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#14633 Apr 3, 2013
FH Chandler wrote:
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If we bastardize the actual meaning of the term, "apostate," which means nothing more than one who has rejected a belief/system they formerly accepted and define it as one who has specifically rejected the worship of the god of the bible, then ALL so-called "christians" ARE apostates since there is no "christian" sect and no individual "christian" whorshiper that can rightfully refer to itself as a "christian" and a "follower of christ." The two terms are not equal.
You and people like you are acolytes of offshoots of the death cult of the ancient Roman state - who derided the true followers of christ of old as, "christiano" and who later adopted the term, "Christian" along with their trinity lie in rebranding their polytheistic sect - not of the god of scripture.
"Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

Since: Nov 09

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#14634 Apr 3, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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You won't find the word organization in any Toyota manual, or in a Sears catalogue....DON'T need a scripture..........it's the way of life........organization is in every part of life.......without organization there would be chaos........HOG.
There was no organization in Jesus day, was there chaos?

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#14635 Apr 3, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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There was no organization in Jesus day, was there chaos?
You STILL are not reading your Bible. Jesus began the organization of the Christian congregation, and it continues today with Jehovah's Witnesses.

(Matthew 10:1-7)

10&#8194;So he summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, in order to expel these and to cure every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity. 2 The names of the twelve apostles are these: First, Simon, the one called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the [son] of Zeb&#8242;e&#8231;dee and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bar&#8231;thol&#8242;o &#8231;mew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the [son] of Al&#8231;phae&#8242;us , and Thad&#8231;dae&#8242;u s; 4 Simon the Ca&#8231;na&#8231;nae &#8242;an, and Judas Is&#8231;car&#8242;i &#8231;ot, who later betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders:“Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa&#8231;mar&#8242;i &#8231;tan city; 6 but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As YOU go, preach, saying,‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’

(Luke 10:1) 10&#8194;After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come.

Since: Mar 13

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#14636 Apr 3, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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You STILL are not reading your Bible. Jesus began the organization of the Christian congregation, and it continues today with Jehovah's Witnesses.
(Matthew 10:1-7)
10&#8194;So he summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, in order to expel these and to cure every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity. 2 The names of the twelve apostles are these: First, Simon, the one called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the [son] of Zeb&#8242;e&#8231;dee and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bar&#8231;thol&#8242;o &#8231;mew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the [son] of Al&#8231;phae&#8242;us , and Thad&#8231;dae&#8242;u s; 4 Simon the Ca&#8231;na&#8231;nae &#8242;an, and Judas Is&#8231;car&#8242;i &#8231;ot, who later betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, giving them these orders:“Do not go off into the road of the nations, and do not enter into a Sa&#8231;mar&#8242;i &#8231;tan city; 6 but, instead, go continually to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 As YOU go, preach, saying,‘The kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.’
(Luke 10:1) 10&#8194;After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come.
Impressive cut and paste, but the truth has eluded you.

Scripture does not support your cut and paste.

When Jesus arrived, the priesthood was still God's representative. The Jews were considered to be God's Nation until the the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.

However Jesus and his disciples stood up against that organisation and publicly condemned the Priests, in effect setting up a second rival organization to the one still representing God.

Here's the kicker for you who follow the false doctrines of Jehovah's witnesses:

While this second group was following Jesus, the Bible shows that there were individuals UNATTACHED to Jesus followers whose worship was also considered acceptable.

A SCARY THOUGHT FOR THOSE INDOCTRINATED IN BELIEVING THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN.

"John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons by the use of your name and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us."

But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name that will quickly be able to revile me; for he that is not against us is for us. For whoever gives YOU a cup of water to drink on the ground that YOU belong to Christ, I truly tell YOU, he will by no means lose his reward. But whoever stumbles one of these little ones that believe, it would be finer for him if a millstone such as is turned by an ass were put around his neck and he were actually pitched into the sea." Mark 9:38-42

IT'S ALL ABOUT CHRIST, NOT A FALSE RELIGION WHICH PROMOTES FALSE DOCTRINES TO PEOPLE WHO ARE TOO GULLIBLE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

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#14637 Apr 3, 2013
IBlow Joe wrote:
[T]he Bible shows that there were individuals UNATTACHED to Jesus followers whose worship was also considered acceptable..."John said to him: "Teacher, we saw a certain man expelling demons [by the use of your name] and we tried to prevent him, because he was not accompanying us."
[Emphasis added]

The individual to whom the scripture refers was, in fact, a follower of jesus - as evidenced by the fact that he was expelling demons in the name of christ which, were he not a believer, would have been impossible.

That he wasn't literally "following" jesus at the time, i.e., wasn't part of that specific group of people that was with jesus in his travels, doesn't mean that he wasn't a follower, i.e., a believer. Every person who heard the message and became a believer didn't literally follow jesus wherever he went.

Your argument would have more credibility if the individual had been successfully expelling demons in the name of Jeff and jesus were to have referred to the worship of Jeff as acceptable.

He didn't.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#14638 Apr 3, 2013
Iblow Joe wrote:
But Jesus said: "Do not try to prevent him, for there is [no one that will do a powerful work on the basis of my name] that will quickly be able to revile me; for he that is not against us is for us.
[Emphasis added]

Additionally, this scripture presents a problem in light of Matthew 7:21-23:

From: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
Matthew Chapter 7 verses 21 through 23 wrote:
Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but [only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven]. Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly,‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
[Emphasis added]

You'll notice that ONLY the one who does the will of the father in heaven will enter into the kingdom. MANY will proclaim that they have performed "powerful works" like driving out demons and performing miracles in the name of jesus only to be dubbed, "Evildoers" by him. Clearly performing miracles and driving out demons isn't, in and of itself, doing the will of the father in heaven.

Since: Feb 13

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#14639 Apr 3, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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There was no organization in Jesus day, was there chaos?
HOG...THERE WAS ORGANIZATION...in Jerusalem...the Governing Body decided on the circumcision issue........HOG.

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#14640 Apr 4, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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HOG...THERE WAS ORGANIZATION...in Jerusalem...the Governing Body decided on the circumcision issue........HOG.
Why do you call me a HOG? Is there a purpose to your words? But once again I thank you for the words I add daily to the letter that I am gathering.

I have a website I would like for you to read, I know that you more than likely will not read this, but if you did it could open your eyes to the organization. In reading this, if you do, you will find that they word Dominion is used, that word means, According to the dictionary 'supreme authority' and
'absolute ownership,' supreme authority – ABSOLUTE OWNERSHIP!
This is the claim to be the one and only organization of God with absolute "ownership," supreme authority over other Christians!

There is one point I want to make before you read the article, if you do, the book, The Finished mystery is available now to be read even online.

http://archive.org/stream/TheFinishedMystery/...

The article does explain a lot about the organization, and how it began. As I said, it is your choice whether to read it or not.

Since: Mar 13

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#14641 Apr 4, 2013
FH Chandler wrote:
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[Emphasis added]
The individual to whom the scripture refers was, in fact, a follower of jesus - as evidenced by the fact that he was expelling demons in the name of christ which, were he not a believer, would have been impossible.
That he wasn't literally "following" jesus at the time, i.e., wasn't part of that specific group of people that was with jesus in his travels, doesn't mean that he wasn't a follower, i.e., a believer. Every person who heard the message and became a believer didn't literally follow jesus wherever he went.
Your argument would have more credibility if the individual had been successfully expelling demons in the name of Jeff and jesus were to have referred to the worship of Jeff as acceptable.
He didn't.
I can tell you are not too bright.

Just open your Bible and show me chapter and verse where "organization" is mentioned.

After all, if an organization is required for salvation, the Bible wouldn't neglect to mention it.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14642 Apr 5, 2013
FH Chandler wrote:
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[Emphasis added]
Additionally, this scripture presents a problem in light of Matthew 7:21-23:
From: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
<quoted text>
[Emphasis added]
You'll notice that ONLY the one who does the will of the father in heaven will enter into the kingdom. MANY will proclaim that they have performed "powerful works" like driving out demons and performing miracles in the name of jesus only to be dubbed, "Evildoers" by him. Clearly performing miracles and driving out demons isn't, in and of itself, doing the will of the father in heaven.
And you are no longer a JW for what reason again?
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14643 Apr 5, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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HOG...THERE WAS ORGANIZATION...in Jerusalem...the Governing Body decided on the circumcision issue........HOG.
There was no Governing Body as such. There were Apostles and older men that lived there that discussed the issue.
But it doesn't make them the "Governing Body" and therree seems to have been more of them for way less people that todays Governing Body that is over JW's...... NOT Christians.
Only the fake man made self appointed WTorg can come up with such a ridiculous notion.
But they are fairly adept at twisting scripture and even changing words in the bible to support their whacky ideas.
For instance, insertng the word Jehovah into the Greek scritures.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14644 Apr 5, 2013
FH Chandler wrote:
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If we bastardize the actual meaning of the term, "apostate," which means nothing more than one who has rejected a belief/system they formerly accepted and define it as one who has specifically rejected the worship of the god of the bible, then ALL so-called "christians" ARE apostates since there is no "christian" sect and no individual "christian" whorshiper that can rightfully refer to itself as a "christian" and a "follower of christ." The two terms are not equal.
You and people like you are acolytes of offshoots of the death cult of the ancient Roman state - who derided the true followers of christ of old as, "christiano" and who later adopted the term, "Christian" along with their trinity lie in rebranding their polytheistic sect - not of the god of scripture.
And you? You are the same peron that is DF'd and remains so right?
You sre the one that goes to other sites on Topix and doesn;t seem to even beleive in God most of the time. Yet here you are defending the indefensable.
You are an apostate. So what is it exactly you want to say?
If you are pro JW then why are you not bending over to become approved once again?

Since: Feb 13

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#14645 Apr 5, 2013
Pam wrote:
<quoted text>There was no Governing Body as such. There were Apostles and older men that lived there that discussed the issue.
But it doesn't make them the "Governing Body" and therree seems to have been more of them for way less people that todays Governing Body that is over JW's...... NOT Christians.
Only the fake man made self appointed WTorg can come up with such a ridiculous notion.
But they are fairly adept at twisting scripture and even changing words in the bible to support their whacky ideas.
For instance, insertng the word Jehovah into the Greek scritures.
You are wrong and a hog.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14646 Apr 5, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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You are wrong and a hog.
Prove it.
I will do the same for you.
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14647 Apr 6, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/puerto-rico/...

This is a person that represents the love of JW's online. Please, let's all bow our heads and pray that the JW's and their followers NEVER end up like this guy!
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#14648 Apr 6, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/puerto-rico/...
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/puerto-rico/...

What a fine JW you will make! Well, the topix kind of JW anyway....LOL!
Not a real JW.

Since: Feb 13

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#14649 Apr 6, 2013
Pam wrote:
<quoted text>Prove it.
I will do the same for you.
Blow me.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#14650 Apr 7, 2013
Crystal Chanda Cassadine wrote:
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Reading your reply, it looks like it came straight from an apostate site. He had a point, you are the boss of your life. People will either choose the truth or deny it.
Jehovah and Christ Jesus = Life
Satan and this world system = Death
First off, that did NOT come from any apostate sight... the definition of 'apostate' is a person who forsakes his religion, cause, party, etc. I have never forsake or turned against my God and my Savior nor my beliefs about them. You think I am an apostate because I don't believe as you do about the core nature of God and Christ and the HS... among other things. You think you right because the WT teaches you this way, I think I am wright because of bible study, prayer and listening to what the HS puts upon my heart about the HS... They are are in control of my life. I give my daily struggles and needs to them and I give them praise, honor and glory for the success's and blessings which I have... So no, one should not be in control of their own life, nor should any church or organization. Churches and organizations are 'earthly' organizations and are meant to guide and shepherd us, not control us.

Secondly, I do know that YHWH and Christ Jesus = Life... where you got that I don't believe that is beyond me...??

If one is a true Christian, and a true follower of God and Christ, then they should allow God, Christ and the HS to be the boss of their life.

Since: Nov 11

Edwardsville, IL

#14651 Apr 7, 2013
Messanger wrote:
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Toyota is an organization, as sears......government is organized to govern.......we are organized to accomplish activities........GMC is an organization......ETC,..ETC... ETC....Organization is found in every sector and part of life...Without it there would be CHAOS.
Do you honestly think that non-JW organizations are not organized? The denomination which I belong to is highly organized. We have shepherds (pastors) district overseers, elders, a secretary, a treasurer, stewards etc... Each person has a responsibility within the denomination or church as a whole (depending if your position is at the district or individual church level). So do you believe that the WTS is the only religion which is organized under the way in which the bible tells us on how and who to be accountable spiritually too? All of the 'title's in the bible are done for the purpose of being accountable and support and guidance in your walk with Christ... No one is to control anyone, only guide, sheperd etc...

Since: Feb 13

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#14652 Apr 7, 2013
beckyss wrote:
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Do you honestly think that non-JW organizations are not organized? The denomination which I belong to is highly organized. We have shepherds (pastors) district overseers, elders, a secretary, a treasurer, stewards etc... Each person has a responsibility within the denomination or church as a whole (depending if your position is at the district or individual church level). So do you believe that the WTS is the only religion which is organized under the way in which the bible tells us on how and who to be accountable spiritually too? All of the 'title's in the bible are done for the purpose of being accountable and support and guidance in your walk with Christ... No one is to control anyone, only guide, sheperd etc...
We are the only true religion....The only ones who preach Acts 20:20..door to door regularly..We use Gods name and KINGDOM GOVERNMENT making it world famous and we do not get involved in the politics and wars of this world...we certainly don't control people.....we force no one to do anything, all our work is voluntary......Your religion is up to it's neck in the politics of this wicked world.

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