is round and circles the sun.
christians.... you have to keep up with the truth as it is more intricatly revealed......the whole creation started with a simple life form made from the dust by god, and it kept evolving...... god guided some of it to produce what he wanted for his home for mankind, as well as mankind himself...... he made adam from the dust the same way he made all the rest of the creatures..... he bred them in isolated gene pools and guided their changes.

“A voice of reason”

Since: Aug 09

Crooklyn

#18 Jun 29, 2012
abrother wrote:
I see AlanF is craping his evolution theory all around.
Can you please translate this into English? Thanks in advance.

“Is that the best you can do?”

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#19 Jun 29, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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i disagree that it is not according to its kind, it is exactly according to its kind.
isolated gene pools can only mate with the same kind and produce offspring according to that gene pool according to their seed......it has nothing to do with stopping it from slowly making changes to a whole new gene pool-creature.
god bred a whole slew of creatures to get the ball rolling, and what he didn't focus on also kept evolving and always will.
christians shouldn't be in the dark ages behind scientific facts..... the earth is round and circles the sun.
christians.... you have to keep up with the truth as it is more intricatly revealed......the whole creation started with a simple life form made from the dust by god, and it kept evolving...... god guided some of it to produce what he wanted for his home for mankind, as well as mankind himself...... he made adam from the dust the same way he made all the rest of the creatures..... he bred them in isolated gene pools and guided their changes.
Well, the issue at hand is that "kind" is not a scientific word, and as such, has an ambiguous definition.

However, scientifically, there is no room for a supernatural explanation.

However, I am glad that you are among the Christians who have left the dark ages.
red blood relative

United States

#20 Jun 29, 2012
Reader519 wrote:
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Well, the issue at hand is that "kind" is not a scientific word, and as such, has an ambiguous definition.
However, scientifically, there is no room for a supernatural explanation.
However, I am glad that you are among the Christians who have left the dark ages.
yes there is room for a supernatural explanation.... the whole creation testifies to that scientific fact.

all the various ingredients to form this universe and life all came together out of no-where,... all in the correct order, and with the correct size and timing.... and BANG.... here it is.

no problem if you don't believe the truth right now though.... you will be given a fair trial later, in hell-paradise, after jesus returns and the truth is manifest ..... then it will be all about sorting out those who don't love agappie love...... the free willed creatures who love selfishness and lies will come to their own doom.

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